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[Nikitas]

"Do those documents contain TC communities signature? we didnt agree to them so they are not binding on our behalf."

So the assumption is that the TC federal region will NOT be part of the EU? Is this what you are saying? Becoming a member of the EU means you accept its legal order, otherwise you do not get in. So which is it, in or out? Or is it going to be another one of those "TCs are a special case" situations where all rules are upset to satisfy this special status?

[Viewpoint]

Erdogan letter to EU 26

TURKISH Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has sent a letter to 26 EU leaders stating that the Annan plan is the basis for future negotiations for the solution of the Cyprus problem.
Cyprus did not get one.

Erdogan’s Greek counterpart Costas Karamanlis, responding to the development yesterday, said the Annan plan had been rejected by the overwhelming majority of Greek Cypriots and no longer constituted a basis for negotiations.

The Greek Prime Minister referred to a recent statement made by Erdogan during Karamanlis’ visit in Ankara, in which he said that the Annan plan was not a basis for discussion.

“I want to reiterate that Turkey’s EU course depends on certain criteria and preconditions which have been expressed with clarity in EU decisions,” he concluded.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008

Erdogan, what a prat, he's causing trouble even before the talks start. He wants to be involved in the forthcoming negotiations but can't even show a little goodwill towards the ROC by sending it a copy. The talks are doomed before they start, but I hope I'm wrong.

Turkey does not recognize the GC south, why should they send them anything? Do you guys really believe the UN will start form zero, and repest everything in the AP , call it the Greek plan we dont care but the basic content will be used by the UN experts as a starting point.

"But a process of reconciliation and peace and reunification means at least two, so I hope we find the same spirit on the Turkish Cypriot side," Barroso said, adding that Turkey also had a "constructive role" to play in the process.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/ ... Cyprus.php

Looks like Barroso is saying to the TC's, "you need to be active players in this peace talks and do not wait everything to be handed to you from the GC's".

What do you think it means VP.?? Do you also believe as I do, that the EU also wants to take important part in negotiations this time around and not mostly by the UN as the case was in 2004, since Cyprus is now a EU member.??

In my humble opinion, the UN does not need to start from the beginning to produce another "white elephant peace plan" with 9,000+ useless pages that lead to no nowhere. The whole AP was nothing more than a "maze" that would have stopped anything from ever happening in Cyprus. Everytime when someone thought they would have found the way out of all the crap in the 9,000 pages of the AP, they would have hit a "roadblock". Good riddance to that shitty plan.

For the next plan, "Keep It Simple Stupid" or just "KISS" for short.

What Barroso is saying is that he found his meeting with Christofiays positive and hoped that the TC side was the same, you are reading to much into what is being said to show that the GC side is no longer the rejectionist and negative side that we have seen over the last 5 years.

I can assure the EU was involved in the 2004 negotiations as well, they had experts together with the UN in all the committees and they also actively intervened to apply EU principles on many issues that were argued between the 2 sides.

If you think the UN are just going to ditch 9000 pages of hard graft to start again you must be cuckoo, they will be used to see whcih areas the GCs object to and then negotiate solutions that will not effect the TC yes negatively. Dont forget while we are trying to get GCs to say yes we must sustain the TC yes.

[Viewpoint]

"Do those documents contain TC communities signature? we didnt agree to them so they are not binding on our behalf."

So the assumption is that the TC federal region will NOT be part of the EU? Is this what you are saying? Becoming a member of the EU means you accept its legal order, otherwise you do not get in. So which is it, in or out? Or is it going to be another one of those "TCs are a special case" situations where all rules are upset to satisfy this special status?

Please be realistic we are not anywhere near the EU criteria for entry and have to work closely with EU to make progress, as you have not doubt read we have made a start but still we will not be upto scratch and will not be if there is a solution in the near future. The other problem is the TC side do not trust the EU for obvious reasons and have not put in the effort to come into line with EU directive as they feel the excersise is pointless as we do not see ourselves in the EU or do we have to desire to enter. Arecent call to a meeting for adaptation to EU norms had 10 participants, they lost their creditiblity a long time ago in the TRNC and without any real positive moves no one will take them seriously.

[Nikitas]

So out you stay. A very light hearted way to treat such a huge opportunity. Guess Turkey must enter first so you can follow, going in first would be too big a show of independence.

