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[DT.]

Just like the threat of annihiation of the TCs?

Can your guests hold you ransom when you want them to stay?

The threat of annihilation was in your head ... put there by Turkey to weaken your ties with the GCs ... who were the only ones that stood between Turkey and what it wanted ... Cyprus!

They are only your guests if you are brainwashed into thinking that ... you say you needed them over the course of 11 years .... Turkey with all its might, could not rescue you then, if it wanted to?

Turkey's aims are less about what the TCs want ... and all about what it wants!

Your fear of annihialation is founded and ours is dismissed well done makes you real credable.

Our guests have given us a future from the Ghettos (living with GCs) and death to a state of our own protected and financed by our guest, thank you Turkey. I know which one I will pick everytime.

Turkeys and TCs wants coincide becuase our agenda is the same, you hate to hear this I know but its the truth. The day you change our agenda is the day we will not agree with Turkey the choice is yours.

Our fears of slaughter at the hands of Turks ... were not just fears ... they were carried out!

Ours fears of losing part of our country ... were not just fears ... they actually happened!

Compare that to your unfounded paranoia and you may understand why we oppose Turkey's influence in Cyprus.

And our fears of death and persecution were imaginary in 1963?

Our fears of eonsis were not real as GCs did not want to gift Cyprus to Greece?

We were lucky were able stave off your agrresive agendas and believe me the fear of annihialation during the coup were very very real to all TCs.

where you there?

[Oracle]

Just like the threat of annihiation of the TCs?

Can your guests hold you ransom when you want them to stay?

The threat of annihilation was in your head ... put there by Turkey to weaken your ties with the GCs ... who were the only ones that stood between Turkey and what it wanted ... Cyprus!

They are only your guests if you are brainwashed into thinking that ... you say you needed them over the course of 11 years .... Turkey with all its might, could not rescue you then, if it wanted to?

Turkey's aims are less about what the TCs want ... and all about what it wants!

Your fear of annihialation is founded and ours is dismissed well done makes you real credable.

Our guests have given us a future from the Ghettos (living with GCs) and death to a state of our own protected and financed by our guest, thank you Turkey. I know which one I will pick everytime.

Turkeys and TCs wants coincide becuase our agenda is the same, you hate to hear this I know but its the truth. The day you change our agenda is the day we will not agree with Turkey the choice is yours.

Our fears of slaughter at the hands of Turks ... were not just fears ... they were carried out!

Ours fears of losing part of our country ... were not just fears ... they actually happened!

Compare that to your unfounded paranoia and you may understand why we oppose Turkey's influence in Cyprus.

And our fears of death and persecution were imaginary in 1963?

Yes clearly they were ... since how many TCs died in persecutions between 1963 and 1974?

Our fears of eonsis were not real as GCs did not want to gift Cyprus to Greece?

Again paranoia ... otherwise why did the GCs fight so hard to prevent the coup?

We were lucky were able stave off your agrresive agendas and believe me the fear of annihialation during the coup were very very real to all TCs.

The annihilation you feared during the coup was because of the actions Turkey took against the GCs ... and not because of anything the GCs did at that time.

[wallace]

These discussions of who, what and when did in the past lead nowhere. Let's see next week what President Christofias and leader Talat will bring us.......I would like to state 1 thing here though.....all TC who claim that they did not want to be a minority within the Republic of Cyprus.......what are they now????? The had more rights before the Turkish invasion. All TC are living under the occupation of the Turkish army and the 200.000 uneducated anatolian caveman that were imported to Cyprus to clearly change the demography of the island. And before all these "offended" start replying to this post the following. READ UN Resolutions 353,541 and 550 first.
These are the facts and can not be disputed

[observer]

These discussions of who, what and when did in the past lead nowhere. Let's see next week what President Christofias and leader Talat will bring us.......I would like to state 1 thing here though.....all TC who claim that they did not want to be a minority within the Republic of Cyprus.......what are they now????? The had more rights before the Turkish invasion. All TC are living under the occupation of the Turkish army and the 200.000 uneducated anatolian caveman that were imported to Cyprus to clearly change the demography of the island. And before all these "offended" start replying to this post the following. READ UN Resolutions 353,541 and 550 first.
These are the facts and can not be disputed :D

