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[Kifeas]

Miltiades, in your opinion, would lifting the embargoes automatically mean recognition? Do they go hand in hand?
Tess

Embargoes? Which embargoes? The only embargos I know, are the embargoes the Turkish occupational troops enforce against 200,000 Greek Cypriots that they ethnically cleansed from the occupied north, and usurped all their properties and all their livelihood sources! I know of no other embargoes!

[unitedwestand]

Miltiades, in your opinion, would lifting the embargoes automatically mean recognition? Do they go hand in hand?
Tess

Embargoes? Which embargoes? The only embargos I know, are the embargoes the Turkish occupational troops enforce against 200,000 Greek Cypriots that they ethnically cleansed from the occupied north, and usurped all their properties and all their livelihood sources! I know of no other embargoes!

What planet are you from?

[Kifeas]

Miltiades, in your opinion, would lifting the embargoes automatically mean recognition? Do they go hand in hand?
Tess

Embargoes? Which embargoes? The only embargos I know, are the embargoes the Turkish occupational troops enforce against 200,000 Greek Cypriots that they ethnically cleansed from the occupied north, and usurped all their properties and all their livelihood sources! I know of no other embargoes!

What planet are you from?

Definitely, not from the same planet that you seem to come from?

[miltiades]

Miltiades, in your opinion, would lifting the embargoes automatically mean recognition? Do they go hand in hand?
Tess

A partial lifting of selected embargoes as a measure of good intentions towards finding a solution might be a welcome sign. However the lifting of all embargoes , direct flights , mail , it would amount to capitulation by the the ROC to Turkeys demands and the recognition of the "TRNC".
You must bear in mind that the ruling power in the occupied part is not the civilian "government" but the occupying Turkish army. I would love nothing more than to see our two peoples come together in order to unify our island.
Those hoping that the International community might recognise the occupied part may first have to wait for the UN to make the first move , such move by the UN would be contrary to its stated position on a nations sovereignty and to its own charter coupled with numerous resolutions asking for the withdrawal of Turkish troops. Make no mistake, it is the Turkish army that controls the Norther part of Cyprus and Turkey will soon have to decide whether joining Europe is of less importance than maintaining 40 thousand troops on Cyprus soil.
The T/Cs have nothing to fear from a united Cyprus , a member of the EU
and indirectly accountable to Turkey for its early actions. No one in their right mind would insist that the overwhelming majority of Cypriots should take action to reduce their numerical superiority , it is a fact , an indisputable fact and can not be altered !!!

Just stating the above does not make it so miltiades, how will ensure that we have nothing to fear from the actions of the numerical majority on the island when allowing for your history and credibility towards TCs?

We can live together in peace and harmony VP , provided we all accept that the people of Cyprus need the right type of safeguards in position guarantying our freedom as citizens of Cyprus and our safety.Turkey will never be accepted as the power guarantying our safety and independence.

[Eric dayi]

Miltiades, in your opinion, would lifting the embargoes automatically mean recognition? Do they go hand in hand?
Tess

A partial lifting of selected embargoes as a measure of good intentions towards finding a solution might be a welcome sign. However the lifting of all embargoes , direct flights , mail , it would amount to capitulation by the the ROC to Turkeys demands and the recognition of the "TRNC".
You must bear in mind that the ruling power in the occupied part is not the civilian "government" but the occupying Turkish army. I would love nothing more than to see our two peoples come together in order to unify our island.
Those hoping that the International community might recognise the occupied part may first have to wait for the UN to make the first move , such move by the UN would be contrary to its stated position on a nations sovereignty and to its own charter coupled with numerous resolutions asking for the withdrawal of Turkish troops. Make no mistake, it is the Turkish army that controls the Norther part of Cyprus and Turkey will soon have to decide whether joining Europe is of less importance than maintaining 40 thousand troops on Cyprus soil.
The T/Cs have nothing to fear from a united Cyprus , a member of the EU
and indirectly accountable to Turkey for its early actions. No one in their right mind would insist that the overwhelming majority of Cypriots should take action to reduce their numerical superiority , it is a fact , an indisputable fact and can not be altered !!!

Just stating the above does not make it so miltiades, how will ensure that we have nothing to fear from the actions of the numerical majority on the island when allowing for your history and credibility towards TCs?

His very next sentence to "the tc's have nothing to fear from a united Cyprus" contradicts and answers your question VP, he said "numerical SUPERIORITY" not "majority".

He goes on to say that "the fact" their "SUPERIORITY" to us TCs/Turks is an "indisputable fact that can not be altered".

