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[zan]

you can be Turkish Cypriot all yu like just don't deny me my rights of return to my homeland.

As per your previous post to where I was in 1963. The answer is this I am 39 years old now VP do your math and you see where I was. But I was around in 1974 and very close to it all. Infact I bet my bottom dollar that I was closer to every bomb that Turkey dropped than you were.

I don't expect you people to understand but can you at least for once be respectful.

When have I been disrespectful? you are free to return to your homeland tomorrow you are the one who chooses not to.

I wish I could return to my land VP. It's been sold through a dodgy title deed. I can't return to my father's house. There's a displaced member of the northern community there who's been given another type of dodgy deed. I can't go and live in my father-law's house cos there's a settler from RoT there with another dubious deed.

.. and do you know the funny thing, my family left Cy between 1949 and 1952. We had nothing to do with the nonsenses of 58-60, or of 63-65 or of 74!

So thanks a lot for the advice, for the invitation to return but I think I'm f----d!

No, that's not true I should say I've been f....d!

Bill outside of living in your family home (which one I am sure we will resolve) you are free to come live in the TRNC, the the barrier you face is more psychological than anything else. There are many GCs who have rented homes in Kyrenia and do live here without hinderence.

Thanks for your further advice VP. I don't really think I have a psychological problem, in that I have always found the northern community as welcoming/friendly as any other Cypriots but I am sure you will understand that I'd rather live/visit/retire to my own or parents' property.

I am reminded that my wife's late grandmother has also left her a nice little piece of a field in a village in the Karpas. I suppose we could always go and buy a tent and camp there. Anyone know of any camping shops?

In any event after some years of looking, my wife and I decided to start making good our family's temporary (as you say, to be resolved) property losses and bought several donums in Larnaca District last year.

Ask not what your country can do for you..... How about you donating your land for the sake of a solution and peace Bill as I have said I will.....Over 40 Donums in the buffer zone...

[bill cobbett]

you can be Turkish Cypriot all yu like just don't deny me my rights of return to my homeland.

As per your previous post to where I was in 1963. The answer is this I am 39 years old now VP do your math and you see where I was. But I was around in 1974 and very close to it all. Infact I bet my bottom dollar that I was closer to every bomb that Turkey dropped than you were.

I don't expect you people to understand but can you at least for once be respectful.

When have I been disrespectful? you are free to return to your homeland tomorrow you are the one who chooses not to.

I wish I could return to my land VP. It's been sold through a dodgy title deed. I can't return to my father's house. There's a displaced member of the northern community there who's been given another type of dodgy deed. I can't go and live in my father-law's house cos there's a settler from RoT there with another dubious deed.

.. and do you know the funny thing, my family left Cy between 1949 and 1952. We had nothing to do with the nonsenses of 58-60, or of 63-65 or of 74!

So thanks a lot for the advice, for the invitation to return but I think I'm f----d!

No, that's not true I should say I've been f....d!

Bill outside of living in your family home (which one I am sure we will resolve) you are free to come live in the TRNC, the the barrier you face is more psychological than anything else. There are many GCs who have rented homes in Kyrenia and do live here without hinderence.

Thanks for your further advice VP. I don't really think I have a psychological problem, in that I have always found the northern community as welcoming/friendly as any other Cypriots but I am sure you will understand that I'd rather live/visit/retire to my own or parents' property.

I am reminded that my wife's late grandmother has also left her a nice little piece of a field in a village in the Karpas. I suppose we could always go and buy a tent and camp there. Anyone know of any camping shops?

In any event after some years of looking, my wife and I decided to start making good our family's temporary (as you say, to be resolved) property losses and bought several donums in Larnaca District last year.

Ask not what your country can do for you..... How about you donating your land for the sake of a solution and peace Bill as I have said I will.....Over 40 Donums in the buffer zone...

Zan old boy - you and others Cypriots may share my feeling that ancestral land is often a bit of a curse. You can look at it, live on it, use it as collateral for a loan, use it as a dowry etc etc but you can't sell it or give it away. It's our duty to pass it on to the next generation.

