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[gomesilva]

Is really strange this situation... Just Turkey recognised North of Cyprus... but one thing is truth... if you ask to others citiziens UE (Portugal, Spain, etc.. for example) about the situation in Cyprus... in general... everyone will say that Cyprus has divided by the Replubic of Cyprus and the North of Cyprus...
in the "paper" no one recognise... but maybe North of Cyprus is no soo pseudo state like you say...

[Oracle]

Is really strange this situation... Just Turkey recognised North of Cyprus... but one thing is truth... if you ask to others citiziens UE (Portugal, Spain, etc.. for example) about the situation in Cyprus... in general... everyone will say that Cyprus has divided by the Replubic of Cyprus and the North of Cyprus...
in the "paper" no one recognise... but maybe North of Cyprus is no soo pseudo state like you say...

Equally there are people that believe there is a separate country called Basque and another called Gibraltar .....

[shahmaran]

I find that it is usually the ignorant goons who don't know anything about Cyprus who buy the GC shit and believe its a "Greek island", people who are even a little bit clued about geography and world politics immediately ask which side I'm from and funny enough many also go on about how annoying it is to meet a GC person who immediately starts spilling their classic rubbish like Phoenix.

I think in time, the hard working propagandist GC's like Phoenix are doing more harm to themselves and to their cause than good because they are exhausting their own cause and slowly slowly people don't want to hear it anymore and so much attention drawn to the conflict is making people question the other side of the story, so keep it up Phoenix, soon you will have no legs to shoot

[wallace]

Ofcourse it is a pseudo state. What do you think will happen in this world if anybody that feels like it creates its own state like they did in the north of Cyprus. Chaos and anarchie are not to be overseen in the world we live in today. Let's keep it simple....If I hit somebodies car with my bicycle and the car has a scratch.....does that give him the right to confescate my bicycle?

[shahmaran]

Well first of all your analogy is extremely inaccurate and seconds i believe the Kosovans have just recently declared their own state, and so did the Jews not long ago. The only people who opposed to it (and they were the serious minority) are people like Russia and Cyprus who are currently trying to rob other people from their independence.

If a people is being forced to live under the hegemony of another people then yes people do have a right to claim their independence i don't care what laws or ideas oppose it because i'm not going to live under Greek rule for anyone, i know it is very convenient for bigger and more powerful people to take advantage of smaller people by simply hiding behind democracy but there is always a bigger fish in the sea as we saw in Cyprus

[Oracle]

I find that it is usually the ignorant goons who don't know anything about Cyprus who buy the GC shit and believe its a "Greek island", people who are even a little bit clued about geography and world politics immediately ask which side I'm from and funny enough many also go on about how annoying it is to meet a GC person who immediately starts spilling their classic rubbish like Phoenix.

I think in time, the hard working propagandist GC's like Phoenix are doing more harm to themselves and to their cause than good because they are exhausting their own cause and slowly slowly people don't want to hear it anymore and so much attention drawn to the conflict is making people question the other side of the story, so keep it up Phoenix, soon you will have no legs to shoot

The only ignorant goons are the TCs who believed Turkey's propaganda that Cyprus is a Greek island to frighten them into its "welcoming" arms ....

Seems like you have shot yourself in the foot shah ....

[shahmaran]

I find that it is usually the ignorant goons who don't know anything about Cyprus who buy the GC shit and believe its a "Greek island", people who are even a little bit clued about geography and world politics immediately ask which side I'm from and funny enough many also go on about how annoying it is to meet a GC person who immediately starts spilling their classic rubbish like Phoenix.

I think in time, the hard working propagandist GC's like Phoenix are doing more harm to themselves and to their cause than good because they are exhausting their own cause and slowly slowly people don't want to hear it anymore and so much attention drawn to the conflict is making people question the other side of the story, so keep it up Phoenix, soon you will have no legs to shoot

The only ignorant goons are the TCs who believed Turkey's propaganda that Cyprus is a Greek island to frighten them into its "welcoming" arms ....

Seems like you have shot yourself in the foot shah ....

To be honest Phoenix, that would be much more convincing if people like you didn't exist at all, but you do and it is pretty funny that the claim of the fact that the "Greek hatred of the Turkish" is nothing but a propaganda lie spread by Turkey, is coming from the very person who is also the ferocious opposer of the Turkish existence on the island.

I think it is still you who is shooting her self in the foot and seriously contradicting herself while doing it, i mean how do you do it? Both of them at the same time?

[Viewpoint]

There is no isolation. TC's can go and stand wherever they like in Cyprus. They have the same rights as the GC's. You are allowed to trade through the recognised RoC. The pseudo state is not recognised....that's a total different story. But then again.....it's not recognised by any country in the world. The settlers are supported by Turkey and Turkey is also recognised by all countries. So define isolation please

Get it right Turkey recognizes the TRNC, the isolation is having to send your goods to Larnaca through GC customs while you are in Famagusta, isolation is having to land in Turkey before flying to the north of Cyprus, isolation is not having your post come direct to your door, isolation is increasing the costs of transport, isolation is not being able to play a friendly football match, isolation is having only one ally, isolation is not allowing children to dance abroad I can go on and on.....but you would never understand but is all this a heavy price to pay for having the unrecognized TRNC? believe me when I say Tcs are willing to pay 100 times these restrictions because we do not want to be ruled by GCs alone we want our say in our own futures where GCs can no longer discriminates, manipulate and push us to one side.

[zan]

Ofcourse it is a pseudo state. What do you think will happen in this world if anybody that feels like it creates its own state like they did in the north of Cyprus. Chaos and anarchie are not to be overseen in the world we live in today. Let's keep it simple....If I hit somebodies car with my bicycle and the car has a scratch.....does that give him the right to confescate my bicycle?

It worked for the "RoC" so we have great hopes for our future too.....

[bill cobbett]

you can be Turkish Cypriot all yu like just don't deny me my rights of return to my homeland.

As per your previous post to where I was in 1963. The answer is this I am 39 years old now VP do your math and you see where I was. But I was around in 1974 and very close to it all. Infact I bet my bottom dollar that I was closer to every bomb that Turkey dropped than you were.

I don't expect you people to understand but can you at least for once be respectful.

When have I been disrespectful? you are free to return to your homeland tomorrow you are the one who chooses not to.

I wish I could return to my land VP. It's been sold through a dodgy title deed. I can't return to my father's house. There's a displaced member of the northern community there who's been given another type of dodgy deed. I can't go and live in my father-law's house cos there's a settler from RoT there with another dubious deed.

.. and do you know the funny thing, my family left Cy between 1949 and 1952. We had nothing to do with the nonsenses of 58-60, or of 63-65 or of 74!

So thanks a lot for the advice, for the invitation to return but I think I'm f----d!

No, that's not true I should say I've been f....d!

Bill outside of living in your family home (which one I am sure we will resolve) you are free to come live in the TRNC, the the barrier you face is more psychological than anything else. There are many GCs who have rented homes in Kyrenia and do live here without hinderence.

Thanks for your further advice VP. I don't really think I have a psychological problem, in that I have always found the northern community as welcoming/friendly as any other Cypriots but I am sure you will understand that I'd rather live/visit/retire to my own or parents' property.

I am reminded that my wife's late grandmother has also left her a nice little piece of a field in a village in the Karpas. I suppose we could always go and buy a tent and camp there. Anyone know of any camping shops?

In any event after some years of looking, my wife and I decided to start making good our family's temporary (as you say, to be resolved) property losses and bought several donums in Larnaca District last year.