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[Andros]

Greek and Turkish Cypriots, as reported in the press today, are discussing the removal of the "Symbol of Division". However, what does this really mean?

Well, as I have said in the past, removing the dividing line before a resolution actually Promotes Partition. Why? Because by removing the border at this present moment in time, we are actually opening our country to the so-called "TRNC". I'd understand the excitement of opening the border after a resolution to unite all Cypriots under the umbrella of the Republic of Cyprus - but opening more check points with the so-called TRNC?

Something fishy is going on? Why don't just agree to completely remove the "Cease-Fire Line" tomorrow and accept the so-called TRNC as it stands. What the hell is wrong with our politicians. Even Tourists freely crossing over to the "North" are confused regarding this matter.

Remember, please don't be fooled by the word "Division", as it's very different to the word "Partition". In our case, the removal of the "DIVISION" means acceptance of Partition.

The United Nations is playing a very sneaky game with us!

[utu]

Greek and Turkish Cypriots, as reported in the press today, are discussing the removal of the "Symbol of Division". However, what does this really mean?

Well, as I have said in the past, removing the dividing line before a resolution actually Promotes Partition. Why? Because by removing the border at this present moment in time, we are actually opening our country to the so-called "TRNC". I'd understand the excitement of opening the border after a resolution to unite all Cypriots under the umbrella of the Republic of Cyprus - but opening more check points with the so-called TRNC?

Something fishy is going on? Why don't just agree to completely remove the "Cease-Fire Line" tomorrow and accept the so-called TRNC as it stands. What the hell is wrong with our politicians. Even Tourists freely crossing over to the "North" are confused regarding this matter.

Remember, please don't be fooled by the word "Division", as it's very different to the word "Partition". In our case, the removal of the "DIVISION" means acceptance of Partition.

The United Nations is playing a very sneaky game with us!

Andros, what rules of the 'game' would you prefer to play? I am curious.

[Andros]

utu,

Good question, and a tough one I may add. We'll, it's clear that someone is promoting the fall of the Division before an official solution. Also, isn't it a coincidence that the first opening of the Cyprus "Cease-fire line" was recommended by former TC leader Mr Denktash!

And, please remember, it's NOT a "Border", but a "Cease-Fire" Line. If you call it a border, that means that we accept the so-called TRNC! While, a "Cease-Fire Line" means the split of the Republic of Cyprus, thus the "TRNC" does not exist!

The call by the Turkish Cypriots to declare the "Cease-Fire Line" a "Border" recently in Brussels is another one of their tactics of recognition of the present so-called "TRNC".

Therefore, my answer to your question is as following, the pulling down of the so-called "Division" of the Cease-Fire line before a Cyprus resolution is just Dentash's way of forcing the acceptance of the so-called "TRNC". This is actually a serious matter for our Cyprus government that has seriously been overlooked. Do they not know what they are doing?

As for what I would recommend, I would close all check points and use our European Membership influence to demand Turkey's removal of its troops and the return of the northern territory with the Republic of Cyprus. I know it may sound unrealistic in today's messed-up stance of events, but that's who says the truth doesn't hurt. Turkey took advantage of a weak moment in Cyprus history and has dragged this issue to what the UN wants to re-introduce as the "Annan Plan" scenario. In my opinion, the UN Process is a seriously undemocratic demand of the "People" of the Republic of Cyprus.

I say people, as we have all Cypriots and foreign nationals living in the ROC, even Turkish Cypriots.

[Viewpoint]

Greek and Turkish Cypriots, as reported in the press today, are discussing the removal of the "Symbol of Division". However, what does this really mean?

Well, as I have said in the past, removing the dividing line before a resolution actually Promotes Partition. Why? Because by removing the border at this present moment in time, we are actually opening our country to the so-called "TRNC". I'd understand the excitement of opening the border after a resolution to unite all Cypriots under the umbrella of the Republic of Cyprus - but opening more check points with the so-called TRNC?

Something fishy is going on? Why don't just agree to completely remove the "Cease-Fire Line" tomorrow and accept the so-called TRNC as it stands. What the hell is wrong with our politicians. Even Tourists freely crossing over to the "North" are confused regarding this matter.

Remember, please don't be fooled by the word "Division", as it's very different to the word "Partition". In our case, the removal of the "DIVISION" means acceptance of Partition.

The United Nations is playing a very sneaky game with us!

