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[zan]

Me too hoping one day ICJ will handle the events in Cyprus frm 1963 -1974 ..... that everything will be come out all the criminals will be charged and fined. Insallah......Insallah ..... Insallah

Well, dear Halil, Turkey has had a great opportunity to have the ICJ examine both the events of 1963 -1974, on the basis of her claims vis-a-vie the "illegality" of the RoC after 1963, and also the RoC claims regarding the illegality of the 1974 Turkish invasion and subsequent occupation, had it accepted just one of the RoC invitations to proceed together to the ICJ. Turkey refused! Does this ring any bells to you? It does many to me, the loudest one being that Turkey doesn’t believe nor has faith in what she claims, both for the 1963-74 period and the 1974 invasion! She simply feels what every body else in the international community does, i.e. that she has no case to prove!

Which government was she supposed to deal with matey???? The GC one in which recognition of the illegal government would have been sealed

you call us blind for not accepting the realities on the ground of a separate state recognised by no one apart from turkey...yet you call a member state of the EU and the UN as illegal.

Bifocals anyone?

And SO?????? I call you blind because you being illegal IS the reality on the ground...I don't care what tricks were pulled to get you recognised as the legitimate government........YOU ARE NOT THE LEGHAL GOVERNMENT OF THE CYPRUS REPUBLIC....Simple as that......This is a case of either two wrongs making a right or just two rights one of which that has not happened yet. You are just taking half of the facts on the ground!!!!Bifocals will not correct your thinking but Bi-fairness!!!!

[Get Real!]

deniz they were suffereing on the beaches and losing men so they had to attack from the air and drop paras to attack from the rear and break the GC strong hold on the beaches. Dont you remember the shooting of the soldiers in the air by GCs? thats why decoys were used and that meant more soldiers made it to the ground, hardly a welcome you would stop to acknowledge all hell has broken loose.

Tell me about it VP. It certainly wasnt a walkover. They were surprised at the exact landing spots but were in a good position to bring up reinforcements and 'greet' the Turkish Army.

When we take the EVIDENCE (not VP’s manufactured rubbish) into account we can establish that…

1. There was no GC resistance on the northern beaches of Cyprus where the Turks landed, according to the US senate report AND the pictures we can clearly see of soldiers and equipment landing very calmly.

2. Turkish loses were around 800 men, according to the US senate report, mostly caused by their own shortcomings.

There was NOTHING heroic about the Turkish invasion as the Turkish military would like the foolish and naive Turkish Cypriots to believe, make no mistake...

[zan]

deniz they were suffereing on the beaches and losing men so they had to attack from the air and drop paras to attack from the rear and break the GC strong hold on the beaches. Dont you remember the shooting of the soldiers in the air by GCs? thats why decoys were used and that meant more soldiers made it to the ground, hardly a welcome you would stop to acknowledge all hell has broken loose.

Tell me about it VP. It certainly wasnt a walkover. They were surprised at the exact landing spots but were in a good position to bring up reinforcements and 'greet' the Turkish Army.

When we take the EVIDENCE (not VP’s manufactured rubbish) into account we can establish that…

1. There was no GC resistance on the northern beaches of Cyprus where the Turks landed, according to the US senate report AND the pictures we can clearly see of soldiers and equipment landing very calmly.

2. Turkish loses were around 800 men, according to the US senate report, mostly caused by their own shortcomings.

There was NOTHING heroic about the Turkish invasion as the Turkish military would like the foolish and naive Turkish Cypriots to believe, make no mistake...

The more you try to distort the truth the more resistance you will face from all these naive TCs GR.....I for one welcome your lies...It shows what we are up against!!!


(Classic, if mysterious, picture of Turkish F-100 bombing a Cypriot patrol boat in 1974. Is this Phaethon?)

If anyone has any more details about this surface engagement, rare in the modern world, then let me know! I am sure that someone has more to offer here…

At around daybreak, the Turkish forces land at Pentemili on the northern coast. The landings are a mixed bag, with heavy casualities taken and given. The beachhead never expands much further than a few miles.

(Another Turkish LSM unloading at Pentemili, maybe even the same one as above)

The destroyers conduct all-day fire support on the Greek positions ashore. By the late morning, Cypriot defensive fire begins to take a toll on the Pentemili beachhead. This is compounded by short shots from the Turkish destroyers offshore.

At the same time, a diversionary landing attempt at Glykiotisa, near the village of Tembos is a disaster. The five LCUs and the 600 soldiers on them could not make the landing safely and proceeded to Pentemili instead.

That morning, the Greek Navy landing ship Lesbos was ordered to Pafos, which was some 50 miles away from her current position. Lesbos was carrying 450 soldiers of the Greek Army of Cyprus.

This ship was the L-172 Lesbos (formerly the LST 511-1152 class USS Boone County (LST-389), transferred to the Greek Navy in June 1960.

