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Changing village names

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Postby boomerang » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:48 am

Gabira wrote:
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Nikitas wrote:The name changes hit places that did not even have a Greek name, like the prof says, citing the case of Galatia, not to mention Komi Kepir etc. Funny thing that no one in the south felt the need to change the name of Kouklia, or Mala, or other Turkish place names. This crisis of identity is a TC and Turkish thing which totally escapes me.


Istanbul...does it ring bells?

They used Constantinople for years before they changed it...it was on official documents... :lol:


And what is the real name for your native "Melbourne" ?


Did they have corresponce back then the aboriginals?....I am quite happy to go back if they have...or if there was a name I would be proud to change the name...no problemo...you know why?...its called respect...:lol:

can you say the same without getting your ass in the slammer? :lol:

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I can give you more if you like...thank god for the internet :lol:
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:01 pm

I have an official tourist map issued by the authorities in the north which covers the whole island. It shows the former mixed or TC villages with their Turkish names. Looking around Limassol, for example, I see Aşağı Binatlı (Kato Polemidia), Silifke (Silikou), Elmalı (Moniatis) etc.

What puzzles me is that there is a formely mixed village named Fasoula quite close to where I live (not shown on this particlar map), and it seems never to have been given a Turkish name. It is always referred to as "Fasula" in Turkish texts. I wonder why it missed out on being alloted a "pure Turkish name" when the campaign to rename villages was being conducted? Did the idea of calling it "Fasulye" seem a bit daft? Does anybody know the reason?
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Postby Gabira » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:02 pm

boomerang wrote:Did they have corresponce back then the aboriginals?....I am quite happy to go back if they have...or if there was a name I would be proud to change the name...no problemo...you know why?...its called respect...:lol:

can you say the same without getting your ass in the slammer? :lol:


Well, you must be the only person in Australia with respect. Will you be the one requesting names to reverted to pre 1788 in Australia. I can really sense your passion for fighting for the rights of humanity without prejudice :?
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Postby boomerang » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:12 pm

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boomerang wrote:Did they have corresponce back then the aboriginals?....I am quite happy to go back if they have...or if there was a name I would be proud to change the name...no problemo...you know why?...its called respect...:lol:

can you say the same without getting your ass in the slammer? :lol:


Well, you must be the only person in Australia with respect. Will you be the one requesting names to reverted to pre 1788 in Australia. I can really sense your passion for fighting for the rights of humanity without prejudice :?


Gabira you have fuck all knowledge of the aboriginals in Australia...lets cut the crap...

There was no Melbourne back then and the aboriginals did not live in towns...they had areas for different tribes...

Even today they have arnhem land, where I need permision to enter and I have no problem with that...

I would gladly trade in the union Jack for this one...
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I would go as far and acknowledge the existence of the aboriginals in our constitution to say they ARE the original people of Australia

I would go as far and say sorry to them the day the poms were using them for target practice...

Recently our new prime minister apologised to them for the stolen generation...not enough in my books...more needs to be done...

Why?...coz we fucked these people...and I ain't even did anything to these people...not even my forefathers...

Its the right thing to do...

Now can you do the same in Cyprus, or in "turkey=fascist state" ?

Without getting your ass thrown in the slammer?

PS...there plenty of people like me around gabira so do not go preaching me shit you moron, always looking for excuses to legimatize you fucking crimes...
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Postby iceman » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:33 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:I have an official tourist map issued by the authorities in the north which covers the whole island. It shows the former mixed or TC villages with their Turkish names. Looking around Limassol, for example, I see Aşağı Binatlı (Kato Polemidia), Silifke (Silikou), Elmalı (Moniatis) etc.

What puzzles me is that there is a formely mixed village named Fasoula quite close to where I live (not shown on this particlar map), and it seems never to have been given a Turkish name. It is always referred to as "Fasula" in Turkish texts. I wonder why it missed out on being alloted a "pure Turkish name" when the campaign to rename villages was being conducted? Did the idea of calling it "Fasulye" seem a bit daft? Does anybody know the reason?


Tim
Most of the Turkish names of the villages in south Cyprus have been given to them after 1974...
If you tell these Turkish names to people from those villages they will not reckognise their village.
One other thing Turkish authorities did was to give same names to GC villages occupied by TC refugies so in some cases there is two villages,one in the south and one in the north with same name..

I have a book about names of villages/towns in Cyprus throughout ages...I also have a very detailed map prepared by the British dating back to 1883..This map clearly shows every village & who was the occupants,(by their religion NOT nationality)
It was either a Christian population village with a cross after village name or moslem village with a crescent after the village name or if it was a mix village nothing after the name...In cases where villages had a Turkish name as well as Greek name (funny enough these were mainly in the north part of the island) both names are written on the map.
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Postby Gabira » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:33 pm

boomerang wrote:
Gabira wrote:
boomerang wrote:Did they have corresponce back then the aboriginals?....I am quite happy to go back if they have...or if there was a name I would be proud to change the name...no problemo...you know why?...its called respect...:lol:

can you say the same without getting your ass in the slammer? :lol:


Well, you must be the only person in Australia with respect. Will you be the one requesting names to reverted to pre 1788 in Australia. I can really sense your passion for fighting for the rights of humanity without prejudice :?


