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[Oracle]

OP, I too ask you to turn your idea around. I would suggest to you that the answers you seek can be found within yourself. What makes you think that you a "Greek" is superior to a "Turk"? we are all equal, and in each one of us there is this duality of "Good and Evil". Why not try the Umit7 experiment yourself?

I did ...
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=70

Then I concluded Humans cannot advance by stagnation brought on by seeing the other side:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus16130.html

[denizaksulu]

Whilst looking at a map of Cyprus, with its curving scar, the "Attila Line" ..... I was reminded of the Yin-Yang symbol.

The dark, negative, bad force of the Turks in the north and the light, positive, good Yang of the Cypriots in the south.

No doubt we are opposing forces.

But just as in good there is always a little bit of evil, in evil there is always a little bit of good ...

How can we tap into the "good" bit of the Turks? .... and make them realise the Golden Rule of Confucius:

"What one does not wish for oneself, one ought not to do to anyone else; what one recognises as desirable for oneself, one ought to be willing to grant to others."
Why does Turkey do to others, what it does not wish others, to do to it?

What can we do to make Turkey see the light?

I have been saying this to the GCs for a very long time.

What goes around, comes around.

Deniz ... could you not have used a different colour?... you have made the whole quote look messy now ...

Tidy up ....

You stole my colour, so I stuck with the smaller font.

When hubby arrives, you can nag him for a change.

[repulsewarrior]

...but if you want "Turks" to take from your "good", by your own premise, wouldn't that mean taking from their "evil"?

...andwhatabout "the blend"?

"What one does not wish for oneself, one ought not to do to anyone else; what one recognises as desirable for oneself, one ought to be willing to grant to others."

[Oracle]

...but if you want "Turks" to take from your "good", by your own premise, wouldn't that mean taking from their "evil"?

But just as in good there is always a little bit of evil, in evil there is always a little bit of good ...

I am not asking them to take from our good.

I am assuming they already have a little bit of good of their own, despite the overwhelming evil they have conducted over the centuries.

Then I asked:

How can we tap into the "good" bit of the Turks?

How can we entice out that little bit of good that surely must exist in the Turk as well ....
What can we give them?

and whatabout "the blend"?

"What one does not wish for oneself, one ought not to do to anyone else; what one recognises as desirable for oneself, one ought to be willing to grant to others."

At the moment we are not blended, we are opposing forces, separated by a line, like Yin and Yang.

As for the Golden Rule ....

By realising we are only fooling ourselves when we think we can see the other side (and hence make errors through bad judgement) ... I am re-iterating Confucius, accepting this premise and instead just advocating practicing ...


"What one does not wish for oneself, one ought not to do to anyone else; what one recognises as desirable for oneself, one ought to be willing to grant to others."

You cannot see the other side ... despite what you think.

Therefore, instead, just treat the other side how you would like to be treated ... then it is easier.

So would Turkey have done to itself what it has done to the Greeks and the Cypriots, the Armenians and the Kurds? ...

.......... if it had applied that simple rule .....

[humanist]

Oracle

What can we do to make Turkey see the light?

My dear oracle, the more time I spend reading posts on this forum I am beginning to believe that Turkey ids not the enemy but the Turkish speaking Cypriots.

It is beyond me how so called compatriots can and do feel okay with occupying homes that do not belong to them, support the regime that promotes thia and furthermore indulge Turkey to continue violating human rights infact they are violating human rights of their compatriots whom they view as "pigs" as one members described Greek speaking Cypriots.

[Viewpoint]

Oracle

What can we do to make Turkey see the light?

My dear oracle, the more time I spend reading posts on this forum I am beginning to believe that Turkey ids not the enemy but the Turkish speaking Cypriots.

It is beyond me how so called compatriots can and do feel okay with occupying homes that do not belong to them, support the regime that promotes thia and furthermore indulge Turkey to continue violating human rights infact they are violating human rights of their compatriots whom they view as "pigs" as one members described Greek speaking Cypriots.

Do you think it any different from our "compatriots" that turned a blind eye to our suffering in 1963 to 1974? without the benefit you enjoy today, who do think is worse off? the GCs of today or the TCs of the past??? please try to dig deep into your consience and start seeing the reality of the situation.

[Oracle]

Oracle

What can we do to make Turkey see the light?

My dear oracle, the more time I spend reading posts on this forum I am beginning to believe that Turkey ids not the enemy but the Turkish speaking Cypriots.

It is beyond me how so called compatriots can and do feel okay with occupying homes that do not belong to them, support the regime that promotes thia and furthermore indulge Turkey to continue violating human rights infact they are violating human rights of their compatriots whom they view as "pigs" as one members described Greek speaking Cypriots.

You speak from a disillusioned perspective, and it is very sad to hear your lost hope and optimism.

The way I see it is that Turkey have always been the enemy, for centuries, with unrelenting violation of all the people in these regions.

From personal experience, again Turkey is the enemy, as they were responsible for the extensive bombing and Napalm campaign of us civilians back in 1964.

Once again, Turkey were responsible for the invasion of 1974.

Turkey is the enemy.

Unfortunately the TCs only looked out for themselves and so sided with the stronger force... the enemy Turkey.

Over the years they have indeed become more Turkified with the over-exposure that they receive in the north.

Have we lost the TCs forever or can they still be saved and be a part of a European Cyprus without influence from Turkey?

The TCs chose Turkey above their fellow Cypriots ..... that is hard to swallow ... like being let down by a friendly neighbour (TCs) who prefers a quick buck (from the enemy) to the long-term good of the neighbourhood (Cyprus).

Since Turkey is the enemy, only they can end the occupation ... the TCs have nothing to do with discussing the long-term good of Cyprus ... they have opted out of responsibility .....

[Viewpoint]

Its like being let down by your neighbour who turns a blind eye during your time of suffering and then wants you buried alive and out or the way so that they can gift your homeland to Greece, would you side with such a neighbour who turned a blind eye for 11 years or woudl you grab the hand of hope and survival.

[boomerang]

Its like being let down by your neighbour who turns a blind eye during your time of suffering and then wants you buried alive and out or the way so that they can gift your homeland to Greece, would you side with such a neighbour who turned a blind eye for 11 years or woudl you grab the hand of hope and survival.

You weren't the only one that was terrorised...you make it sound that everyone was agianst the tcs, which is a long way from the truth...

If all the gcs were against the tcs you wouldn't have survived the onslaught...It would have been over within 2 weeks...

The straw that broke the camels back was the coup and enosis...we fought against the coup our worsed nightmare, and you back stabbed us...

[Viewpoint]

Its like being let down by your neighbour who turns a blind eye during your time of suffering and then wants you buried alive and out or the way so that they can gift your homeland to Greece, would you side with such a neighbour who turned a blind eye for 11 years or woudl you grab the hand of hope and survival.

You weren't the only one that was terrorised...you make it sound that everyone was agianst the tcs, which is a long way from the truth...

If all the gcs were against the tcs you wouldn't have survived the onslaught...It would have been over within 2 weeks...

The straw that broke the camels back was the coup and enosis...we fought against the coup our worsed nightmare, and you back stabbed us...

After 11 years of GC domination and discrimination what did you expect us to do? support those that voted 99% for enosis.