[Viewpoint]

So out you stay. A very light hearted way to treat such a huge opportunity. Guess Turkey must enter first so you can follow, going in first would be too big a show of independence.

Nikitas people here do not take the EU officials seriously as they did not keep their promises after the referendum and therefore a solution will have to be found before we devote time to an ideology that we will not benefit from. Why do all that homework if you know you are not going to get your work accredited?

[shahmaran]

I say screw the EU altogether, both for us and Turkey!

They are more than happy to let in any semi-advanced shit hole country like Bulgaria or the RoC in for god knows what reason but when it comes to the Muslims we have to tapdance, juggle, catch a bird with our mouth on a monocycle, take more and more shit all the time and what for? To be like them?

Why the hell would anyone want that in the first place is beyond me...

[Viewpoint]

I say screw the EU altogether, both for us and Turkey!

They are more than happy to let in any semi-advanced shit hole country like Bulgaria or the RoC in for god knows what reason but when it comes to the Muslims we have to tapdance, juggle, catch a bird with our mouth on a monocycle, take more and more shit all the time and what for? To be like them?

Why the hell would anyone want that in the first place is beyond me...

I agree whats all the fuss, we can progress without the EU...its not the end of the world and we should look more at bulding stronger economic relations with other countries around the world. Telling the EU to go play with themselves.

[zan]

I say screw the EU altogether, both for us and Turkey!

They are more than happy to let in any semi-advanced shit hole country like Bulgaria or the RoC in for god knows what reason but when it comes to the Muslims we have to tapdance, juggle, catch a bird with our mouth on a monocycle, take more and more shit all the time and what for? To be like them?

Why the hell would anyone want that in the first place is beyond me...

I agree whats all the fuss, we can progress without the EU...its not the end of the world and we should look more at bulding stronger economic relations with other countries around the world. Telling the EU to go play with themselves.

Well said!!!!

[eracles]

Once upon a time there was a fox strolling through the woods.
He came upon a grape orchard. There he found a bunch of
beautiful grapes hanging from a high branch.
"Boy those sure would be tasty," he thought to himself.
He backed up and took a running start, and jumped.
He did not get high enough.
He went back to his starting spot and tried again.
He almost got high enough this time, but not quite.
He tried and tried, again and again, but just couldn't get high
enough to grab the grapes.
Finally, he gave up.
As he walked away, he put his nose in the air and said:
"I am sure those grapes are sour."

[pantheman]

Erdogan letter to EU 26

TURKISH Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has sent a letter to 26 EU leaders stating that the Annan plan is the basis for future negotiations for the solution of the Cyprus problem.
Cyprus did not get one.

Erdogan’s Greek counterpart Costas Karamanlis, responding to the development yesterday, said the Annan plan had been rejected by the overwhelming majority of Greek Cypriots and no longer constituted a basis for negotiations.

The Greek Prime Minister referred to a recent statement made by Erdogan during Karamanlis’ visit in Ankara, in which he said that the Annan plan was not a basis for discussion.

“I want to reiterate that Turkey’s EU course depends on certain criteria and preconditions which have been expressed with clarity in EU decisions,” he concluded.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008

Erdogan, what a prat, he's causing trouble even before the talks start. He wants to be involved in the forthcoming negotiations but can't even show a little goodwill towards the ROC by sending it a copy. The talks are doomed before they start, but I hope I'm wrong.

Turkey does not recognize the GC south, why should they send them anything? Do you guys really believe the UN will start form zero, and repest everything in the AP , call it the Greek plan we dont care but the basic content will be used by the UN experts as a starting point.

Oh i'm sorry, is this the same Turkey that wants so desperately to joing the EU club of which the RoC IS A FULL MEMEBER?

Seems you are shooting yourself in the foot with such pathetics posts.

Whats happening here is what has always happened, Turkeys intransigence to the whole solution process. Only difference is that they cannot blame TPAP and more so they are just making obstacles for Christofis. Knowing that their demands are totally unaccepatable and low and behold the blame game again.

The Turks and the TCs have are are showing NO goodwill or any desire for a solution as they start on their campaign on Idiotropies (awkwardness).

Hardly surprising anyway, I didn't expect much else. Watch this space, the outcome is just too obvious.