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[garbitsch]

I've been busy brother. And I was a bit pissed off by this forum. Some people are so obsessed with Turkey that they spent their whole life by searching for something bad about Turkey to publish it here to support their claims that Turkey is a terrorist state and Turks are barbars. They just wanna see a perfect Turkish state!! Why do they ignore the abuses in Europe itself?

[brother]

Give it time as turkey progresses in the years to come a lot of people will be eating humble pie, but you should always stick around and fight its corner like they do when it comes to Greece or the GC state.

[Kifeas]

**Turkey is a nation-state. Just like France and Greece. Turkey is founded by Turks and today's Turkey had been ruled by Turks for centuries (in 2071, we will be celebrating the 1000. year in Anatolia). Kurds had never ruled themselves before (except the defacto Kurdish administration in Northern IRaq, which was protected by Turkey).

Oh I see! Because they have never ruled themselves in a modern sense of nation state, a term that appeared only during the last 200 years, they should be permanently ruled by the Turks, because the Turks know better how to rule them. The Kurds have no right to rule themselves. The Kurds are an inferior tripe. Turks know better, and will always and for ever know better!

** On the other hand, Cyprus is not an ethnic state.

Really?? What is it then? Are France, Greece, Britain, and Turkey ethnic states? Do you know any ethnic states? Just name a few if you know.

**It does not state in the constitution that Cyprus is a Greek island.

Does it say in Turkey’s constitution that it is a British land?
Why should it say in our constitution that Cyprus is a Greek island???
Or a Turkish Island???
Cyprus is a Cypriot island!
????

**Rep of Cyprus was founded by BOTH Greek Cyps and Turkish Cyps.

Really?? Did you read RoCy constitution?
Here is a link for it.
http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/mfa.nsf/ConstitutionW?OpenForm
Do you see anything like your above statement to be written in it?
Just find the text and post it here.

[castleRock]

Yes that’s true! As a result of the ethnic cleansing operation of the Turkish army in 1974,

Ethnic cleansing. Then what was EOKA doing before 1974? They were defending themselves by killing Turkish, aren't they?

[Kifeas]

Ethnic cleansing.

Yes ethnic cleansing!
That's how I was expelled from my home and village in the north in 1974. The Turkish Tanks and the Soldiers were chasing us until we evacuated our village. Should we have chosen to remain, we would have been either killed or taken as hostages to Turkey like so many others. Especially many women who stayed behind and got cot by some Turkish soldiers were raped. That's why we run away, in order to save our lives. I was born in Lapithos (Lapta, if you know it like this.) From my village about 300 GC people were killed during the Turkish military advancement on 4th & 5th of August 1974. This was during the cease-fire period as well, which the Turkish army never honoured.
Yes it was ethnic cleansing!

Then what was EOKA doing before 1974?

EOKA B was before 1974.
EOKA was between 1955-1959

They were defending themselves by killing Turkish, aren't they?

EOKA B was organising attempts against Makarios in order to kill him. EOKA B was terrorist organisation back by Greek military junta and the CIA in order to overthrow Makarios (our elected president) because he was against Enosis with Greece and also he was pursuing a non-align, pro-independence policy for Cyprus.

[efe]

yes, i agree with belgian/swiss based federation. annan plan was based on it.

you are talking about ethnic clensing etc. trust me, turks dont like to go to war. many turkish soldiers also died during cyprus war. we do not like wars, as much as you would like to think so.

we didint want to screw up anything, if ROC was operating as it should be there would be no operation in 1974.

another point. ROC was formed in 60. violence in 63. invasion in 74. does it ring a bell? can you not see that we have waited for things to settle down? but it didint, and we had to intervene to support the Turkish nation in Cyprus. because the cypriots were mixed, there was only one way, and it was to seperate them. to seperate them you need to move people. therefore turks in south moved to north, greeks in north moved to south.

if turkey had the invasion of cyprus mentality, why didint we invade 2/3's of it? or all of it? and we could ethnically cleanse the greeks totaly that way.

[Main_Source]

If you think Turkey invaded hyst to save the Turkish Cypriots, then your having a laugh. How do you explain previous attempts of invasion going back to the 1950's? What about Ataturk publicly coverting Cyprus?

Dr Kucuk was planning TAKSIM way back, in vists to Ankara in 1957...and you also know full well that the TMT was backed by the Turkish government. Please dont insult my intelligence by saying Turkey was simply coming to save the Turkish Cypriots after 11 years of inter-communal violance, because TAKSIM was a part of the Turkish master plan before Cyprus was given her independance.

[Kifeas]

yes, i agree with belgian/swiss based federation. annan plan was based on it.

No Annan plan was not based on the Belgian model nor on the Swiss model, at least not on a very crucial element. That of ethnicity (racial) political equality. Swiss and Belgian models are based on the Constituent State political equality. Anan Plan was based on community or Ethnicity (racial) political equality. Do you know the difference?

[metecyp]

EOKA B was before 1974.
EOKA was between 1955-1959

So there was no EOKA between 1960-1974? Who attacked TCs in Kokkina in 1964, and in Kofunye in 1967? Turks???

[Main_Source]

and another thing Efe, if Turkish soldiers dont like war...why do they consistently keep flying deep into Greece's territorial waters? IT just goes to proves that no matter what the Turkish government says, its military always have the upper hand.

The other day there was a Turkish formation flying off the coast of Andros...close to Athens, where the Greek and Turkish foreign ministers where trying to have peace talks. What does this tell you about how sincere Turkey's 'peace-talks' are? Actions speak louder than words. What would you say if one of these fighter jets took the piss and flew a touch closer to Athens and got shot down? How would you take this?