In any event although your offer, your promisory note if you will, to give up your estate in the buffer zone is is very commendable and very magnanimous, in my case and in a good many other peoples' cases we seem to have made a real donation of sorts already.

[Oracle]

..... How about you donating your land for the sake of a solution and peace Bill as I have said I will.....Over 40 Donums in the buffer zone...

your promisory note if you will, to give up your estate in the buffer zone is is very commendable and very magnanimous, in my case and in a good many other peoples' cases we seem to have made a real donation of sorts already.

Well put bill ....

The Turk finds it easy to give freely that which he has acquired so easily ... like their readiness to split the island in two, because they do not feel the pain of thousands of years of connection ....

In Zan's case I am sure he has been offered many other free gifts and inducements from all that surplus GC land that is no longer selling to the Brits ....

[zan]

you can be Turkish Cypriot all yu like just don't deny me my rights of return to my homeland.

As per your previous post to where I was in 1963. The answer is this I am 39 years old now VP do your math and you see where I was. But I was around in 1974 and very close to it all. Infact I bet my bottom dollar that I was closer to every bomb that Turkey dropped than you were.

I don't expect you people to understand but can you at least for once be respectful.

When have I been disrespectful? you are free to return to your homeland tomorrow you are the one who chooses not to.

I wish I could return to my land VP. It's been sold through a dodgy title deed. I can't return to my father's house. There's a displaced member of the northern community there who's been given another type of dodgy deed. I can't go and live in my father-law's house cos there's a settler from RoT there with another dubious deed.

.. and do you know the funny thing, my family left Cy between 1949 and 1952. We had nothing to do with the nonsenses of 58-60, or of 63-65 or of 74!

So thanks a lot for the advice, for the invitation to return but I think I'm f----d!

No, that's not true I should say I've been f....d!

Bill outside of living in your family home (which one I am sure we will resolve) you are free to come live in the TRNC, the the barrier you face is more psychological than anything else. There are many GCs who have rented homes in Kyrenia and do live here without hinderence.

Thanks for your further advice VP. I don't really think I have a psychological problem, in that I have always found the northern community as welcoming/friendly as any other Cypriots but I am sure you will understand that I'd rather live/visit/retire to my own or parents' property.

I am reminded that my wife's late grandmother has also left her a nice little piece of a field in a village in the Karpas. I suppose we could always go and buy a tent and camp there. Anyone know of any camping shops?

In any event after some years of looking, my wife and I decided to start making good our family's temporary (as you say, to be resolved) property losses and bought several donums in Larnaca District last year.

Ask not what your country can do for you..... How about you donating your land for the sake of a solution and peace Bill as I have said I will.....Over 40 Donums in the buffer zone...

Zan old boy - you and others Cypriots may share my feeling that ancestral land is often a bit of a curse. You can look at it, live on it, use it as collateral for a loan, use it as a dowry etc etc but you can't sell it or give it away. It's our duty to pass it on to the next generation.

In any event although your offer, your promisory note if you will, to give up your estate in the buffer zone is is very commendable and very magnanimous, in my case and in a good many other peoples' cases we seem to have made a real donation of sorts already.

And it is not my only donation either Bill so please lets not get into haggling about who has given the most.


As to your embarrassing post Whoracle....What am I saying....You embarrassed.... You really need to do better in your line of work since returning to Cyprus...Head propaganda bitch is just a title...If you do not produce the goods and that is the best you can do then I do not see a bright future for you in the "RoC" offices.........Perhaps a cleaning lady that talks of better times is all you will ever achieve..

[bill cobbett]

you can be Turkish Cypriot all yu like just don't deny me my rights of return to my homeland.

As per your previous post to where I was in 1963. The answer is this I am 39 years old now VP do your math and you see where I was. But I was around in 1974 and very close to it all. Infact I bet my bottom dollar that I was closer to every bomb that Turkey dropped than you were.

I don't expect you people to understand but can you at least for once be respectful.

When have I been disrespectful? you are free to return to your homeland tomorrow you are the one who chooses not to.