Little steps will take us in the direction you fear, this may not happen overnight but as long as there is no solution the isolation on the north will receed. The GCs have to compromise and accept us as equal partners and share power under a BBF strycture the alternative which I personally support is agreed partition land return for recognition.

[utu]

Cession of land is a given in any case. That has been a benchmark of northern Cypriot and Turkish policy. Of couse, the price the other side would have to pay for the cession (recognition, confederation, or very loose federation) is a rather hard one.

[zan]

utu,

Good question, and a tough one I may add. We'll, it's clear that someone is promoting the fall of the Division before an official solution. Also, isn't it a coincidence that the first opening of the Cyprus "Cease-fire line" was recommended by former TC leader Mr Denktash!

And, please remember, it's NOT a "Border", but a "Cease-Fire" Line. If you call it a border, that means that we accept the so-called TRNC! While, a "Cease-Fire Line" means the split of the Republic of Cyprus, thus the "TRNC" does not exist!

The call by the Turkish Cypriots to declare the "Cease-Fire Line" a "Border" recently in Brussels is another one of their tactics of recognition of the present so-called "TRNC".

Therefore, my answer to your question is as following, the pulling down of the so-called "Division" of the Cease-Fire line before a Cyprus resolution is just Dentash's way of forcing the acceptance of the so-called "TRNC". This is actually a serious matter for our Cyprus government that has seriously been overlooked. Do they not know what they are doing?

As for what I would recommend, I would close all check points and use our European Membership influence to demand Turkey's removal of its troops and the return of the northern territory with the Republic of Cyprus. I know it may sound unrealistic in today's messed-up stance of events, but that's who says the truth doesn't hurt. Turkey took advantage of a weak moment in Cyprus history and has dragged this issue to what the UN wants to re-introduce as the "Annan Plan" scenario. In my opinion, the UN Process is a seriously undemocratic demand of the "People" of the Republic of Cyprus.

I say people, as we have all Cypriots and foreign nationals living in the ROC, even Turkish Cypriots.

First of all Andros...The land does not belong to the "RoC" but to the CYPRUS REPUBLIC which does not exist any more. Secondly.....How can you have a legitimate crossings in a "Cease fire line"...There can only be crossings at a border!!!!!TCs cross over by showing their passports and not waving a white flag

[DT.]

utu,

Good question, and a tough one I may add. We'll, it's clear that someone is promoting the fall of the Division before an official solution. Also, isn't it a coincidence that the first opening of the Cyprus "Cease-fire line" was recommended by former TC leader Mr Denktash!

And, please remember, it's NOT a "Border", but a "Cease-Fire" Line. If you call it a border, that means that we accept the so-called TRNC! While, a "Cease-Fire Line" means the split of the Republic of Cyprus, thus the "TRNC" does not exist!

The call by the Turkish Cypriots to declare the "Cease-Fire Line" a "Border" recently in Brussels is another one of their tactics of recognition of the present so-called "TRNC".

Therefore, my answer to your question is as following, the pulling down of the so-called "Division" of the Cease-Fire line before a Cyprus resolution is just Dentash's way of forcing the acceptance of the so-called "TRNC". This is actually a serious matter for our Cyprus government that has seriously been overlooked. Do they not know what they are doing?

As for what I would recommend, I would close all check points and use our European Membership influence to demand Turkey's removal of its troops and the return of the northern territory with the Republic of Cyprus. I know it may sound unrealistic in today's messed-up stance of events, but that's who says the truth doesn't hurt. Turkey took advantage of a weak moment in Cyprus history and has dragged this issue to what the UN wants to re-introduce as the "Annan Plan" scenario. In my opinion, the UN Process is a seriously undemocratic demand of the "People" of the Republic of Cyprus.

I say people, as we have all Cypriots and foreign nationals living in the ROC, even Turkish Cypriots.

First of all Andros...The land does not belong to the "RoC" but to the CYPRUS REPUBLIC which does not exist any more. Secondly.....How can you have a legitimate crossings in a "Cease fire line"...There can only be crossings at a border!!!!!TCs cross over by showing their passports and not waving a white flag

There we go again...Zan against the rest of the world. The country is a member of CN, CE, CFSP, EBRD, EIB, EU, FAO, IAEA, IBRD, ICAO, ICC, ICCt, ITUC, IDA, IFAD, IFC, IHO,ILO, IMF, IMO, Interpol, IOC, IOM, IPU, ITU, MIGA, NAM, NSG, OPCW, OSCE, PCA, UN, UNCTAD, UNESCO, UNHCR, UNIDO, UPU, WCL, WCO, WFTU, WHO, WIPO, WMO, WToO,

and Zan says it doesn't exist. You'd be crap in war mate...eveyone would be screaming at you to watch out for that grenade and you'd insist its a pineapple.