By the afternoon, the Lesbos had arrived at Pafos. She opened fire on Turkish-Cypriot soldiers there and her 450 soldiers disembarked and soon joined up with other Greek units. The Turkish Command believed this was the first sign of a larger Greek naval effort and detached three destroyers from the main invasion force to investigate. Unbekownst to the Turks, the Lesbos soon left the Pafos area and headed south towards Egypt.

Also in response to the Turkish landings, the Greek submarines Glavkos and Nereus were ordered to conduct patrols in the Aegean Sea. As well, the submarine Triton was ordered to patrol near Rhodes and the Proteus in the region between Smyrna and the Dardanelle Straits.

Sunday, July 21, 1974
On Sunday, the Greek Command recalled the submarines Glavkos and Nereus when they were just 90 miles west of Pafos. As well, the Greek Navy landing ship Rithemno departed Greece for Cyprus. She was carrying the 573rd Infantry Battalion and some 550 Cypriot volunteers.

That afternoon, the three Turkish destroyers sent to Pafos to investigate the Greek landings there arrived. They were the Adatepe, Kocatepe, and Tinaztepe. Aware that their transmissions were being monitored by the Turks, the Greek Intelligence officers at Pafos transmitted that it was a Greek naval force offshore. The deception worked, as the Turkish Air Force launched an airstrike on the destroyers.

The strike package consisted of 28 F-100D Super Sabers, each carrying two 750 pound bombs, and sixteen F-104G Starfighters, each carrying a single 750 pound bomb. The fighters had no particular problem finding their targets, and attacked immediately, amazingly not noticing the large Turkish flags on the ships. Since the Greek Navy also operated former USN destroyers, perhaps proper identification was lost

All three destroyers were hit and heavily damaged during the ten minute airstrike. The Kocatepe was hit the hardest, with a bomb exploding an ammunition magazine that sank her. 80 men on the Kocatepe were killed right off, and of the survivors, only 42 were later rescued by an Israeli merchant ship, which brought them to Haifa. The other two ships depart the scene and are sent to Mersina for repairs.

Captain Guven Erkaya of the Kocatepe survived, and as a future admiral, would end up being one of the leading figures of the "post-modern coup" which toppled the coalition government of pro-Islamic Prime Minister Necmettin Erbakan in 1997.

The destroyers had no choice but to shoot back to save themselves. There are conflicting reports that one of the F-104s was shot down, some reports say two or three were downed.

If anyone knows more about this incident, please let me know!

Despite this tragic mistake, Turkish fighters found several smaller Greek ships near the Cypriotic coasts on Sunday, and attacked them with unknown results.

Monday, July 22, 1974
By Monday, the Turkish invasion was still stalled on the beachhead. In the morning, the second Turkish landing force arrived off the coast of Kyrenia. The 28th Infantry Regiment included numerous armored and mechanized units, along with M47 and M48 tanks. The objective was the taking of that port and the link-up with the first beachhead. Turkish destroyers shelled Greek positions south of Ag Georgios, to soften up the landing resistance. They would continue to shell Greek positions until nightfall. At the same time an attempt by Turkish landing ships to directly enter Kyrenia Harbor was turned back.

Tuesday, July 23, 1974
Truce was called, ending the conflict.

The end…

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[boomerang]

Me too hoping one day ICJ will handle the events in Cyprus frm 1963 -1974 ..... that everything will be come out all the criminals will be charged and fined. Insallah......Insallah ..... Insallah

Well, dear Halil, Turkey has had a great opportunity to have the ICJ examine both the events of 1963 -1974, on the basis of her claims vis-a-vie the "illegality" of the RoC after 1963, and also the RoC claims regarding the illegality of the 1974 Turkish invasion and subsequent occupation, had it accepted just one of the RoC invitations to proceed together to the ICJ. Turkey refused! Does this ring any bells to you? It does many to me, the loudest one being that Turkey doesn’t believe nor has faith in what she claims, both for the 1963-74 period and the 1974 invasion! She simply feels what every body else in the international community does, i.e. that she has no case to prove!

Which government was she supposed to deal with matey???? The GC one in which recognition of the illegal government would have been sealed

you call us blind for not accepting the realities on the ground of a separate state recognised by no one apart from turkey...yet you call a member state of the EU and the UN as illegal.

Bifocals anyone?

And SO?????? I call you blind because you being illegal IS the reality on the ground...I don't care what tricks were pulled to get you recognised as the legitimate government........YOU ARE NOT THE LEGHAL GOVERNMENT OF THE CYPRUS REPUBLIC....Simple as that......This is a case of either two wrongs making a right or just two rights one of which that has not happened yet. You are just taking half of the facts on the ground!!!!Bifocals will not correct your thinking but Bi-fairness!!!!

