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[Big Al]

hahahaha try and put up a greek flag now on kardak you fool, shit our pants what a joke. The Kardak issue was seen all over the world as another win for Turkey, if it had been a greek island for centuries as the greeks claim i dare anyone on this forum to go and plant a greek flag on it....the response will show you who the winner was on the Kardak issue..
You are so full of greek verbal diahrea (propoganda) thats its almost comical.

[boomerang]

hahahaha try and put up a greek flag now on kardak you fool, shit our pants what a joke. The Kardak issue was seen all over the world as another win for Turkey, if it had been a greek island for centuries as the greeks claim i dare anyone on this forum to go and plant a greek flag on it....the response will show you who the winner was on the Kardak issue..
You are so full of greek verbal diahrea (propoganda) thats its almost comical.

And who removed you beloved "turkish=fascist state" flag in front of the whole world...And I guess you haven't read the Clinton biograpghy were your prime minister begged Clinton to intervene...

I suggest you buy a copy prior to opening your mouth...Its there in black and white buddy...the "turk=fascist person" begging Clinton to intervene coz the Greeks were going to war...millions read it...well with the exception of fools...

As far as Imia...I think it's pretty well guarded....If not why not attempt to put another flag on it...simple really...well for some...

PS...I wouldn't call the Clinton biography comical, unless of cource you are a "turk=fascist person"

If you are too poor to buy the book let me know and I will paste it here for you to read and whip... What do you say up for the challenge little Al

[Big Al]

Put up the Greek flag then Mr Boomerang, otherwise its just greek propoganda spewing our of your mouth again. You do know that "biography's" arent actually written by the Clintons dont you?? or are you stupid or something???
As i said, someone put up a greek flag on it (since its a greek island) and i will eat my words, or are you saying that even though its your island you cant put up your flag on it????

[BC Numismatics]

Big Al,Cyprus isn't a Greek island,nor is it a Turkish island.Cyprus is a Cypriot island.

It's a shame that you Turks are so bloody dense & can't see past your bloody noses!

Aidan.

[Big Al]

Aidan,
so glad your back, mate i have been really nice to you, why do you persist in being rude to me????

[boomerang]

Put up the Greek flag then Mr Boomerang, otherwise its just greek propoganda spewing our of your mouth again. You do know that "biography's" arent actually written by the Clintons dont you?? or are you stupid or something???
As i said, someone put up a greek flag on it (since its a greek island) and i will eat my words, or are you saying that even though its your island you cant put up your flag on it????

YOU are not this guys big bro by any chance?



1...who lowered your beloved flag from Imia...your eternal enemy that is who...in 95 you shot an armed civilian for trying to lower it in the buffer zone...what happened...lost your cojones during the lowering?...I hate to think how many suicides occured during the lowering...

2...Are you saying you are too poor to buy the Clinton book?

3...Greek fishermen fish around it all the time and you do not see any "turks=fascist people" around...you know why?

3...No one is obsessed with their flag as the "turks=fascist people" are...fact...

PS...so you have no problem that what is written in the Clinton book...your only defence is that it was written by others...any proof of that...

here you go comical Ali yo can buy it here...Its called My life
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0375414576/presidents

[Big Al]

So are you going to put up your flag on your island?????????
I mean its your island right?? and the turks are scared of you right?? your very strong right?? so then put up your flag and give it to those turks....cmon boomerang show us what real men you greeks are.

[boomerang]

So are you going to put up your flag on your island?????????
I mean its your island right?? and the turks are scared of you right?? your very strong right?? so then put up your flag and give it to those turks....cmon boomerang show us what real men you greeks are.

Greece, Turkey circle island each says is theirs

January 30, 1996
Web posted at: 11:20 a.m. EST (1620 GMT)

ATHENS, Greece (CNN) -- Greek and Turkish naval forces shadowed each other in the eastern Aegean Sea Tuesday, as conflicting claims intensified between the governments over an unpopulated 10-acre islet.

The two countries called on each other to pull back rival warships around the disputed territory.

In Ankara, the Greek ambassador was summoned to the foreign ministry where Turkey called "for the immediate withdrawal of Greek ships" from around the tiny rock island.

In Athens, Defense Minister Gerassimos Arsenis said, "We do not want escalation of the crisis. If the other side is sincere and also wants de-escalation, it should remove its (military) presence from the area, from our waters, from our airspace."


There were reports that the entire Greek fleet was ordered to sail toward the Dodecanese island chain in the eastern Aegean, where the islet is located. But, the Defense Ministry press office would only say that some ships were in the area. Air force jets were ready to take off within two minutes, if necessary, military sources said.

Arsenis said a Turkish frigate and helicopter had violated Greek air and sea space early Tuesday around the islet, which Greece calls Imia and Turkey calls Kardak. Greek forces warned the frigate to turn back, Arsenis said. No warning shots were fired.

"The islet of Imia is Greek and it is the responsibility of the armed forces to defend Greek territory, and they are in a position to defend it," Arsenis said.

On Monday, Greek Premier Costas Simitis warned Turkey that Greece would not tolerate questioning of its sovereign rights. Turkish Prime Minister Tansu Ciller responded similarly, demanding that Greek forces be withdrawn and that the Greek flag be taken down from the island.

"Turkey will by no means give up its sovereignty rights," Ciller said. "It is part of Turkey's territory. . . . We will put our full decisiveness behind it."

