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[boomerang]

.... I recall that leaflets in Turkish and Greek was dropped from aircraft. Somebody posted something about it. Anyone remember? The object of the military action was stated. A pointless exercise but just something niggling me.

... About as trustworthy as when they told the Armenians they were just going for a walk ....

Just as pointless as expecting the TCs to fight along with the GCs who since 1963 has been trying to dominate, who had been killing and trying to 'starve' into submission - if they had their way.

Either you have no clue what went on prior to 1974 or choose to bury your head in the sand a la Ostrich, so you can pour out your venom.

Grow up girl.

Deniz are you saying all GCS were dominating, kiling and trying to starve into submission the tcs?

Well atleast it explains the reasons behind the ethnic cleansing doesn't it...

Boomerang it certainly does not mean that. Events have proved it, but the climate at the time would not have been conducive to judge who is Eoka B, Left wing, right wing, Supporters of this or that. In that climate, unfortunately all get tarnished with the same brush. Only after the dust has settled down and after the fact do things appear more clearly.

Did any prominent GC at the time lift a finger up and say, hey , what are we doing to the TCs? I am suresome have 'thought' it, but action speaks louder than words.

Let us look at it from a different perspective Deniz...

with your logic since 1/3 of the population was uprooted from their homes, you can't blame them for having ill feelings towards the turks then...can you?...or even the tcs for that fact...

Nothing compares to what "turkey=fascist state" did to Cyprus since 74...

Simply "turkey=fascist state" abused her guarantor powers...and using the same words as you, action indeed speaks louder than words...

The legitimate government of the Zurich agreement does not exist so who was Turkey supposed to hand back to Boomers.......This will not go away you know.......What the likes of Tpap have done to the country is equal in loudness....

There is only one legite government and the quicker you get used to the idea the quicker we can move forward...

I call upon you to embrase what the rest of the world accepts...even "turkey=fascist state" has already e,mbraced it...

See the acceptance of the YES from the EU for clarification...see the penalty for not honouring signatures for further more clarificarion...

PS...so you saying what "turkey=fascist state" was correct in evicting people coz, according to your thinking there was no one to hand back the RoC...The question is why didn't "turkey=fascist state" re-install the, by insistence the rightfull government?

[zan]

.... such was Turkey's urgency to invade Cyprus that Ecevit flew to London to ask them to intervene along with Turkey aginst the Greek forces.

To answer Oracles question "At what point did Turkey tell the GCs who were fighting the coupists that it was there to assist them?" ... right at the very begining, having asked Britain for assistance (not given) and having asked Greece to stop (refused).

Well it answers my question in as much as saying ...

At no point did Turkey communicate with the GCs who were themselves already in the process of terminating the coup.

Turkey did not seek alliance with the GCs ... it did not intervene to assist, but it invaded to gain for itself.

Turkey may have communicated with US, and UK and even Greece ... but at no point did they communicate with the GCs who were at the forefront of the resistance to the coup.

So why did Turkey not only by-pass the GCs but also join in killing them?

And 1963 didn't happen and the murders did not happen and the isolation did not happen and the coup did not happen...How many chances did you expect to get

Are you capable of answering the question Zan .. or are you just showing us your face?

Otherwise kindly leave it to observer ....

The question has been answered a hundred times but it seems you are too slow to get it......Turkey has interests in Cyprus...Big news.... That takes nothing away from the way we were treated in our own country as Turkish Cypriots...That is what you are trying to do though

Why are bothering to post? ... you sound bored with your own rhetoric

So basically, you agree it was all a pretext by Turkey to ethnically cleanse the north of GCs .....

The dye was cast by the Greek regimes dear lady.....As we have said before...The Cyprus problem did not start in 1974.......

But Turkey is here, now, because it was restoring peace as a guarantor power ... or are you calling them liers?

Turkey came after great provocation......simple......When the Zurich agreement is reinstated in full then Turkey has no option but to leave and resume it's status as a guarantor power.

[Oracle]

.... such was Turkey's urgency to invade Cyprus that Ecevit flew to London to ask them to intervene along with Turkey aginst the Greek forces.

To answer Oracles question "At what point did Turkey tell the GCs who were fighting the coupists that it was there to assist them?" ... right at the very begining, having asked Britain for assistance (not given) and having asked Greece to stop (refused).

Well it answers my question in as much as saying ...

At no point did Turkey communicate with the GCs who were themselves already in the process of terminating the coup.

Turkey did not seek alliance with the GCs ... it did not intervene to assist, but it invaded to gain for itself.

