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[iceman]

The lesson I got from humanist's story is this: we can all be human and compassionate at an individual level...And we often forget most people(including some of the settlers) are victims in this sorry saga...It is very easy,in our bitterness and pain, to tarnish and hate a whole class of people if we ignore the above lesson...Thanks for sharing that with us,Andreas...

I second that , after all humanity and compassion are not the prerogative of only a section of any community. Human feelings and understanding of ones pain is shared by most people. I believe entirely the story told by Humanist and I believe that those settlers must have felt the pain of the dispossessed .

I understand that many settlers are Kurds, perhaps they were dispossessed. I wonder if many of them are victims of the "clearance" of Kurdish villages in the east of Turkey and were offered new homes in Cyprus. So if there is an agreement and we ask that settlers return to Turkey we will be told that they have no homes to go back to. Bastard Turkish government - using the victims they have created to enforce their colonisation of Cyprus.

That is not correct...The majority of the settlers are from Black Sea region (north coast) of Turkey..

[Tim Drayton]

The lesson I got from humanist's story is this: we can all be human and compassionate at an individual level...And we often forget most people(including some of the settlers) are victims in this sorry saga...It is very easy,in our bitterness and pain, to tarnish and hate a whole class of people if we ignore the above lesson...Thanks for sharing that with us,Andreas...

I second that , after all humanity and compassion are not the prerogative of only a section of any community. Human feelings and understanding of ones pain is shared by most people. I believe entirely the story told by Humanist and I believe that those settlers must have felt the pain of the dispossessed .

I understand that many settlers are Kurds, perhaps they were dispossessed. I wonder if many of them are victims of the "clearance" of Kurdish villages in the east of Turkey and were offered new homes in Cyprus. So if there is an agreement and we ask that settlers return to Turkey we will be told that they have no homes to go back to. Bastard Turkish government - using the victims they have created to enforce their colonisation of Cyprus.

That is not correct...The majority of the settlers are from Black Sea region (north coast) of Turkey..

I hear a great deal of Kurdish and Arabic spoken nowadays when I walk along the streets inside the walled part of Nicosia. I thought there were a lot of Kurdish speakers from Mardin and Arabic speakers from Hatay living in the north of Cyprus nowadays.
You can now also see newspapers in the Kurdish language on sale at virtually every news stand in the north of Nicosia.

[iceman]

The lesson I got from humanist's story is this: we can all be human and compassionate at an individual level...And we often forget most people(including some of the settlers) are victims in this sorry saga...It is very easy,in our bitterness and pain, to tarnish and hate a whole class of people if we ignore the above lesson...Thanks for sharing that with us,Andreas...

I second that , after all humanity and compassion are not the prerogative of only a section of any community. Human feelings and understanding of ones pain is shared by most people. I believe entirely the story told by Humanist and I believe that those settlers must have felt the pain of the dispossessed .

I understand that many settlers are Kurds, perhaps they were dispossessed. I wonder if many of them are victims of the "clearance" of Kurdish villages in the east of Turkey and were offered new homes in Cyprus. So if there is an agreement and we ask that settlers return to Turkey we will be told that they have no homes to go back to. Bastard Turkish government - using the victims they have created to enforce their colonisation of Cyprus.

That is not correct...The majority of the settlers are from Black Sea region (north coast) of Turkey..

I hear a great deal of Kurdish and Arabic spoken nowadays when I walk along the streets inside the walled part of Nicosia. I thought there were a lot of Kurdish speakers from Mardin and Arabic speakers from Hatay living in the north of Cyprus nowadays.
You can now also see newspapers in the Kurdish language on sale at virtually every news stand in the north of Nicosia.

That is true,but these people came afterwards,on their own will...They are not part of the population Turkish Governement moved here after 1974..

[pantheman]

I was recently talking to a relative in Cyprus, who told me that his colleague went to Morphou to visit his Turkish speaking Cypriot ex neighbour. They went also stood by their home and cried at the loss of it. The current occupier a settler came out and asked them if it was their home, they responded yes, but now it is yours. She invited them in for coffee. The TC neighbour was translating. She said to them I am happy to take my children and family and go if you would like to return. They told her to stay and look after it till they return.

Isn't that a human story.


Oh I so love humanity and respect. ( now that is a human being that ought to stay on, in a united Cyprus).

very touching, easier said than done. Its easy to make those offers when you know it will never happen and shame the Orams didn't say the same to Mr Apostolides. What you going to do about these ones I wonder???

I guess we can all hope.

[Oracle]

The moral of the story is:

It's easy enough to make a gesture when you know it does not need to, or could be, honoured.

[Tim Drayton]

The lesson I got from humanist's story is this: we can all be human and compassionate at an individual level...And we often forget most people(including some of the settlers) are victims in this sorry saga...It is very easy,in our bitterness and pain, to tarnish and hate a whole class of people if we ignore the above lesson...Thanks for sharing that with us,Andreas...

I second that , after all humanity and compassion are not the prerogative of only a section of any community. Human feelings and understanding of ones pain is shared by most people. I believe entirely the story told by Humanist and I believe that those settlers must have felt the pain of the dispossessed .

I understand that many settlers are Kurds, perhaps they were dispossessed. I wonder if many of them are victims of the "clearance" of Kurdish villages in the east of Turkey and were offered new homes in Cyprus. So if there is an agreement and we ask that settlers return to Turkey we will be told that they have no homes to go back to. Bastard Turkish government - using the victims they have created to enforce their colonisation of Cyprus.

That is not correct...The majority of the settlers are from Black Sea region (north coast) of Turkey..

I hear a great deal of Kurdish and Arabic spoken nowadays when I walk along the streets inside the walled part of Nicosia. I thought there were a lot of Kurdish speakers from Mardin and Arabic speakers from Hatay living in the north of Cyprus nowadays.
You can now also see newspapers in the Kurdish language on sale at virtually every news stand in the north of Nicosia.

That is true,but these people came afterwards,on their own will...They are not part of the population Turkish Governement moved here after 1974..

Yes, you are right, these are not people who have been assigned GC property to live in, but rather who have come on their own initiative as causal and transient workers, and have found places to live as best they can.

[Bananiot]

The moral of the story is:

It's easy enough to make a gesture when you know it does not need to, or could be, honoured.

Spoken like a true misanthropist.

[Nikitas]

The settler problem is a Turkish mess. They created it for reasons clear only to them. Allowing the settlers to stay will create a huge problem in the future for all indigenous Cypriots. The humane thing to do is to compensate these people and let them go invest in their places of origin. It will be better for us, for them and for their villages back in the Black Sea or wherever they came from.

[BirKibrisli]

The settler problem is a Turkish mess. They created it for reasons clear only to them. Allowing the settlers to stay will create a huge problem in the future for all indigenous Cypriots. The humane thing to do is to compensate these people and let them go invest in their places of origin. It will be better for us, for them and for their villages back in the Black Sea or wherever they came from.

I agree,Nikitas...The majority of the settlers have to go back,and most would be too happy to do just that,provided they are given some compensation. Their permanent presence would only serve to rob the real TCs of their political power and the right of self-determination...This should be unacceptable to all Cypriots.

[BirKibrisli]

The moral of the story is:

It's easy enough to make a gesture when you know it does not need to, or could be, honoured.

Like it is facile to deny people an honourable motive when you know it does not suit your purposes!!