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Postby Kifeas » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:56 am

Bananiot wrote:I made an issue of it? What a ridiculous notion. It was first news on all TV stations last night! Anyway, it looks as though you have finally made your choice. It took you a long time to decide between bloodshed and partition but you finally made your choice. I just wonder what % percentage the partitionists, like yourself, are in the south.


Listen Bananiot, if I ever choose to get married, I will never accept as a condition to such a marriage that the in-laws should have the keys of the house I will be living in with my wife (or husband if I was a lady,) and should also have the option to enter the house any time they believe they have a reason, without even knocking the door, and set themselves flat in the living room so that they watch and interfere in my private life! Under such terms and conditions, I prefer to stay single for ever, no matter how much I may love the other person! You may have a different view, and you may be willing to accommodate such peculiar demands from your wife and in-laws, but allow us to differ! What and who is more normal from the two of us, I live it the judgment of those reading us!
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Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:56 am

I am not pro-ENOSIS (with Greece) one iota, and thankfully that is not an issue anymore (amongst the logicians).

We rightly fought against the coup as best the brave GCs could, to avoid union with Greece, yet now we are accepting ceding (even 1%) Cyprus to Turkey, whose ideologies and governments we abhor?

So we fought off Greece in order to gift a part of Cyprus to Turkey. :roll:

And the saddest part of all, is people like Bananiot seem so happy with this arrangement, I wonder if this has been their desire since 1960.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:57 am

Viewpoint wrote:The AP gave you Maraş, the return of over 90.000 refugees, a further 8% of land, the removal of the Turkish Army, return of a certain amount of settlers, a united Federal structure, 1 external identity, 1 flag 1 national anthem, best of all the chance to build a united Cyprus, you GCs do no exude any confidence that you will do the right thing and share, you appear to fighting for a structure that will allow you to do whatever you wish without any obstructions whether we object or not. This does not bode well with try to build trust and understand and only fuels a need to more and more measures to ensure you are not allowed to whatever you wish in a united Cyprus.


OK, lets take them one by one:

About the "8% of land". First of all, thats only tiny part of our land that belongs to us, and you illegally occupy it. So it didn't give to us anything, it gave to you the 29% of our land. How is this any better than a partition plan where you would get to keep most of the land you stole from us?

About the "90.000 refugees". The same as above. Refugees would return under GC administration. Almost none would return under TC admin. So how is this different from partition?

"the removal of the Turkish Army". The Turkish troops today are illegally occupying a sovereign country against UN resolutions. I highly doubt they would have any problem to simply violate some time table in some agreement, especially when the "TC component state" and our "politically equal partners" would fully support them. The Annan plan would make it much easier for the Turkish Army to stay in Cyprus.

"return of a certain amount of settlers". While most of them would stay, and instead of just be in the north of the country they would be free to roam everywhere, and get benefits and welfare from our taxes.

"a united Federal structure". There was absolutely nothing united in it except from the name, and there was nothing federal about it either. It was a loose confederation that let you keep the north part of our country like you keep it now, with the difference that with Annan plan you would keep our lands legally and with our signature.

"1 external identity". Which would not represent Cypriots, since the Turks would be able to block anything they wished. So on the contrary we would totally loose our external identity and voice.

"1 flag 1 national anthem". Not really. With AP each component state would have its own separate flag, its own separate anthem, and actually its own separate citizenship!

"best of all the chance to build a united Cyprus" :roll: The Annan plan was a partition plan already, and the only way this plan would change would be to standard partition, not to a truly united Cyprus. Or after we would have signed away our rights and our lands to you, you would then at some point in the future come up and give up on what you gained on our loss for the sake of a united Cyprus? Don't make me laugh please. Your "arguments" can maybe convince some idiots, but I know very very well why you wanted the Annan plan, so don't try your tricks on me.

And the above are just the ... "benefits" (according to you) of Annan plan. We didn't even tough the negatives yet!

you GCs do no exude any confidence that you will do the right thing and share, you appear to fighting for a structure that will allow you to do whatever you wish without any obstructions whether we object or not.


As I said earlier we want to share Cyprus in a just and proportional way with all Cypriot citizens, in a democratic way, and with respect to all minorities, as it is done in all EU countries. Your idea that we should return to some Ottoman rule kind of system where the citizens are divided among privileged Muslims, and low class citizens is racist, undemocratic and therefore unacceptable.
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Postby DT. » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:07 am

Want to sell the BBF tothe GC population. Make it a transition govt for a period. This has been agreed by many TC's on this forum as well.