Gabira you have fuck all knowledge of the aboriginals in Australia...lets cut the crap...

There was no Melbourne back then and the aboriginals did not live in towns...they had areas for different tribes...

Even today they have arnhem land, where I need permision to enter and I have no problem with that...

I would gladly trade in the union Jack for this one...
Image

I would go as far and acknowledge the existence of the aboriginals in our constitution to say they ARE the original people of Australia

I would go as far and say sorry to them the day the poms were using them for target practice...

Recently our new prime minister apologised to them for the stolen generation...not enough in my books...more needs to be done...

Why?...coz we fucked these people...and I ain't even did anything to these people...not even my forefathers...

Its the right thing to do...

Now can you do the same in Cyprus, or in "turkey=fascist state" ?

Without getting your ass thrown in the slammer?

PS...there plenty of people like me around gabira so do not go preaching me shit you moron, always looking for excuses to legimatize you fucking crimes...


It seems I hit a nerve :?

I asked a simple polite question re gaidouri.

Will you be the one requesting names to reverted to pre 1788 in Australia. As I already complimented you before, I can really sense your passion for fighting for the rights of humanity without prejudice :?

PS - I'm not the one preaching here, but it's rather you. I've only responded to your comments which I take very seriously.

When you say that there are plenty more people around like you, I 'm assuming you are referring to forum members ? Are you trying to legitimize your prejudice towards T's & TC's by your numbers again ?
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Postby halil » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:41 pm

the information on names of the settlement locations of Cyprus is based on written materials originated from Egypt, Middle east (Mesopotamia) and Anatalian (Hittite) sources exending to II or III thousand B.C. In these materials the name of Cyprus, which was famous of her copper was mentioned as ''he country middle of the sea '' and ''Alasya''. In Assyrian resources mentioned as ''Ia,Iatna and Yadama''. In the documents dating back to year one thousand B.C than names of the towns ''Kittim'' and ''Tarsis'' were metioned.
In XIII-XII B.C. When Aegean migrationes had started and during the following perids when colonization was active , in addition to eastern culture , locations with Hellenic names were also established. Especially during Assyrian regn, cities and city kingdoms had mostly Hellenic names and it is recorded that among these were some Syrian,Phoenician and also Hebrew names . It is recorded in the sele of Sargon II, in Kition that, during that period of Sargon II(720-705 BC) and Asarhaddon (681-669 BC) the name of Cyprus was '' Yadana '' and there excisted 10 city kingdoms named Edi'li (Idalion),Kitsuri (Chytros), Silua (Salamis) , Papa (Paphos) , Sillu(Soloi) , Kuri (Kourion) , Tamesu(Tamassus) , Karti (Kition ) , Lidu (Ledra) and Nuri ( Urania) in this country.
It is clearly understood that the reason of slight differences in the names of these city kingdoms were originated from the difference languages, accents and pronunciations in between them.The information about the names of the cities established or demolished in following the Assyrian reign,during Persians , Alexander The Great, Egypt (Ptolemaios), Roman ,Early Christianity,Byzantium,Lusignan , Venetions ,Ottoman and even British , are based on meterial written on the walls of the temples,to the manuscripts of travelers and historians visited the island in different periods and to the maps drawn by cartographs.In despite a few location names in the oldest map of Cyprus , drawn in Roman period which managed to survive to uor day. It is interesting to note the vast amount of location names in the maps drawn during XVI th century and onwards.
While the location names were defined one by one by a map of Cyprus detailed in 15 sheets by Lord Kitcheners on 1885 and by other cartography works afterwards due to desolution of some locations because of immigrations during the period of 1950-1960 and the change in the names of 21384 locations with in the territories of TRNC in pre 1964 and post 1974 period were entered to official records as well.
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Postby halil » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:56 pm

iceman wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:I have an official tourist map issued by the authorities in the north which covers the whole island. It shows the former mixed or TC villages with their Turkish names. Looking around Limassol, for example, I see Aşağı Binatlı (Kato Polemidia), Silifke (Silikou), Elmalı (Moniatis) etc.

What puzzles me is that there is a formely mixed village named Fasoula quite close to where I live (not shown on this particlar map), and it seems never to have been given a Turkish name. It is always referred to as "Fasula" in Turkish texts. I wonder why it missed out on being alloted a "pure Turkish name" when the campaign to rename villages was being conducted? Did the idea of calling it "Fasulye" seem a bit daft? Does anybody know the reason?