Using the word" SUPERIORITY" isn't a case of using the wrong word, it's a case of his true feeling coming out by mistake.

[Paphitis]

Miltiades, in your opinion, would lifting the embargoes automatically mean recognition? Do they go hand in hand?
Tess

A partial lifting of selected embargoes as a measure of good intentions towards finding a solution might be a welcome sign. However the lifting of all embargoes , direct flights , mail , it would amount to capitulation by the the ROC to Turkeys demands and the recognition of the "TRNC".
You must bear in mind that the ruling power in the occupied part is not the civilian "government" but the occupying Turkish army. I would love nothing more than to see our two peoples come together in order to unify our island.
Those hoping that the International community might recognise the occupied part may first have to wait for the UN to make the first move , such move by the UN would be contrary to its stated position on a nations sovereignty and to its own charter coupled with numerous resolutions asking for the withdrawal of Turkish troops. Make no mistake, it is the Turkish army that controls the Norther part of Cyprus and Turkey will soon have to decide whether joining Europe is of less importance than maintaining 40 thousand troops on Cyprus soil.
The T/Cs have nothing to fear from a united Cyprus , a member of the EU
and indirectly accountable to Turkey for its early actions. No one in their right mind would insist that the overwhelming majority of Cypriots should take action to reduce their numerical superiority , it is a fact , an indisputable fact and can not be altered !!!

Just stating the above does not make it so miltiades, how will ensure that we have nothing to fear from the actions of the numerical majority on the island when allowing for your history and credibility towards TCs?

His very next sentence to "the tc's have nothing to fear from a united Cyprus" contradicts and answers your question VP, he said "numerical SUPERIORITY" not "majority".

He goes on to say that "the fact" their "SUPERIORITY" to us TCs/Turks is an "indisputable fact that can not be altered".

Using the word" SUPERIORITY" isn't a case of using the wrong word, it's a case of his true feeling coming out by mistake.

He is refering to superiority in terms of numerical numbers. Nothing else. But clearly, English must be your second language.

You however have taunted other members with the Armenian massacre. You also tried to taunt Greeks by stating that you have turned Agia Sophia into a urinal since 1453 as if to highlight that you are the superior race or your own perceived superiority.

You are the pot calling the kettle black.

[Viewpoint]

Miltiades, in your opinion, would lifting the embargoes automatically mean recognition? Do they go hand in hand?
Tess

A partial lifting of selected embargoes as a measure of good intentions towards finding a solution might be a welcome sign. However the lifting of all embargoes , direct flights , mail , it would amount to capitulation by the the ROC to Turkeys demands and the recognition of the "TRNC".
You must bear in mind that the ruling power in the occupied part is not the civilian "government" but the occupying Turkish army. I would love nothing more than to see our two peoples come together in order to unify our island.
Those hoping that the International community might recognise the occupied part may first have to wait for the UN to make the first move , such move by the UN would be contrary to its stated position on a nations sovereignty and to its own charter coupled with numerous resolutions asking for the withdrawal of Turkish troops. Make no mistake, it is the Turkish army that controls the Norther part of Cyprus and Turkey will soon have to decide whether joining Europe is of less importance than maintaining 40 thousand troops on Cyprus soil.
The T/Cs have nothing to fear from a united Cyprus , a member of the EU
and indirectly accountable to Turkey for its early actions. No one in their right mind would insist that the overwhelming majority of Cypriots should take action to reduce their numerical superiority , it is a fact , an indisputable fact and can not be altered !!!

Just stating the above does not make it so miltiades, how will ensure that we have nothing to fear from the actions of the numerical majority on the island when allowing for your history and credibility towards TCs?

We can live together in peace and harmony VP , provided we all accept that the people of Cyprus need the right type of safeguards in position guarantying our freedom as citizens of Cyprus and our safety.Turkey will never be accepted as the power guarantying our safety and independence.

Not good enough miltiades, try harder to answer the question who will protect us in times of crisis?