The crisis between the two NATO allies appears to be their worst since 1987 when they nearly went to war after Turkey tried to send an oil-drilling ship into disputed waters in the Aegean.


In 1974, the two sides narrowly escaped another clash after Turkey invaded and occupied the northern part of Cyprus, an independent Mediterranean island populated by people of Turkish and Greek descent.

The islet is made up of two barren rocks spanning 10 acres. The conflicting claims emerged late last month after a Turkish ship ran aground near the islet and refused assistance from the Greek coast guard, saying it was on Turkish territory.

The Turkish government backed the ship's claim that the island was Turkish. The Greeks promptly gave notice that the island was theirs.

The low-level dispute remained a diplomatic one for nearly a month. But last Wednesday, a private Greek television station, Antenna TV, reported on the situation, giving rise to news stories in the Greek media about Turkish commandos invading Greece.

Turkey has called for a dialogue to settle the issue, and the broader question of air and sea rights. Greece says there is nothing to discuss and that the islet belongs to it under a 1947 convention in which Italy ceded the Dodecanese islands to Greece. Italy had taken them from Turkey under an agreement in 1932.

The islet is about 12 miles from the Greek island of Kalimnos and nearly four miles off the Turkish coast.

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9601/turkey_greece_dispute/index.html

From I gather comical Al the Greek flag is flying...but I do not see the "turkish=fascist state" flying any flags...The only flag you are flying is a used monthly one

[Big Al]

if you believe the greek flag is flying over Kardak you are saadly mistaken, but you being such a big, strong greek man should be able to put one up right????

[boomerang]

if you believe the greek flag is flying over Kardak you are saadly mistaken, but you being such a big, strong greek man should be able to put one up right????

Yeah I guess its poor only me and everyone that reads the CNN article that believes that the Greek flag is flying...

So yu want me to fly from OZ and put a Greek flag next to the one thats already there to prove what exactly...That I can travel or what?

How old are you again?

oh here is another article

Greek flag row gets Turkish goat
Independent, The (London), Jan 30, 1996 by HUGH POPE
E-mail Print Link No better symbol of the pettiness of Turkish-Greek conflicts could have presented itself than a barren group of rocky islands in the Aegean, which has abruptly become the object of a "war of the flags" between the two countries.

The fuss started on 26 December when a Turkish coaster ran aground on the guano-covered archipelago, known as Imia in Greek or Kardak in Turkish. The islands - whose only inhabitants are goats - are about halfway between the Greek island of Kalymnos and Turkey's Bodrum peninsula, a magnet for British tourists.

The coaster's captain initially refused to be towed off by expensive Greek tugs. The two foreign ministries exchanged notes. And that should have been an end to it.


More » But the mass media of the two countries had scented a story. Right-wing Greek media, possibly keen on a situation that could embarrass the new socialist government, highlighted the mayor of Kalymnos's decision to assert Greek sovereignty by driving a stake into the rocks and tying a Greek flag to it.

A conservative Turkish media group that is often quick to attack Greece responded on Saturday, flying a journalist to the rock by helicopter, ripping down the Hellenic stripes and running up the star and crescent.

By Sunday, it was the Greek navy that had sailed in to put the Greek flag up again. Turkish coastguard cutters moved up. Ambassadors were summoned in capitals and the allies of the fractious Nato members were informed. "This is the kind of dispute that only a Turk or a Greek can understand," said a foreign diplomat in Ankara. "The rest of the world can only throw up its hands in disbelief."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19960130/ai_n9631371

and another

The story
The Turkish behaviour against its neighbourhood countries was always aggressive. The policy of offending neighbours and demanding the change of the boundaries was always the centre of the Turkish foreign diplomacy.

Today some people in turkey dreamed the expansion over a remote, yet strategic islet called Imia, which is part of the Dodecanese and it is located close to the well known island of Kos.

As it is the usual Turkish policy they appear aggressive in order to avoid a conflict the offended would accept a `dialogue' over non existent issues.

Usually the Turkish intelligence appoints a `civilian' Turk to generate an episode, then the foreign ministry claims that this is a new problem which is a useful diplomatic argument in future discussions. That is the reason why the Greek government is not willing to discuss the problem, how would you like the US. government to discuss the future of Texas with Mexico, Because some Mexicans raised the Mexican flag in Texas.

In this particular incident the story is as follows:

During the last week two Turkish journalists escorted Turkish fishermen on their landing on the Greek isle Imia. They took down the Greek flag and raised the Turkish one. I quote the ``Turkish Daily news'' which refers to the Turkish foreign-minister.

"It is not possible to create sovereignty by de facto situations and fait accompli," Akbel said, referring to the Greek move to remove a Turkish flag on the rocks and to hoist back the Greek one. I read pussies comical ali

Greece responded rapidly and a small Hellenic special force group landed on the isle to prevent further Turkish `visits'. At this point the Turks had sent a patrol boat which was stuck in the Greek waters. The Hellenic response was furious and immediate, the fleet was dispatched from the ports and it took positions all over the Greek Aegean see.

At present the Turkish fleet is also in the move. Moreover the Turkish plains deliberately flight into the Greek aerial space were they are turned back by the Hellenic airforce.

http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/~kap/Aegean/mypage/node2.html

they all liars...