Tim
Most of the Turkish names of the villages in south Cyprus have been given to them after 1974...
If you tell these Turkish names to people from those villages they will not reckognise their village.
One other thing Turkish authorities did was to give same names to GC villages occupied by TC refugies so in some cases there is two villages,one in the south and one in the north with same name..

I have a book about names of villages/towns in Cyprus throughout ages...I also have a very detailed map prepared by the British dating back to 1883..This map clearly shows every village & who was the occupants,(by their religion NOT nationality)
It was either a Christian population village with a cross after village name or moslem village with a crescent after the village name or if it was a mix village nothing after the name...In cases where villages had a Turkish name as well as Greek name (funny enough these were mainly in the north part of the island) both names are written on the map.


Iceman ,
I have a new published book by Samtay Foundation .
Names of the locations of Cyprus lost in the depths of 2500 years of Cyprus . Also they have a new version of the Cyprus map. on the map you can find the all the villages and city names what is called in Turkish and Greek.
Also in the book you can find Antique names , Greek , Turkish and latin names as well.
for example:
antique name :Galadia
Turkish name:Mehmetcik
Greek name:Galateia

antique name:Elea
Turkish:Doğancı
Greek:Elia
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Postby boomerang » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:05 pm

Gabira wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Gabira wrote:
boomerang wrote:Did they have corresponce back then the aboriginals?....I am quite happy to go back if they have...or if there was a name I would be proud to change the name...no problemo...you know why?...its called respect...:lol:

can you say the same without getting your ass in the slammer? :lol:


Well, you must be the only person in Australia with respect. Will you be the one requesting names to reverted to pre 1788 in Australia. I can really sense your passion for fighting for the rights of humanity without prejudice :?


Gabira you have fuck all knowledge of the aboriginals in Australia...lets cut the crap...

There was no Melbourne back then and the aboriginals did not live in towns...they had areas for different tribes...

Even today they have arnhem land, where I need permision to enter and I have no problem with that...

I would gladly trade in the union Jack for this one...
Image

I would go as far and acknowledge the existence of the aboriginals in our constitution to say they ARE the original people of Australia

I would go as far and say sorry to them the day the poms were using them for target practice...

Recently our new prime minister apologised to them for the stolen generation...not enough in my books...more needs to be done...

Why?...coz we fucked these people...and I ain't even did anything to these people...not even my forefathers...

Its the right thing to do...

Now can you do the same in Cyprus, or in "turkey=fascist state" ?

Without getting your ass thrown in the slammer?

PS...there plenty of people like me around gabira so do not go preaching me shit you moron, always looking for excuses to legimatize you fucking crimes...


It seems I hit a nerve :?

I asked a simple polite question re gaidouri.

Will you be the one requesting names to reverted to pre 1788 in Australia. As I already complimented you before, I can really sense your passion for fighting for the rights of humanity without prejudice :?

PS - I'm not the one preaching here, but it's rather you. I've only responded to your comments which I take very seriously.

When you say that there are plenty more people around like you, I 'm assuming you are referring to forum members ? Are you trying to legitimize your prejudice towards T's & TC's by your numbers again ?


Lets get something straight Gabira, you hit no nerve with your arrogant questioning...

I asked you a couple of questions and the least you can do is answer them...

And for your information no I was not refering about forum members, as your arrogant questioning was about Aboriginals in Australia...and that was not preaching but rather trying to show you that you need to think outside the sqaure box...but I can see from your reply that you are unable to so...I put that down to you being a fascist and me living in a free democratic society where my voice is heard and counts without recriminations...Clearly you have demonstrated that your thinking is backwards and on top of that its controlled by others...You are unable to judge what is right or wrong...you bud in with your bullshit remarks with no point to make except to legimitaze illegalities...

Can you get up there and share your blame with others...can you say it takes 2 to tango...No...The only thing you can say but you did this so we did this so live with it...

I can admit that the preiod 63-74 a lot happen with the tcs coming out the worsed....but nothing compares to the pain that "turkey=fascist state" did to the whole of Cyprus...

What a waste of a human being you turned out to be...My congratulations to your parents...I doubt you have anything to contribute to todays society...Evidence is your arrogant responces...

You moan about "turkey=fascist state" bashing without looking at your sig...That says a lot...Atleast I make a distinction with my sig and want the "turks=fascist race" out of Cyprus...coz I consider you a Cypriot...But your tiny brain is unable to cope with that...

Now get the fuck outta here...you fucking moron...
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Postby iceman » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:09 pm

halil wrote:
Iceman ,
I have a new published book by Samtay Foundation .
Names of the locations of Cyprus lost in the depths of 2500 years of Cyprus .


Halil
I was given a copy of that book before it went on sale.. :wink:
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