Turkey may have communicated with US, and UK and even Greece ... but at no point did they communicate with the GCs who were at the forefront of the resistance to the coup.

So why did Turkey not only by-pass the GCs but also join in killing them?

And 1963 didn't happen and the murders did not happen and the isolation did not happen and the coup did not happen...How many chances did you expect to get

Are you capable of answering the question Zan .. or are you just showing us your face?

Otherwise kindly leave it to observer ....

The question has been answered a hundred times but it seems you are too slow to get it......Turkey has interests in Cyprus...Big news.... That takes nothing away from the way we were treated in our own country as Turkish Cypriots...That is what you are trying to do though

Why are bothering to post? ... you sound bored with your own rhetoric

So basically, you agree it was all a pretext by Turkey to ethnically cleanse the north of GCs .....

The dye was cast by the Greek regimes dear lady.....As we have said before...The Cyprus problem did not start in 1974.......

But Turkey is here, now, because it was restoring peace as a guarantor power ... or are you [b]calling them liers[/b]?

liers

Well done! ... knew you'd be useful one day ...

Correction Deniz says:

Turkey tell lies

Because

Turkey are liars

Time for bed .....

[observer]

Amid all the name calling and pointless abuse, there are some questions to be answered.

Firstly, did/does Turkey have a long term aim to divide Cyprus? The evidence of the events of 1974 doesn’t seem to suggest it. Turkey asked UK to help; London didn’t help. Turkey asked Greece to stop; Greece didn’t. If either of these events had happened Turkey would not have been in a position to launch the intervention in the way it did. GCs have posted maps issued before the event, showing a division of the island, but when seen in context, these maps were always a proposal to solve ‘the Cyprus problem’, the problem being that GCs wanted enosis, TCs didn’t.

Secondly, why didn’t Turkey consult with the anti-coupists? In the situation immediately after the coup, Cyprus was in chaos. Even TCs in Cyprus would not have much idea how to contact the anti-coupists, and had mostly retreated to the enclaves, fearing violence against them (which later happened). By 20 July most of GC controlled territory was in the hands of the coupists and the Greek Army. Listening to the GC rhetoric of the previous 20 years, and the actions of the GCs over the preceding 11 years, any reasonable person would have concluded that the vast majority of GCs were in favour of enosis. Even Papadopoulos, an anti-coupist, had co-written the Akritas Plan aimed at enosis, so it is difficult to see who Turkey could have contacted, and even more difficult to see how they could have contacted the anti-coupists, even if they knew who they were.

Thirdly, why did Turkey not restore the 1960 Constitution? The 1960 Constitution was dead. It entered the terminally ill ward in 1963, and was dealt its death blow on July 15th 1974. At the Zurich Conference both community leaders, Clerides and Denktaş said that they did not want it and would negotiate a BBF. The only way after that for Turkey to restore the 1960 Constitution would be to invade the rest of the island and hold elections under a military occupation.

[Viewpoint]

Why did they GCs attack their Turkish Army on the beaches???

[observer]

Why did they GCs attack their Turkish Army on the beaches???

Because they were there.

[wallace]

Their Turkish army? Because their turkish army was bombing innocent people. What do some people not understand here? I hear terms like peace operation. I hear terms like.....they couldn't do different.

Terms like;

We are there to help you, not to hurt.
We are there with love, not with hate.
We are there not to fight you but to end your plight."

Looking at the situation now whilest 200.000 GC's have been driven out of their homes with force and missing persons are found with bullit wholes in the back of the head and their hands tight to their backs some people still dare to call it a peace operation. I sometimes wonder where these wise statements come from

[Nikitas]

The wise statements come from the usual wise guys on this forum. Peace operation my eye!

[74LB]

Because their turkish army was bombing innocent people. What do some people not understand here? I hear terms like peace operation. I hear terms like....

I was in a village just outside Famagusta (Karakol - couple of hundred TC's at most) and around 10:00 on 20th July all hell broke loose. Bombs, gunfire, tank-fire, you name it, we received it.

And I can assure you there was no Turkish army in sight.

[Oracle]

Because their turkish army was bombing innocent people. What do some people not understand here? I hear terms like peace operation. I hear terms like....

I was in a village just outside Famagusta (Karakol - couple of hundred TC's at most) and around 10:00 on 20th July all hell broke loose. Bombs, gunfire, tank-fire, you name it, we received it.

And I can assure you there was no Turkish army in sight.

Why ... did they get frightened and hide?


Strange that there is never a badly behaved Turk when there is another Turk in view ....