I wish I could return to my land VP. It's been sold through a dodgy title deed. I can't return to my father's house. There's a displaced member of the northern community there who's been given another type of dodgy deed. I can't go and live in my father-law's house cos there's a settler from RoT there with another dubious deed.

.. and do you know the funny thing, my family left Cy between 1949 and 1952. We had nothing to do with the nonsenses of 58-60, or of 63-65 or of 74!

So thanks a lot for the advice, for the invitation to return but I think I'm f----d!

No, that's not true I should say I've been f....d!

Bill outside of living in your family home (which one I am sure we will resolve) you are free to come live in the TRNC, the the barrier you face is more psychological than anything else. There are many GCs who have rented homes in Kyrenia and do live here without hinderence.

Thanks for your further advice VP. I don't really think I have a psychological problem, in that I have always found the northern community as welcoming/friendly as any other Cypriots but I am sure you will understand that I'd rather live/visit/retire to my own or parents' property.

I am reminded that my wife's late grandmother has also left her a nice little piece of a field in a village in the Karpas. I suppose we could always go and buy a tent and camp there. Anyone know of any camping shops?

In any event after some years of looking, my wife and I decided to start making good our family's temporary (as you say, to be resolved) property losses and bought several donums in Larnaca District last year.

Ask not what your country can do for you..... How about you donating your land for the sake of a solution and peace Bill as I have said I will.....Over 40 Donums in the buffer zone...

Zan old boy - you and others Cypriots may share my feeling that ancestral land is often a bit of a curse. You can look at it, live on it, use it as collateral for a loan, use it as a dowry etc etc but you can't sell it or give it away. It's our duty to pass it on to the next generation.

In any event although your offer, your promisory note if you will, to give up your estate in the buffer zone is is very commendable and very magnanimous, in my case and in a good many other peoples' cases we seem to have made a real donation of sorts already.

And it is not my only donation either Bill so please lets not get into haggling about who has given the most.


As to your embarrassing post Whoracle....What am I saying....You embarrassed.... You really need to do better in your line of work since returning to Cyprus...Head propaganda bitch is just a title...If you do not produce the goods and that is the best you can do then I do not see a bright future for you in the "RoC" offices.........Perhaps a cleaning lady that talks of better times is all you will ever achieve..

Zan old chap.

There's a member in the Chat section who has posted that he/she has a constipation problem. You may wish to drop in and give them the benefit of your expert advice on the matter.

Also, regret to inform you that your 40 donums in the buffer zone is temporarily no longer yours. It has been taken back into the real world by the good people of the RoC. and is for sale in a classified ad on this forum.

[miltiades]

you can be Turkish Cypriot all yu like just don't deny me my rights of return to my homeland.

As per your previous post to where I was in 1963. The answer is this I am 39 years old now VP do your math and you see where I was. But I was around in 1974 and very close to it all. Infact I bet my bottom dollar that I was closer to every bomb that Turkey dropped than you were.

I don't expect you people to understand but can you at least for once be respectful.

When have I been disrespectful? you are free to return to your homeland tomorrow you are the one who chooses not to.

I wish I could return to my land VP. It's been sold through a dodgy title deed. I can't return to my father's house. There's a displaced member of the northern community there who's been given another type of dodgy deed. I can't go and live in my father-law's house cos there's a settler from RoT there with another dubious deed.

.. and do you know the funny thing, my family left Cy between 1949 and 1952. We had nothing to do with the nonsenses of 58-60, or of 63-65 or of 74!

So thanks a lot for the advice, for the invitation to return but I think I'm f----d!

No, that's not true I should say I've been f....d!

Bill outside of living in your family home (which one I am sure we will resolve) you are free to come live in the TRNC, the the barrier you face is more psychological than anything else. There are many GCs who have rented homes in Kyrenia and do live here without hinderence.

Thanks for your further advice VP. I don't really think I have a psychological problem, in that I have always found the northern community as welcoming/friendly as any other Cypriots but I am sure you will understand that I'd rather live/visit/retire to my own or parents' property.