If a democratic society/govt is to follow then thats the only way this will work. Alhtough how you can gaurantee Turkey following such long term a timetable when it might get into the habit of changing 2-3 govts a year is beyond me.

If the country has been successfuly united for a while under a BBF, then there is no reason why it cannot evolve into a democratic unitary state of one person one vote with special protective rights given to the TC's.
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Postby Brittania » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:23 am

Kifeas wrote:
Bananiot wrote:I made an issue of it? What a ridiculous notion. It was first news on all TV stations last night! Anyway, it looks as though you have finally made your choice. It took you a long time to decide between bloodshed and partition but you finally made your choice. I just wonder what % percentage the partitionists, like yourself, are in the south.


Listen Bananiot, if I ever choose to get married, I will never accept as a condition to such a marriage that the in-laws should have the keys of the house I will be living in with my wife (or husband if I was a lady,) and should also have the option to enter the house any time they believe they have a reason, without even knocking the door, and set themselves flat in the living room so that they watch and interfere in my private life! Under such terms and conditions, I prefer to stay single for ever, no matter how much I may love the other person! You may have a different view, and you may be willing to accommodate such peculiar demands from your wife and in-laws, but allow us to differ! What and who is more normal from the two of us, I live it the judgment of those reading us!


What if the wife's a renegade slut? You'll need all the help you can get from your parents and the in-laws to hold her down in bed.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:25 am

If the country has been successfuly united for a while under a BBF, then there is no reason why it cannot evolve into a democratic unitary state of one person one vote with special protective rights given to the TC's.


You are dreaming. Once we sign away our rights and lands to them, the only thing we will hear from them is that what they gained is now their right and if we didn't like it we should have signed it. They wouldn't even accept a proposal for anything else. Been there, done that.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:28 am

Brittania wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Bananiot wrote:I made an issue of it? What a ridiculous notion. It was first news on all TV stations last night! Anyway, it looks as though you have finally made your choice. It took you a long time to decide between bloodshed and partition but you finally made your choice. I just wonder what % percentage the partitionists, like yourself, are in the south.


Listen Bananiot, if I ever choose to get married, I will never accept as a condition to such a marriage that the in-laws should have the keys of the house I will be living in with my wife (or husband if I was a lady,) and should also have the option to enter the house any time they believe they have a reason, without even knocking the door, and set themselves flat in the living room so that they watch and interfere in my private life! Under such terms and conditions, I prefer to stay single for ever, no matter how much I may love the other person! You may have a different view, and you may be willing to accommodate such peculiar demands from your wife and in-laws, but allow us to differ! What and who is more normal from the two of us, I live it the judgment of those reading us!


What if the wife's a renegade slut? You'll need all the help you can get from your parents and the in-laws to hold her down in bed.


But who would marry a slut? Unless somebody else forced her on you against your will? Like the British and the Turks came to our island against our will in order to enslave and exploit us? Well, in that came the slut can fuck off to where she came from. Anybody that enters our house should be one that we like, not any sluts.
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Postby DT. » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:30 am

Piratis wrote:
If the country has been successfuly united for a while under a BBF, then there is no reason why it cannot evolve into a democratic unitary state of one person one vote with special protective rights given to the TC's.


You are dreaming. Once we sign away our rights and lands to them, the only thing we will hear from them is that what they gained is now their right and if we didn't like it we should have signed it. They wouldn't even accept a proposal for anything else. Been there, done that.


Caveat was placed that it would be difficult to get any meaningful gaurantees in place for such a thing. IN THEORY however I believe it would work.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:35 am

Bananiot wrote:I made an issue of it? What a ridiculous notion. It was first news on all TV stations last night! Anyway, it looks as though you have finally made your choice. It took you a long time to decide between bloodshed and partition but you finally made your choice. I just wonder what % percentage the partitionists, like yourself, are in the south.


We know the answer: 24%. Thats how many voted for the Annan partition plan that would legally give to the Turks the absolute control of the north part of our country, and not only.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:44 am

DT. wrote:
Piratis wrote:
If the country has been successfuly united for a while under a BBF, then there is no reason why it cannot evolve into a democratic unitary state of one person one vote with special protective rights given to the TC's.


You are dreaming. Once we sign away our rights and lands to them, the only thing we will hear from them is that what they gained is now their right and if we didn't like it we should have signed it. They wouldn't even accept a proposal for anything else. Been there, done that.


Caveat was placed that it would be difficult to get any meaningful gaurantees in place for such a thing. IN THEORY however I believe it would work.


So after TCs fighting for 50 years to gain partition, and they insisted upon this while acting illegally and under embargoes, you see them coming and voluntarily giving up everything they gained on our loss? Whats you say is not logical.
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