[zan]

utu,

Good question, and a tough one I may add. We'll, it's clear that someone is promoting the fall of the Division before an official solution. Also, isn't it a coincidence that the first opening of the Cyprus "Cease-fire line" was recommended by former TC leader Mr Denktash!

And, please remember, it's NOT a "Border", but a "Cease-Fire" Line. If you call it a border, that means that we accept the so-called TRNC! While, a "Cease-Fire Line" means the split of the Republic of Cyprus, thus the "TRNC" does not exist!

The call by the Turkish Cypriots to declare the "Cease-Fire Line" a "Border" recently in Brussels is another one of their tactics of recognition of the present so-called "TRNC".

Therefore, my answer to your question is as following, the pulling down of the so-called "Division" of the Cease-Fire line before a Cyprus resolution is just Dentash's way of forcing the acceptance of the so-called "TRNC". This is actually a serious matter for our Cyprus government that has seriously been overlooked. Do they not know what they are doing?

As for what I would recommend, I would close all check points and use our European Membership influence to demand Turkey's removal of its troops and the return of the northern territory with the Republic of Cyprus. I know it may sound unrealistic in today's messed-up stance of events, but that's who says the truth doesn't hurt. Turkey took advantage of a weak moment in Cyprus history and has dragged this issue to what the UN wants to re-introduce as the "Annan Plan" scenario. In my opinion, the UN Process is a seriously undemocratic demand of the "People" of the Republic of Cyprus.

I say people, as we have all Cypriots and foreign nationals living in the ROC, even Turkish Cypriots.

First of all Andros...The land does not belong to the "RoC" but to the CYPRUS REPUBLIC which does not exist any more. Secondly.....How can you have a legitimate crossings in a "Cease fire line"...There can only be crossings at a border!!!!!TCs cross over by showing their passports and not waving a white flag

There we go again...Zan against the rest of the world. The country is a member of CN, CE, CFSP, EBRD, EIB, EU, FAO, IAEA, IBRD, ICAO, ICC, ICCt, ITUC, IDA, IFAD, IFC, IHO,ILO, IMF, IMO, Interpol, IOC, IOM, IPU, ITU, MIGA, NAM, NSG, OPCW, OSCE, PCA, UN, UNCTAD, UNESCO, UNHCR, UNIDO, UPU, WCL, WCO, WFTU, WHO, WIPO, WMO, WToO,

and Zan says it doesn't exist. You'd be crap in war mate...eveyone would be screaming at you to watch out for that grenade and you'd insist its a pineapple.

At best DT, the "RoC" exists on it's own land which is 63% of Cyprus........If that is the case then the TRNC/KKTC exists on the other 37%. The CYPRUS REPUBLIC was destroyed and hangs in space and time as an entity that you guys use only when it suits you....The CYPRUS REPUBLIC was formed with the Zurich Agreement and it's unique constitution intact...None of those exist ergo neither does the CYPRUS REPUBLIC......This is not rocket science.....We just have to iron out the details.........Why doesnt the so called "RoC" take the TRNC/KKTC to court over land issues instead of fronting the scam with individual cases

[DT.]

utu,

Good question, and a tough one I may add. We'll, it's clear that someone is promoting the fall of the Division before an official solution. Also, isn't it a coincidence that the first opening of the Cyprus "Cease-fire line" was recommended by former TC leader Mr Denktash!

And, please remember, it's NOT a "Border", but a "Cease-Fire" Line. If you call it a border, that means that we accept the so-called TRNC! While, a "Cease-Fire Line" means the split of the Republic of Cyprus, thus the "TRNC" does not exist!

The call by the Turkish Cypriots to declare the "Cease-Fire Line" a "Border" recently in Brussels is another one of their tactics of recognition of the present so-called "TRNC".