I am reminded that my wife's late grandmother has also left her a nice little piece of a field in a village in the Karpas. I suppose we could always go and buy a tent and camp there. Anyone know of any camping shops?

In any event after some years of looking, my wife and I decided to start making good our family's temporary (as you say, to be resolved) property losses and bought several donums in Larnaca District last year.

Ask not what your country can do for you..... How about you donating your land for the sake of a solution and peace Bill as I have said I will.....Over 40 Donums in the buffer zone...

Zan old boy - you and others Cypriots may share my feeling that ancestral land is often a bit of a curse. You can look at it, live on it, use it as collateral for a loan, use it as a dowry etc etc but you can't sell it or give it away. It's our duty to pass it on to the next generation.

In any event although your offer, your promisory note if you will, to give up your estate in the buffer zone is is very commendable and very magnanimous, in my case and in a good many other peoples' cases we seem to have made a real donation of sorts already.

And it is not my only donation either Bill so please lets not get into haggling about who has given the most.


As to your embarrassing post Whoracle....What am I saying....You embarrassed.... You really need to do better in your line of work since returning to Cyprus...Head propaganda bitch is just a title...If you do not produce the goods and that is the best you can do then I do not see a bright future for you in the "RoC" offices.........Perhaps a cleaning lady that talks of better times is all you will ever achieve..

I have posted many times my adverse reaction to views expressed by Oracle , have included her in my list of those harboring extreme views , but I will say this for the lady Zan , intellectually she can chew you and spit you out before you know its happening are but a mere dwarf intellectually against this controversial and non representative of the great majority of the G/C people.
She is a scientist and would have no difficulty in , should she wish , finding suitable employment other than as a "cleaning lady "
It is your way once again Zan of denigrating an event , an individual or a situation.
I know , have another drink old man !!!

[Oracle]

[.Head propaganda bitch is just a title...If you do not produce the goods and that is the best you can do then I do not see a bright future for you in the "RoC" offices.........Perhaps a cleaning lady that talks of better times is all you will ever achieve..

I have posted many times my adverse reaction to views expressed by Oracle , have included her in my list of those harboring extreme views , but I will say this for the lady Zan , intellectually she can chew you and spit you out before you know its happening are but a mere dwarf intellectually against this controversial and non representative of the great majority of the G/C people.
She is a scientist and would have no difficulty in , should she wish , finding suitable employment other than as a "cleaning lady "
It is your way once again Zan of denigrating an event , an individual or a situation.
I know , have another drink old man !!!

The unacceptability of racism is beyond reproach .... however what Zan fails to appreciate is that "sexism" is infinitely worse, affecting nearly 50% of the population of every Nation on Earth ...

Miltiades ... the more they scorn me, the more I realise I am hitting home!

[zan]

you can be Turkish Cypriot all yu like just don't deny me my rights of return to my homeland.

As per your previous post to where I was in 1963. The answer is this I am 39 years old now VP do your math and you see where I was. But I was around in 1974 and very close to it all. Infact I bet my bottom dollar that I was closer to every bomb that Turkey dropped than you were.

I don't expect you people to understand but can you at least for once be respectful.

When have I been disrespectful? you are free to return to your homeland tomorrow you are the one who chooses not to.

I wish I could return to my land VP. It's been sold through a dodgy title deed. I can't return to my father's house. There's a displaced member of the northern community there who's been given another type of dodgy deed. I can't go and live in my father-law's house cos there's a settler from RoT there with another dubious deed.

.. and do you know the funny thing, my family left Cy between 1949 and 1952. We had nothing to do with the nonsenses of 58-60, or of 63-65 or of 74!

So thanks a lot for the advice, for the invitation to return but I think I'm f----d!

No, that's not true I should say I've been f....d!

Bill outside of living in your family home (which one I am sure we will resolve) you are free to come live in the TRNC, the the barrier you face is more psychological than anything else. There are many GCs who have rented homes in Kyrenia and do live here without hinderence.

Thanks for your further advice VP. I don't really think I have a psychological problem, in that I have always found the northern community as welcoming/friendly as any other Cypriots but I am sure you will understand that I'd rather live/visit/retire to my own or parents' property.