[miltiades]

Miltiades, in your opinion, would lifting the embargoes automatically mean recognition? Do they go hand in hand?
Tess

A partial lifting of selected embargoes as a measure of good intentions towards finding a solution might be a welcome sign. However the lifting of all embargoes , direct flights , mail , it would amount to capitulation by the the ROC to Turkeys demands and the recognition of the "TRNC".
You must bear in mind that the ruling power in the occupied part is not the civilian "government" but the occupying Turkish army. I would love nothing more than to see our two peoples come together in order to unify our island.
Those hoping that the International community might recognise the occupied part may first have to wait for the UN to make the first move , such move by the UN would be contrary to its stated position on a nations sovereignty and to its own charter coupled with numerous resolutions asking for the withdrawal of Turkish troops. Make no mistake, it is the Turkish army that controls the Norther part of Cyprus and Turkey will soon have to decide whether joining Europe is of less importance than maintaining 40 thousand troops on Cyprus soil.
The T/Cs have nothing to fear from a united Cyprus , a member of the EU
and indirectly accountable to Turkey for its early actions. No one in their right mind would insist that the overwhelming majority of Cypriots should take action to reduce their numerical superiority , it is a fact , an indisputable fact and can not be altered !!!

Just stating the above does not make it so miltiades, how will ensure that we have nothing to fear from the actions of the numerical majority on the island when allowing for your history and credibility towards TCs?

We can live together in peace and harmony VP , provided we all accept that the people of Cyprus need the right type of safeguards in position guarantying our freedom as citizens of Cyprus and our safety.Turkey will never be accepted as the power guarantying our safety and independence.

Not good enough miltiades, try harder to answer the question who will protect us in times of crisis?

The Judiciary and the law , the same judiciary that protects all Cypriot citizens. Bear in mind that there are no laws curtailing your freedom of speech and your right to criticize actions taken by the government and its servants.
You are not seriously suggesting that the ROC will embark on a programme to antagonise either the T/Cs or Turkey , or to jeopardise a solution process ?

[Get Real!]

Miltiades, in your opinion, would lifting the embargoes automatically mean recognition? Do they go hand in hand?
Tess

Embargoes? Which embargoes? The only embargos I know, are the embargoes the Turkish occupational troops enforce against 200,000 Greek Cypriots that they ethnically cleansed from the occupied north, and usurped all their properties and all their livelihood sources! I know of no other embargoes!

What planet are you from?

Planet earth has something called "international law" and yours?

[Kikapu]

The Associated PressPublished: April 11, 2008

Turkish Cypriot leader walks into Greek Cypriot part of Nicosia at new Ledra Street crossing


NICOSIA, Cyprus: Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat crossed over to the Greek Cypriot part of the island's ethnically divided capital Friday — the first head of the Turkish Cypriot north to do so in more than three decades.

Talat walked across the buffer zone that splits the capital at Ledra Street, a pedestrian shopping boulevard in Nicosia's medieval center. It was a private visit that elicited smatterings of applause from surprised Greek Cypriot shoppers.

Although Talat has visited the south before, he did so several years ago as the head of a political party. No Turkish Cypriot leader had crossed over to the southern part of the island since Cyprus was physically divided along ethnic lines in 1974, said Greek Cypriot Presidential Secretary Vassos Georgiou.

The election in February of Cyprus President Dimitris Christofias, who replaced a hardliner, has raised hopes that the decades-old division of Cyprus can be resolved. Christofias and Talat enjoy good personal relations and have agreed to restart stalled talks on reunifying the island.

Their first move was to open a crossing at Ledra Street last month. The street had been closed since the 1960s and came to symbolize the island's division. Its opening was hailed as a significant symbolic milestone in efforts to reunify Cyprus.

Talat strolled through the crossing on Friday for an hour-long visit, accompanied by half a dozen bodyguards and advisers.

He sat down at an ice cream shop on Ledra Street in the south that he used to visit as a schoolboy.

"I came to enjoy the Makridromos," he said, using the Greek nickname for Ledra Street. "It is a childhood place and I wanted to experience the new climate."

The owner of the Heraclis store, Costas Vrontis, treated Talat to three scoops of vanilla ice cream.

"I was told that this is the best ice cream in Cyprus. I'm not sure about that claim, but it is very good ice cream," said a jovial Talat.

Asked whether he would invite Christofias to join him, he said: "Not now, maybe next time."

Talat said he was aware that he might be criticized by some Turkish Cypriots for his brief stroll around southern Nicosia, but said "it's a democratic society."

He wandered into a CD shop further down the street, buying a variety of music, and when he went into a health food store he was greeted with a smattering of applause. Greek and Turkish Cypriot shoppers frequently stopped him to shake his hand and greet him.

Aides to Talat said he was not asked to show any identification at the crossing.

Cypriots and foreigners using the six crossings between the Turkish Cypriot north and the Greek Cypriot south must show ID cards or passports.

"I am committed to work for peace on the island," Talat said. "I want to find a solution through negotiations."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/ ... -Talat.php