I realise that you are new, but these 'facts' can be disputed, and probably will be

[halil]

These discussions of who, what and when did in the past lead nowhere. Let's see next week what President Christofias and leader Talat will bring us.......I would like to state 1 thing here though.....all TC who claim that they did not want to be a minority within the Republic of Cyprus.......what are they now????? The had more rights before the Turkish invasion. All TC are living under the occupation of the Turkish army and the 200.000 uneducated anatolian caveman that were imported to Cyprus to clearly change the demography of the island. And before all these "offended" start replying to this post the following. READ UN Resolutions 353,541 and 550 first.
These are the facts and can not be disputed

mate ,
you ,just playing with yourself ,
you are luck man , you didn't live at enclaved are at all . TC's knows it very well .... above allagations are much , much better than living in the enclaves ....... We all knowing from where to where we came ..... That's way we are very careful this time that we can not have those bad days again ....... We all knowing what we are doing , don't worry about us ....

[wallace]

Firstly I'm not your mate.....it will take a bit more to get to that stage Secondly all settlers will have to move out of Cyprus (give and take a few can stay) and the OCCUPATION army has to go also. The Annan plan is dead and a virgin state is also out of the question. So let's see if some pseudo politicians in the North will have the balls now to sit around the table and discuss a viable solution for the island. Looking at the statements made at the moment by some that is not the case. It seems they are pulling back allready and throwing all kinds of demands on the table before a date to meet has not been established yet. The truth of the ones that do not seek a solution will come out in the nearcoming future and they will pay the price. EU aspirations for Turkey are setting feet on dangerous grounds. UN resolutions 353,541 and 550 say it all. Please read them. These are the facts and can not be disputed

[Oracle]

Firstly I'm not your mate.....it will take a bit more to get to that stage Secondly all settlers will have to move out of Cyprus (give and take a few can stay) and the OCCUPATION army has to go also. The Annan plan is dead and a virgin state is also out of the question. So let's see if some pseudo politicians in the North will have the balls now to sit around the table and discuss a viable solution for the island. Looking at the statements made at the moment by some that is not the case. It seems they are pulling back allready and throwing all kinds of demands on the table before a date to meet has not been established yet. The truth of the ones that do not seek a solution will come out in the nearcoming future and they will pay the price. EU aspirations for Turkey are setting feet on dangerous grounds. UN resolutions 353,541 and 550 say it all. Please read them. These are the facts and can not be disputed

Welcome Wallace .... good going with putting halil in his place

Any kinship to William ?

I hope we are on the same side .....

[Viewpoint]

Just like the threat of annihiation of the TCs?

Can your guests hold you ransom when you want them to stay?

The threat of annihilation was in your head ... put there by Turkey to weaken your ties with the GCs ... who were the only ones that stood between Turkey and what it wanted ... Cyprus!

They are only your guests if you are brainwashed into thinking that ... you say you needed them over the course of 11 years .... Turkey with all its might, could not rescue you then, if it wanted to?

Turkey's aims are less about what the TCs want ... and all about what it wants!

Your fear of annihialation is founded and ours is dismissed well done makes you real credable.

Our guests have given us a future from the Ghettos (living with GCs) and death to a state of our own protected and financed by our guest, thank you Turkey. I know which one I will pick everytime.

Turkeys and TCs wants coincide becuase our agenda is the same, you hate to hear this I know but its the truth. The day you change our agenda is the day we will not agree with Turkey the choice is yours.

Our fears of slaughter at the hands of Turks ... were not just fears ... they were carried out!

Ours fears of losing part of our country ... were not just fears ... they actually happened!

Compare that to your unfounded paranoia and you may understand why we oppose Turkey's influence in Cyprus.

And our fears of death and persecution were imaginary in 1963?

