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[MicAtCyp]

What do want Viewpoint to throw you into the sea instead of moving between you? Our proprties are there were you live you know...

By the way dont be so sure the TCs who had substantial property will not return after a solution.
Look at Alex's survey.Many TCs voted NO to the Anan plan because it was depriving them their property.

[-mikkie2-]

Why this great desire to want to live amongst us and dont give me that ancenstral lands crap, its suspiscious to say the least and makes us question your true motives as we have no desire to move south even though we to have property there and could return now, where are all the droves of TCs that were expected to move to the "RoC" and settle after the restrictions had been removed.
If you were given property rights to rent or sell or exchange your property for the sake of compromise, why not?, I know Im willing to do this. Why this need to move in amongst us, im sure its not your love for TCs.

VP

Your mentality shows that you do not want to live with GC's.

Time and again the argument has been made that the GC's left behind 20 times worth what the TC's left behind. You expect us to give you everything for nothing? And yes, GC's do have very strong bonds with their ancestral homes and is natural for them to want to return. You confuse a political solution with what individuals want. I can tell you now that people don't give a shit about politics or the form of the solution just as long they can get back what they lost and can live freely in Cyprus anywhere they choose. For most GC's that is the main thing.

If you want a partition solution you'd better be prepared to pay for it, or should I say, Turkey had better be prepared to pay for it to the tune of billions of dollars.

[Viewpoint]

-mikkie2-

Your mentality shows that you do not want to live with GC's.

You are right and this is unfortunately the reflection of GCs.

You expect us to give you everything for nothing?

You are not reading my threads properly or like most GCs you are avoiding the real content and concentrating on the basic comprehension. Of course you will be compensated, personally I wouldnt have it any otherway, either the right to sell, rent or get compensation.

I can tell you now that people don't give a shit about politics or the form of the solution just as long they can get back what they lost and can live freely in Cyprus anywhere they choose. For most GC's that is the main thing.

Do you read your own press, the majority of GCs dont give a shit about refugees, they have become rich due to division and dont care for a solution, plus many refugees who would have gotten the ir homes back after referendum vote no, isnt that contradictory to what you are saying?

If you want a partition solution you'd better be prepared to pay for it, or should I say, Turkey had better be prepared to pay for it to the tune of billions of dollars.

Nothing new there.

MicAtCyp

What do want Viewpoint to throw you into the sea instead of moving between you? Our proprties are there were you live you know...

Im sure thats what you love to do with us, we are talking about compromise and this may entail not all refugees being able to move back but having other rights to sell rent or get compensation for your properties.

By the way dont be so sure the TCs who had substantial property will not return after a solution.
Look at Alex's survey.Many TCs voted NO to the Anan plan because it was depriving them their property.

What will change for them after a solution, are you saying that current conditions in the south are not democratic and favourable for TCs to resettle there??? are they allowed to vote?? are they able to get there land back??? or alternatively get compensation, can you guarantee fair treatment of TCs??? Will you allow these TCs to return to 1960 arrangements???can you guarantee their safety??

[MicAtCyp]

Do you read your own press, the majority of GCs dont give a shit about refugees, they have become rich due to division and dont care for a solution, plus many refugees who would have gotten the ir homes back after referendum vote no, isnt that contradictory to what you are saying?

I read our own press and I know better than you what it says. I know in our press one can read all sorts of views even the most outrageous and marginal ones. If the marginal views impress you then thats something you have to deal with.

The GCs did not become rich because of the division. They became rich after they worked for about 20 years in the deserts of Saudi Arabia. Don't be jealous. You should have seen us 15 years ago.The refugees would get 1/3 of their properties back and lose the other 2/3rds and return 1% every year upto 21 years. That's why they voted NO. Those who would get their homes back (Famagusta only) had to think what the cost would be.Write off the rest FOR EVER. That's why they voted NO. (actually only 65% of them voted NO really). Plus for so many other reasons we explained in this forum 100s of times.

To the next peace Plan that will oblidge all of you to reurn all the properties you hold illegally be sure we will vote YES. Don't tell me you will have a problem with our YES this time, will you?

Im sure thats what you love to do with us, we are talking about compromise and this may entail not all refugees being able to move back but having other rights to sell rent or get compensation for your properties.

The FACTS prove your sureness is wrong. If you on the other hand would prefer to throw the GCs in the sea thats another story.
The RIGHT to return is there, the RIGHT to do whatever one likes with his property is there nobody can take it away from him. There can be no guarantees for the number of refugees that will finally decide to return.Yout side must take reasonable risks, based on logic. Its not easy for ANYONE to return.Some will return no matter what.What that "some" will be cannot be guaranteed.Take reasonable risks and you will win-this is my advice to you.

What will change for them after a solution....

It will change the fact that you will not need 10 pounds car insurance to move around and see the opportunities everyday. It will change the fact that you will be able to program your life in certainty and move back when you are ready and not because you have no other option in life.
It will change the fact that every place in Cyprus will be under one authority that people can trust. It's a matter of trust to the upper authority (=the State), and a matter of feeling secure.And a matter of getting your rights automatically without having to beg or go to courts.

[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp

If the marginal views impress you then thats something you have to deal with.

No problem with that.

The GCs did not become rich because of the division. They became rich after they worked for about 20 years in the deserts of Saudi Arabia. Don't be jealous.

Many Gcs benefited from the division and being recognised 2/3rds of Cyprus I agree that GCs worked very hard but you have milked tourism to name one to the full, good luck to you. As for working abroad you dont have the monopoly there are many TCs including my father who worked abroad, but unfortunately he was one of the ethnically pushed out by GCs during the 1960s but we wont go there right now. Under no circumstances am I jealous of anyone, I think this is what many GCs wanted us to feel when the crossing restrictions were lifted, rushing to live with you guys, from your childish comment about jealousy this may be related to your disappointed that there was no rush to leave the TRNC for the ho so wealthy and democratic "RoC"

To the next peace Plan that will oblidge all of you to reurn all the properties you hold illegally be sure we will vote YES. Don't tell me you will have a problem with our YES this time, will you?

Although I dont think there will be another plan other than a revised Annan plan, under the current situation I will vote no, I will only vote yes for recognised partition for land solution.