Therefore, my answer to your question is as following, the pulling down of the so-called "Division" of the Cease-Fire line before a Cyprus resolution is just Dentash's way of forcing the acceptance of the so-called "TRNC". This is actually a serious matter for our Cyprus government that has seriously been overlooked. Do they not know what they are doing?

As for what I would recommend, I would close all check points and use our European Membership influence to demand Turkey's removal of its troops and the return of the northern territory with the Republic of Cyprus. I know it may sound unrealistic in today's messed-up stance of events, but that's who says the truth doesn't hurt. Turkey took advantage of a weak moment in Cyprus history and has dragged this issue to what the UN wants to re-introduce as the "Annan Plan" scenario. In my opinion, the UN Process is a seriously undemocratic demand of the "People" of the Republic of Cyprus.

I say people, as we have all Cypriots and foreign nationals living in the ROC, even Turkish Cypriots.

First of all Andros...The land does not belong to the "RoC" but to the CYPRUS REPUBLIC which does not exist any more. Secondly.....How can you have a legitimate crossings in a "Cease fire line"...There can only be crossings at a border!!!!!TCs cross over by showing their passports and not waving a white flag

There we go again...Zan against the rest of the world. The country is a member of CN, CE, CFSP, EBRD, EIB, EU, FAO, IAEA, IBRD, ICAO, ICC, ICCt, ITUC, IDA, IFAD, IFC, IHO,ILO, IMF, IMO, Interpol, IOC, IOM, IPU, ITU, MIGA, NAM, NSG, OPCW, OSCE, PCA, UN, UNCTAD, UNESCO, UNHCR, UNIDO, UPU, WCL, WCO, WFTU, WHO, WIPO, WMO, WToO,

and Zan says it doesn't exist. You'd be crap in war mate...eveyone would be screaming at you to watch out for that grenade and you'd insist its a pineapple.

At best DT, the "RoC" exists on it's own land which is 63% of Cyprus........If that is the case then the TRNC/KKTC exists on the other 37%. The CYPRUS REPUBLIC was destroyed and hangs in space and time as an entity that you guys use only when it suits you....The CYPRUS REPUBLIC was formed with the Zurich Agreement and it's unique constitution intact...None of those exist ergo neither does the CYPRUS REPUBLIC......This is not rocket science.....We just have to iron out the details.........Why doesnt the so called "RoC" take the TRNC/KKTC to court over land issues instead of fronting the scam with individual cases :roll:

As far as I know every offer made to Turkey to solve this through the ICJ has been turned down by Turkey for some reason. Unofortunately the ICJ can only rule on 2 countries if they both apply to it.

Wonder why Turkey keeps refusing to go to the ICJ?
Wonder why Zan keeps shooting himself in the foot?

[Andros]

Zan

You Wrote:

First of all Andros...The land does not belong to the "RoC" but to the CYPRUS REPUBLIC which does not exist any more. Secondly.....How can you have a legitimate crossings in a "Cease fire line"...There can only be crossings at a border!!!!!TCs cross over by showing their passports and not waving a white flag

Firstly, I am not going to argue with you, as I believe the stand I take on the Cyprus issue is a practical one. The point you've made on the "Showing passports" on the Border! is a serious one, and one President Christofias needs to address at the shortest possible time.

Via some mystical means, the previous Cyprus governments (Probably from Clerides) have seriously miss-calculated the crossings issue, thus today we are having to deal with this miss-justice of affairs. The Crossings-over certainly do raise many serious political questions regarding its legitimacy - which leads me onto the very issue of the need to close all checkpoints until a settlement is reached.

The is a call to the CYPRUS GOVERNMENT, please think about what you are really doing regarding the Ledra Check point recently announced of its proposed opening, as there will be no turning back. Please do not entertain Turkish Cypriots like Zan and their foul-mouthed so-called Turkish Cypriot PM Ferdi Soyer, who clearly can't stop chanting hatred words at the Cyprus Republic and our Cypriot MEP politicians. Zan's stance is a serious one brothers and sisters, where it is Turkish Cypriots like him who are somehow finding the hearts of the true Greek Cypriot believers of a united federal Cyprus structure.

Those goodwill gestures - like opening checkpoint, starting direct-trade across the cease-fire line and many, many more are the very "Turkish" building blocks sought by Turkey in pushing the Recognition of their so-called "TRNC". It must be stopped, do not allow this stealth pressure to poison the minds of all Cypriots living in the Republic of Cyprus.

Solution first!