Yes clearly they were ... since how many TCs died in persecutions between 1963 and 1974?

Our fears of eonsis were not real as GCs did not want to gift Cyprus to Greece?

Again paranoia ... otherwise why did the GCs fight so hard to prevent the coup?

We were lucky were able stave off your agrresive agendas and believe me the fear of annihialation during the coup were very very real to all TCs.

The annihilation you feared during the coup was because of the actions Turkey took against the GCs ... and not because of anything the GCs did at that time.

What can you say or even argue with someone who's brain is so closed to the wrongs that were inflicted by their community. You are a lost cause and no amount of logic will even make an scratch on your lack of understanding of the facts and what your community did to divide this island. You are the majority you wanted to unite us with Greece with or even better without the TCs when that was stopped you had to concede concession which even you put your signature to you reneged and indirectly supported the discrimination and persecution of the TCs where were your application of human rights and democracy then when my people were suffering???

Our fears and concerns are non-existent while yours are paramount, stinks to high hell of double standards and warped minds, both sides suffered you need to acknowledge this and move forward. You were the larger community and were obligated to unite the whole of the island not reduce us to second class status, people are still alive to remember your actions so living in denial is your problem not mine as this will never allow you to progress, you should realize that you do more bad than good and contribute to division and confirming why we should never trust GCs.

[Viewpoint]

Firstly I'm not your mate.....it will take a bit more to get to that stage Secondly all settlers will have to move out of Cyprus (give and take a few can stay) and the OCCUPATION army has to go also. The Annan plan is dead and a virgin state is also out of the question. So let's see if some pseudo politicians in the North will have the balls now to sit around the table and discuss a viable solution for the island. Looking at the statements made at the moment by some that is not the case. It seems they are pulling back allready and throwing all kinds of demands on the table before a date to meet has not been established yet. The truth of the ones that do not seek a solution will come out in the nearcoming future and they will pay the price. EU aspirations for Turkey are setting feet on dangerous grounds. UN resolutions 353,541 and 550 say it all. Please read them. These are the facts and can not be disputed

Do you think the UN will start from scratch? the demonized AP will be used as a basis for negotiations no one would dare scrap all that work and start from zero, you must be crazy if you believe this. Never forget that the GCs will be under the greater pressure to compromise as they have rejected a UN internationally backed plan once and another failure will be another reason for recognition, so the likelihood of GCs going to the table very low as they are lacking the balls and will not take the risk, if they do then TCs will stall at the table to show the world that we cannot agree with the GCs and that the TRNC should be recognized, but imo the GCs will back out first they have more to lose another rejection would be fatal, lets see which side is going to crack under pressure.

The ex AP committees were recalled in the north to cocktail held by President Talat, looks like the old teams will return to the AP...

[wallace]

Using blocks out of the AP is not the issue here. The issue is that it can not be used as a basis. Using it as a basis means you will use the existing plan and negotiate from that stage. This plan was rejected and will be rejected again by the GC. And offcourse the TC and Turkey will stall.....they have been doing that the last 33 years! The interests for the Turks on the island should be taken out of the plan. Did you even read the plan before discussing it on a forum? Well.....I did. And believe me....this plan was in no interest for the GC nor the TC. And the recognition option is totally out of the question. Who will recognise the so called TRNC? Only Turky otherwise it means they will have to demolish the UN. If the UN goes against their own resolutions the whole world will see them as a big joke Lets give the Kurds a state aswell while we are at it. The last chance threats and all kind off bullshit we've heard enough the last couple of years, but there is some truth in it. It's the last chance for Turkey to compromise or forget their EU aspirations.

P.S. I have noticed in various threads that when it get's a little tough for you you allways mention what happened in the past and go back to before 74. At least there is some GC that admit that mistakes were made. Unfortunatly we do not see these kind of statements from Turks or TC. Allways need 2 to tango.....so 2 are to blame. Stop crying and let's find a solution for the CYPRIOTS.....not anybody else who has interests on the island