I am reminded that my wife's late grandmother has also left her a nice little piece of a field in a village in the Karpas. I suppose we could always go and buy a tent and camp there. Anyone know of any camping shops?

In any event after some years of looking, my wife and I decided to start making good our family's temporary (as you say, to be resolved) property losses and bought several donums in Larnaca District last year.

Ask not what your country can do for you..... How about you donating your land for the sake of a solution and peace Bill as I have said I will.....Over 40 Donums in the buffer zone...

Zan old boy - you and others Cypriots may share my feeling that ancestral land is often a bit of a curse. You can look at it, live on it, use it as collateral for a loan, use it as a dowry etc etc but you can't sell it or give it away. It's our duty to pass it on to the next generation.

In any event although your offer, your promisory note if you will, to give up your estate in the buffer zone is is very commendable and very magnanimous, in my case and in a good many other peoples' cases we seem to have made a real donation of sorts already.

And it is not my only donation either Bill so please lets not get into haggling about who has given the most.


As to your embarrassing post Whoracle....What am I saying....You embarrassed.... You really need to do better in your line of work since returning to Cyprus...Head propaganda bitch is just a title...If you do not produce the goods and that is the best you can do then I do not see a bright future for you in the "RoC" offices.........Perhaps a cleaning lady that talks of better times is all you will ever achieve..

Zan old chap.

There's a member in the Chat section who has posted that he/she has a constipation problem. You may wish to drop in and give them the benefit of your expert advice on the matter.

Also, regret to inform you that your 40 donums in the buffer zone is temporarily no longer yours. It has been taken back into the real world by the good people of the RoC. and is for sale in a classified ad on this forum.

I could moan and gripe about it like you Bill but I have chosen to make the gesture that you are avoiding because of your greed as I predicted... Making out that I am the one that is bunged up is a flimsy way of trying to hide that..Perhaps the blockage on your friend is something that you may have produced. The fact of whether it is in the buffer zone or not means nothing because if I were like you I would I would do anything to get it back.

[humanist]

VP, the barier is not psychological the barier is very real, who do I pay taxes too? I will be working in the RoC, and the major thing is I am not going to support Talat and his administration benefiting from the loss of 200, 000 others. the trnc is built on stolen land and just like I would not buy a stolen tv nor hang around anyone who steals tv's I don't want to hang around you. If Talat allows he other 200,000 refugees to return then I would be moe than happy to resettle in my home. Not have tyo go and buy another home because mine is taken from me without my permission.

[zan]

[.Head propaganda bitch is just a title...If you do not produce the goods and that is the best you can do then I do not see a bright future for you in the "RoC" offices.........Perhaps a cleaning lady that talks of better times is all you will ever achieve..

I have posted many times my adverse reaction to views expressed by Oracle , have included her in my list of those harboring extreme views , but I will say this for the lady Zan , intellectually she can chew you and spit you out before you know its happening are but a mere dwarf intellectually against this controversial and non representative of the great majority of the G/C people.
She is a scientist and would have no difficulty in , should she wish , finding suitable employment other than as a "cleaning lady "
It is your way once again Zan of denigrating an event , an individual or a situation.
I know , have another drink old man !!!

The unacceptability of racism is beyond reproach .... however what Zan fails to appreciate is that "sexism" is infinitely worse, affecting nearly 50% of the population of every Nation on Earth ...

Miltiades ... the more they scorn me, the more I realise I am hitting home!

I am just a hater of heartless bitches and drunken old men........As for sexism......Ask my daughter...She has always been told she can be what ever she wants to be.....And for hitting home...This is the tenth time you have had tears in your eyes.....I will not scoff at that but many people here will say you bring it on yourself.......You want us to believe that you are not fazed by anything we say but if you were as clever a scientist as Miltiades likes to believe you are then you would understand the cause and effect of your posts......Your kind of intelligence that Miltiades says will eat me up is only impressing the old and frail......Then what else has an old man got left but to impress younger women.......Have you seen thatt advert where the drunk thinks he is a super hero and falls and cracks his skull open.....