"turkey=fascist state" recognised the RoC the day she accepted the RoC YES in order to get a date with the EU...

Anything else is to feed the masses... bon appetit

[Get Real!]

Zan, your “information” has been taken from a silly website called “Ramblings” under…

http://www.geocities.com/nmdecke/ramblings.html

…and as the author warns…

Note: Information on the small details of this conflict is amazingly difficult to find on the internet. All below has been cobbled together from numerous sources, often contradictory, and mostly vague. I gladly welcome anyone who can shed more accurate light on the events of the war.

Try again...

[zan]

Zan, your “information” has been taken from a silly website called “Ramblings” under…

http://www.geocities.com/nmdecke/ramblings.html

…and as the author warns…

Note: Information on the small details of this conflict is amazingly difficult to find on the internet. All below has been cobbled together from numerous sources, often contradictory, and mostly vague. I gladly welcome anyone who can shed more accurate light on the events of the war.

Try again...

And where did your information come from then The great GR time machine........These accounts are echoed else where also so going back to your "shoot the messenger" routine isn't going to work!!!!

[zan]

Me too hoping one day ICJ will handle the events in Cyprus frm 1963 -1974 ..... that everything will be come out all the criminals will be charged and fined. Insallah......Insallah ..... Insallah

Well, dear Halil, Turkey has had a great opportunity to have the ICJ examine both the events of 1963 -1974, on the basis of her claims vis-a-vie the "illegality" of the RoC after 1963, and also the RoC claims regarding the illegality of the 1974 Turkish invasion and subsequent occupation, had it accepted just one of the RoC invitations to proceed together to the ICJ. Turkey refused! Does this ring any bells to you? It does many to me, the loudest one being that Turkey doesn’t believe nor has faith in what she claims, both for the 1963-74 period and the 1974 invasion! She simply feels what every body else in the international community does, i.e. that she has no case to prove!

Which government was she supposed to deal with matey???? The GC one in which recognition of the illegal government would have been sealed

you call us blind for not accepting the realities on the ground of a separate state recognised by no one apart from turkey...yet you call a member state of the EU and the UN as illegal.

Bifocals anyone?

And SO?????? I call you blind because you being illegal IS the reality on the ground...I don't care what tricks were pulled to get you recognised as the legitimate government........YOU ARE NOT THE LEGHAL GOVERNMENT OF THE CYPRUS REPUBLIC....Simple as that......This is a case of either two wrongs making a right or just two rights one of which that has not happened yet. You are just taking half of the facts on the ground!!!!Bifocals will not correct your thinking but Bi-fairness!!!!

"turkey=fascist state" recognised the RoC the day she accepted the RoC YES in order to get a date with the EU...

Anything else is to feed the masses... bon appetit

You have to roll with the punches Boomers and the fact that there is no recognition of the "RoC" anywhere else and reinforcing of the illegal state says more than that one event. though it tends to repeat on one since.

[zan]

Zan, your “information” has been taken from a silly website called “Ramblings” under…

http://www.geocities.com/nmdecke/ramblings.html

…and as the author warns…

Note: Information on the small details of this conflict is amazingly difficult to find on the internet. All below has been cobbled together from numerous sources, often contradictory, and mostly vague. I gladly welcome anyone who can shed more accurate light on the events of the war.

Try again...

1974: Turkey invades Cyprus
Thousands of Turkish troops have invaded northern Cyprus after last-minute talks in the Greek capital, Athens, failed to reach a solution.
Tension has been running high in the Mediterranean island since a military coup five days ago in which President Archbishop Makarios, a Greek Cypriot, was deposed.

The coup led to fears among the Turkish Cypriot community that the Greek-backed military rulers would ignore their rights and press for unification for Cyprus with Greece or enosis.

Archbishop Makarios became the republic's first elected president in 1959 only after agreeing to give up plans for a union with Greece.

A Turkish armada of 33 ships, including troop transporters and at least 30 tanks and small landing craft, has landed on the northern coast.

Airlifted to safety

The bulk of the Greek fleet put to sea last night from the island of Salamis.

There are reports of clashes between Greek and Turkish warships near Paphos, a port in south-western Cyprus.

[color=red]Greek Cypriot forces on the island have been defending the northern coast, around Kyrenia.[/color]

The capital, Nicosia, has seen most of the fighting. Turkish paratroops and tanks have been battling for control of the airport - but they have met fierce resistance from the Greek forces.

Shops and offices in the Greek sector of the capital have been deserted since midday yesterday as rumour of the impending invasion spread.

In some parts of the city there were traffic jams as residents tried to flee to the safety of the countryside.

More than 4,500 Britons and other foreign nationals have been moved to the safety of army bases and others have been airlifted to safety in specially-chartered planes.

So far there has been no indication of the casualty figure, but it is thought the Greeks have suffered most from air strikes.

