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[Get Real!]

Wise words from GR. I wonder if you are offering all these benefits to your compatriots, cousins as an equal community or as a community with minority status. Are you prepared to go back to the 1960 constitution?

Remember United We Stand.

The 1960 constitution is a violation of the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights…

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

…in that it is based on ethnic communities having disproportional rights and privileges, and such a political arrangement is both undemocratic and technically illegal in the EU for its members.

Have you written to the EU about this and asked them to take away the disproportional rights afforded the "RoC" with only 600,000 real GCs having the same power as the UK with 65 million people..... What did they say...What what!!!!!!!!! I do wish you would think things through before you post crap!!!

That's good advice for yourself...

The EU is a club of applied & approved members and should NEVER be confused with a country's constitution like the RoC, for which the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights was written!

[zan]

Wise words from GR. I wonder if you are offering all these benefits to your compatriots, cousins as an equal community or as a community with minority status. Are you prepared to go back to the 1960 constitution?

Remember United We Stand.

The 1960 constitution is a violation of the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights…

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

…in that it is based on ethnic communities having disproportional rights and privileges, and such a political arrangement is both undemocratic and technically illegal in the EU for its members.

Have you written to the EU about this and asked them to take away the disproportional rights afforded the "RoC" with only 600,000 real GCs having the same power as the UK with 65 million people..... What did they say...What what!!!!!!!!! I do wish you would think things through before you post crap!!!

That's good advice for yourself...

The EU is a club of applied & approved members and should NEVER be confused with a country's constitution like the RoC, for which the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights was written!

So there is room for a Cyprus club then Homer........The "RoC" constitution and the TRNC/KKTC constitution can be members of this exclusive club...Looking foreword to the negotiations.....

[Get Real!]

The 1960 constitution is a violation of the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights…

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

…in that it is based on ethnic communities having disproportional rights and privileges, and such a political arrangement is both undemocratic and technically illegal in the EU for its members.

Have you written to the EU about this and asked them to take away the disproportional rights afforded the "RoC" with only 600,000 real GCs having the same power as the UK with 65 million people..... What did they say...What what!!!!!!!!! I do wish you would think things through before you post crap!!!

That's good advice for yourself...

The EU is a club of applied & approved members and should NEVER be confused with a country's constitution like the RoC, for which the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights was written!

So there is room for a Cyprus club then Homer........The "RoC" constitution and the TRNC/KKTC constitution can be members of this exclusive club...Looking foreword to the negotiations.....

Problem is you don't have a constitution but a gimmick...

[zan]

The 1960 constitution is a violation of the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights…

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

…in that it is based on ethnic communities having disproportional rights and privileges, and such a political arrangement is both undemocratic and technically illegal in the EU for its members.

Have you written to the EU about this and asked them to take away the disproportional rights afforded the "RoC" with only 600,000 real GCs having the same power as the UK with 65 million people..... What did they say...What what!!!!!!!!! I do wish you would think things through before you post crap!!!

That's good advice for yourself...

The EU is a club of applied & approved members and should NEVER be confused with a country's constitution like the RoC, for which the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights was written!

So there is room for a Cyprus club then Homer........The "RoC" constitution and the TRNC/KKTC constitution can be members of this exclusive club...Looking foreword to the negotiations.....

Problem is you don't have a constitution but a gimmick...

Yeh Yeh!!!! What we have is a solid constitution where as yours is in the ether because one minute you tell us that it is the original CYPRUS REPUBLIC constitution and then a whole different one that is the "RoC".....Which is it to be snake boy

Off to work now but will be chomping on the bit to get back and read your well thought out and honest reply...Take your time because I might be a while.....

[Get Real!]

The 1960 constitution is a violation of the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights…

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

…in that it is based on ethnic communities having disproportional rights and privileges, and such a political arrangement is both undemocratic and technically illegal in the EU for its members.

Have you written to the EU about this and asked them to take away the disproportional rights afforded the "RoC" with only 600,000 real GCs having the same power as the UK with 65 million people..... What did they say...What what!!!!!!!!! I do wish you would think things through before you post crap!!!

That's good advice for yourself...

The EU is a club of applied & approved members and should NEVER be confused with a country's constitution like the RoC, for which the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights was written!

So there is room for a Cyprus club then Homer........The "RoC" constitution and the TRNC/KKTC constitution can be members of this exclusive club...Looking foreword to the negotiations.....

Problem is you don't have a constitution but a gimmick...

Yeh Yeh!!!! What we have is a solid constitution where as yours is in the ether because one minute you tell us that it is the original CYPRUS REPUBLIC constitution and then a whole different one that is the "RoC".....Which is it to be snake boy

Off to work now but will be chomping on the bit to get back and read your well thought out and honest reply...Take your time because I might be a while.....

