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[turkcyp]

Judging from what the Turkish army did in Cyprus with the settlers I wouldn't expect them to leave any area in Turkey to be inhabited just by Kurds.

The point is that Kurds have been inhabiting that area for several 100s years, and they have always been the majority there.

The Turks in Bulgaria is the example that match most closely the case of Turkish Cypriots, and not the Kurds, the Chechens or the Basques who are people that were traditionally concentrated in a specific region in which they formed the great majority.

Twisting everything to suit your needs and finding a stupid answer to every fact to back your frivilous claims...

Keep it up.

And I am taking you seriously and debating with you....

[castleRock]

So why you do not accept the same for Cyprus? All Cypriots to be politically equal is what we are asking!!

we want it too. But we only want to make it written in a treaty. Not only written but also in strong and unchanhable form. Because nobody in Turkey trusts GC's because of the 1974 events.

(even if Kurds are 20% of the population which is more than TCs)

TC's are %30 in Cyprus.

[castleRock]

The point is that Kurds have been inhabiting that area for several 100s years, and they have always been the majority there.

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TC's are in Cyprus since 1571. The date when the ottomans had the island
Is it enough?

[-mikkie2-]

TC's are %30 in Cyprus.

Interesting! Where do you get your figures from?

What is your definition of a TC?

Have you advanced enough from the Ottoman mentality yet or is northern Iraq, Western Thrace, half the Aegean next?

Hey, perhaps its the EU joining the Turkish state (TU perhaps?), the rekindling of the Ottoman empire, this time with the borders reaching as far as Britain as oposed to the gates of Vienna! What a wonderful prospect. Peace and tranquility the Turkish way!

[efe]

i agree with the fact that kurds need to be treated equally. there was pressure on them before i agree. but thanks to reforms, kurds in turkey are now equal. and the conditions will get better.

but piratis, there are some things that are hard to change. you just cant go ahead and make kurdish an official language. (again my example: turks in bulgaria, then turkish should be an official language of bulgaria) please dont give me the cyprus example, like i told you cyprus was formed by blah blah.. i guess the most democratic country in the world for freedom of language is india where they have 100 or so official languages.

plus, most of the 20% kurdish population's main tongue is turkish. the reason they call themselves kurds (even though a lot of them deny that they are kurdish) is purely racial.

yes ofcourse you are cypriots. and i also didint answer one of your questions previosuly, yes before turks did not own a specific part of cyprus. it was unitary, but it didint work. due to obvious history, turks in cyprus are located in the north now, and greeks in the south. so if you look at the current situation, they are located at a specific part of cyprus.

i also want all cypriots to be politically equal. two communbities of belgium are equal. i believe comparing cyprus to belgium or switzerland makes much more sense in current situation then comparng it to turkey or bulgaria.

since turks in cyprus are what 18%? , they are going to get less say obviosly. but in a bizonal federation, federal representation should be equal. thats what federation is.

note: i actually dont want to sound like "this must be done", if TC's stil lwant a unitary state, let them have it, but i am guessing most of them dont. this is the base of my argument

[castleRock]

TC's are %30 in Cyprus.

Interesting! Where do you get your figures from?

What is your definition of a TC?

Please accept my apology, I ve mistyped. TC's are %20 in Cyprus.

Have you advanced enough from the Ottoman mentality yet or is northern Iraq, Western Thrace, half the Aegean next?

I've only intended to say that Turkish Population is in Cyprus since 1571.

Hey, perhaps its the EU joining the Turkish state (TU perhaps?), the rekindling of the Ottoman empire, this time with the borders reaching as far as Britain as oposed to the gates of Vienna! What a wonderful prospect. Peace and tranquility the Turkish way!

Turkish way is the way of Atatürk my friend. We have certain borders, and we do not have any claims on anyone's borders. I can accept my fault but I cant accept the way you are talking about Turkey.

[garbitsch]

Hey I am back! Piratis, why should Turkey recognise Kurds as an ethnic minority? It is not stated in the Laussaine treaty, as you show as a reference to Greek govts denial of its own ethnic minorities.

much fewer percentage of Kurds define themselves as Kurdish Turks.

When did you have a poll in Turkey about the feelings of Kurds? If Kurds identified themselves as Kurds, why did they vote for AKP or CHP instead of Kurdish parties? If they constitute 20% of the population (which is higher due to intercommunal marriages), they could make their parties pass the 10% treshold. Half of the parliament are of Kurdish origin. The thing is that Kurds and Turks are not two distinct ethnic communities. Many Kurds do speak Turkish (in London for example, all the Kurds I saw spoke Turkish). I well understand why Greeks concern much about Kurds. Well, "my enemy's enemy is my friend" policy, right? I am sorry, Kurds are not our enemies, but PKK is!!!

[brother]

welcome back garbitsch, where have you been dude.

[garbitsch]

Why can't we compare Turkish Cypriots and Kurds?

1- Turkey is a nation-state. Just like France and Greece. Turkey is founded by Turks and today's Turkey had been ruled by Turks for centuries (in 2071, we will be celebrating the 1000. year in Anatolia). Kurds had never ruled themselves before (except the defacto Kurdish administration in Northern IRaq, which was protected by Turkey). On the other hand, Cyprus is not an ethnic state. It does not state in the constitution that Cyprus is a Greek island. Rep of Cyprus was founded by BOTH Greek Cyps and Turkish Cyps.

2- Greece denies its own ethnic minorities by refering to Laussaine Treaty. By recognising the Kurds, Turkey had violated this treaty! Greece claims that if she admits the existence of Turks, Macedons etc this will cause the disintegration of the Greek state. However, there had been no major seperatist activities in Greece (almost none). On the other hand, the Kurds in Turkey had fought against the state for a seperate Kurdish state. So, the threat of seperatism in Turkey is far higher than in Greece. Yet, Turkey is not in denial of Kurdish existence.

3- Just like Greece and France, Turkey is a unitarist state and every citizen is politically equal. There is no need for Kurdish to be official language and an autonomous state in east Turkey. This is something that will only lead to disintegration of the state.

[Kifeas]

*yes ofcourse you are cypriots. and i also didint answer one of your questions previosuly, yes before turks did not own a specific part of cyprus. it was unitary, but it didint work. due to obvious history, turks in cyprus are located in the north now, and greeks in the south. so if you look at the current situation, they are located at a specific part of cyprus.

Yes that’s true! As a result of the ethnic cleansing operation of the Turkish army in 1974, 200,000 Greek Cypriots were kicked out of their ancestral (3 ½ millenniums old) lands and all the Turkish Cypriot population that was scattered around in south Cyprus (about 55 thousand in 1974) were transferred in north to replace the Gcs that were kicked out. Because the amount of land, properties and houses that GCs had in the north before they were kicked out by the Turkish army, were far too more than the TC population, it became necessary for Turkey to transfer another 120,000 mainland Turkish settlers from Turkey in order to feel the gab.

*i also want all cypriots to be politically equal. two communbities of belgium are equal. i believe comparing cyprus to belgium or switzerland makes much more sense in current situation then comparng it to turkey or bulgaria.

Deal! Do you accept the Swiss or the Belgian model? If yes, we solved the Cyprus problem. So we agree?

*since turks in cyprus are what 18%? , they are going to get less say obviosly. but in a bizonal federation, federal representation should be equal. thats what federation is.

I agree with you! The two federal states should be politically equal. Exactly like the Belgian model. Do you also agree? please let me know!