Although Greek military reports from Nicosia claim significant progress has been made against the Turkish forces. Several Turkish planes are reported to have been shot down and "enemy forces" kept out of Turkish Cypriot villages in the north of the island

The Turks have made it clear they will not settle for anything less than the removal of the newly-imposed Greek Cypriot leader Nikos Sampson.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 866521.stm

[Get Real!]

Zan, your “information” has been taken from a silly website called “Ramblings” under…

http://www.geocities.com/nmdecke/ramblings.html

…and as the author warns…

Note: Information on the small details of this conflict is amazingly difficult to find on the internet. All below has been cobbled together from numerous sources, often contradictory, and mostly vague. I gladly welcome anyone who can shed more accurate light on the events of the war.

Try again...

And where did your information come from then The great GR time machine........These accounts are echoed else where also so going back to your "shoot the messenger" routine isn't going to work!!!!

Mine came from here...

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/conseque ... senate.htm

From the report, ACrisis on Cyprus,@ A Study Mission Report prepared for use of the Subcommittee to Investigate Problems Connected with Refugees and Escapees of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 93rd Congress, 2nd session, October 14, 1974.

[zan]

The history of Cyprus has been formed by the various peoples arriving at that beautiful island for tens of thousands of years, some of the more recent being Greeks, Romans, Byzantine, Crusaders, Ottoman Turks and British. The Ottoman Turks conquered the island in 1571 and were forced to make an agreement with Great Britain in 1878 which gave the British authority. When the Ottoman Empire collapsed after the first World War, Britain annexed the island fully with its mixture of a majority Greek population and a Turkish minority. After the end of the second World War Greek partisans formed the EOKA freedom movement which fought the British until 1960, obtaining independence for the island. The Turkish population constituting probably 20-25% of the population was largely neutral in this effort. The new Cypriot state guaranteed, together with Greece, Turkey and Britain, the rights of the Turkish minority and they were given a place in a common parliament. Soon after, however, prosecution and harassment took place against the Turkish minority and it came to clashes in 1960, 1963 and 1970 at which time the Turkish Air Force intervened. From 1964 onwards peace troops from the United Nations subsequently separated the two populations. The situation deteriorated in 1967 when the Greek military took power in Greece and the country was declared a republic in 1973. Greece claimed Cyprus as a part of the motherland. Since the events in 1974 Cyprus has been divided into two parts according to population, a southern Greek and a northern Turkish divided by a United Nations "line of peace".



Pre-operation events

On July 15, 1974 the Greek Nikos Sampson initiated a military coup on Cyprus and Archbishop Makarios was forced to abdicate his position as president. This event and an escalation of attacks on the Turkish minority caused great concern in Turkey.

By the 16th Turkish military forces were put on high alert and several units went ahead with their wartime deployments. Light T-37C FAC and attack aircraft of the 122. Filo pilot training squadron at Çigli were dispersed to Çumaovasi south of Izmir. The all-weather interceptor 142. Filo at Mürted went to Balikesir. The F-5A daylight interceptor unit, 152. Filo, dispersed from Merzifon to Yenisehir. The 181. Attack Filo with F-100Cs and Ds was flown from Diyarbakir to Antalya and its co-located reconnaissance 184. Reconnaissance Filo was sent to Inçirlik. 182. Filo with F-102As went from Mürted to Eskisehir whereas the F-104G unit, 191. Filo was redeployed from Balikesir to Mürted. The important sea surveillance unit, 301. Filo with S-2Es at Bandirma, was sent south to Antalya. At the same time mobile radar units were placed on the southern coast of Turkey, opposite Cyprus
After hectic, but futile negotiations, where Britain failed to assert for a return to a normal situation on Cyprus, war operations were started by Turkey on July 20th, in order to protect the Turkish population. The actual war operations, which followed plans already prepared in 1960 when the Turkish population on Cyprus was threatened, were implemented in two stages. The first from July 20th until 1700 hours on the 22nd when the northern outskirts of Nicosia were taken, and with only defensive and transport air operations performed on the 23rd. The second stage which lasted from August 14th until an armistice was affected at 1900 hours on the 16th, resulted in the Turkish Army seizing Farmagusta.

July 20, 1974

On July 20th at 0449 hours a RF-84F reconnaissance aircraft was launched from the Inçirlik Air Base as the first action.
The assault on the island itself was planned for 0600 on the 20th, with an airborne assault at Gönyeli (10 km NW of Nicosia) by 19 C-47s and at Kirni by six C-130s and eleven C-160Ds. All went well, but three aircraft were hit by anti-aircraft fire. A C-130 and a C-160 only sustained light damage, whereas C-47 no.6035 caught fire and only barely made an emergency landing near Silifke on the Turkish mainland.

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_297.shtml



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