Solid constitution? CYPRUS REPUBLIC? Snake boy?

You make it impossible for me to give you a "well thought out and honest reply"!!!

Chao!

[Andros]

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You said:

Andros, you think that there will be partition - albeit with more land for the south than is currently the case? Sounds like you're signalling defeat.

Defeat! Please don't view my explanation as a sign or defeat, but more as a warning of the double-standards of Turkish Cypriots policies - in other words, as soon as they feel like they are in some kind of trouble they feel the need to call upon Turkey to "Exercise their Guarantor right of intervention". In simple words, I don't trust a solution that divides the federal establishment into two "Founding" (according to Mr Fat Talat) states. That is primarily why I would prefer some kind of agreed partition rather than signing a bad deal. Thus, the only agreements, if they are even REMOTELY like the dead Annan Plan, is a very BAD deal. Come Greek Cypriots, this is a very serious point in Cyprus history.

Look at it this way - where were you in 1960? (A child, not born yet, too young to voice your Cypriot concerns or just waiting for the Internet to arrive as you were to scared to march the streets in protest?). Today is our time to voice our concerns, to path our future, the future for our children, our country in Europe. The rejection of the Annan Plan by most of us was a blessing in disguise - can you imagine if we were tricked into saying "Yes". Do not allow the UN Talks to reach this stage again, unless it is a settlement plan that has no inter-constituent states, guarantorship and no derogation, and etc, etc.

According to the recent news reports, the Turkish Cypriots have already started their chanting of constituent states and guarantor rights for Turkey. In that case, and if they truly want to end this Cyprus issue, and are bent against a true unification plan, they should announce their rejection to this to the world and sit with President Christofias in reducing their occupied land to an area in relation to their population and seal an "agreed Partition" deal. At least we'll never be confronted with bogus Annan Style scenarios.

Do you have the balls? (As the Americans say).

As Get Real said, I too would agree to partition, but only if the land allocation is realistic (Well, I think that is what you meant mate!).

Personally, I have had enough of these Tit-for-Tat UN brokered, time-wasting, THREATENING the REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS processes. The Turkish Cypriots seriously need to understand the true amount of land they feel they are entitled to. 37%, you must be joking! We will never allow you to force some kind of Recognition of the so-called TRNC occupying such a huge area with a small Cypriot population - our politicians are not that stupid.

[Nikitas]

Greece signaled Turkey way back in the early 90s that the territorial share can exceed the population percentages if it is a federal solution. If outright partition is on the cards then Greece will insist on territorial percentages closer to population ratios at the time of the invasion. The USA agrees on this approach. Refer to Mitsotakis and Yilmaz talks of 1992. Seems that Yilmaz agreed on principle to this approach and indicated as much in an interview with Greek state television.

A clean partition with fair territorial distribution is much better than a crappy BBF. After the partition it is a dead certainty that the Turkish statelet in the north willstart banging the door asking for a federal deal with the RoC. It will be the only way it can maintain some semblance of independence and not be swallowed up by Turkey. Partition will be the first round of the new match, not the last round of the present one.

[Nikitas]

If we get partition at close to 18-82 territory and start developing Famagusta the TCs will not just be banging the door to get in, they will desert the north en masse to emigrate to the south. Rebuilding Famagusta is a potential gold mine. It will dwarf the rest of the economy.

[Viewpoint]

So simply you are saying no states, no guarantees no derogation's/transition periods, how do you propose to address our concerns? how will you convince the TCs that the above are unnecessary?

If what you put forward is unacceptable to TCs then lets agree partition by having an independent body investigate all the land complaints/claims of the past to determine who owns what and then agree the split just has I have been saying for the last 3 years.

[Viewpoint]

Greece signaled Turkey way back in the early 90s that the territorial share can exceed the population percentages if it is a federal solution. If outright partition is on the cards then Greece will insist on territorial percentages closer to population ratios at the time of the invasion. The USA agrees on this approach. Refer to Mitsotakis and Yilmaz talks of 1992. Seems that Yilmaz agreed on principle to this approach and indicated as much in an interview with Greek state television.

A clean partition with fair territorial distribution is much better than a crappy BBF. After the partition it is a dead certainty that the Turkish statelet in the north willstart banging the door asking for a federal deal with the RoC. It will be the only way it can maintain some semblance of independence and not be swallowed up by Turkey. Partition will be the first round of the new match, not the last round of the present one.

Please provide an example of how land distribution was distribution in line with population %, the only examples are what has been won through intervention/war between 2 sides.