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Nature versus Nurture ....

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Postby webbo » Sat May 03, 2008 10:11 am

Oracle wrote:
purdey wrote:You opened the door Phoenix,but I owe you one...



OK we're even .... the foils can come out again. :D

BTW .... why do you prefer to call me Phoenix? :?




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Postby Bananiot » Sat May 03, 2008 10:14 am

How about nature via nurture?
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Re: Nature versus Nurture ....

Postby webbo » Sat May 03, 2008 10:17 am

denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:Are you who you are because of your genes (Nature)? 8)

OR

..... because of how, and where you were raised (Nurture)? :wink:



I am a blend of both. Period. :lol:


I am with you D. :lol:

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Postby Oracle » Sat May 03, 2008 10:21 am

Bananiot wrote:How about nature via nurture?


That's another of my favourite books, sadly left in the UK.

... Have you read "Nature via Nurture" by Matt Ridley? .... or any other books / articles by him?
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Postby sniper » Sat May 03, 2008 1:40 pm

As I am studying child psychology it was my 1st assignment, the nature vs nurture theory.

My main conclusion is that one without the other cannot exist. It's both, a combination of the two.
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Postby Bananiot » Sat May 03, 2008 1:49 pm

"Genome" and now reading "Nature via Nurture"
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Postby Oracle » Sat May 03, 2008 2:50 pm

Bananiot wrote:"Genome" and now reading "Nature via Nurture"


I read those the other way around to you, but both superb reads although due to his gaining even more popularity some of the beauty of his writing has been dispensed with to make the subject even more accessible.

He is by far the best popular science writer ever, and since you are a biology teacher, his earlier work like "The Red Queen" and "Origins of Virtue" (a sort of follow-on to Dawkin's "Selfish Gene") should be a piece of cake, and you will be captivated by the real power of his prose.

I can't get into Steven Pinker at all even though his material interests me enormously.

Without my local Waterstones to introduce me to new works I am feeling in a bit of a wilderness (can't get into on-line stuff for anything other than this forum) .... so if you have any recommendations I would love to hear of them (but will resist commenting again for fear of repetitious bombast :) ).
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Postby Oracle » Sat May 03, 2008 3:03 pm

sniper wrote:As I am studying child psychology it was my 1st assignment, the nature vs nurture theory.

My main conclusion is that one without the other cannot exist. It's both, a combination of the two.


I remember being amazed how different children are to adults in their view of the world when we covered Piaget (?) during a teaching course. The "two pencils next to each other" experiment (where one is moved along, and child thinks it has grown :lol: ), and the other one with different shaped containers that the same volume of water is dispensed into (child thinks the volume alters :roll: ) etc .... absolute genius ways to show how the environmental cues add on to the pre-existing hard-wiring. And of course a passing reference to heritability of intelligence as the cleverer child reaches the milestones sooner (although this is a bit iffy in my opinion as sometimes smarter kids take longer since they process more information before coming to a conclusion).

All very mind-boggling and confusing for a simple soul ... :?
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon May 05, 2008 11:57 pm

Oracle wrote:
Bananiot wrote:"Genome" and now reading "Nature via Nurture"


I read those the other way around to you, but both superb reads although due to his gaining even more popularity some of the beauty of his writing has been dispensed with to make the subject even more accessible.

He is by far the best popular science writer ever, and since you are a biology teacher, his earlier work like "The Red Queen" and "Origins of Virtue" (a sort of follow-on to Dawkin's "Selfish Gene") should be a piece of cake, and you will be captivated by the real power of his prose.

I can't get into Steven Pinker at all even though his material interests me enormously.

Without my local Waterstones to introduce me to new works I am feeling in a bit of a wilderness (can't get into on-line stuff for anything other than this forum) .... so if you have any recommendations I would love to hear of them (but will resist commenting again for fear of repetitious bombast :) ).



Hi Phoenix, Sorry I am back from my little sojourne from the East.
We have got used to your 'repetitious bombasts', Whats up? Why the sudden change? Dont you feel yourself anymore? :lol: :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Tue May 06, 2008 8:59 am

denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Bananiot wrote:"Genome" and now reading "Nature via Nurture"


I read those the other way around to you, but both superb reads although due to his gaining even more popularity some of the beauty of his writing has been dispensed with to make the subject even more accessible.

He is by far the best popular science writer ever, and since you are a biology teacher, his earlier work like "The Red Queen" and "Origins of Virtue" (a sort of follow-on to Dawkin's "Selfish Gene") should be a piece of cake, and you will be captivated by the real power of his prose.

I can't get into Steven Pinker at all even though his material interests me enormously.

Without my local Waterstones to introduce me to new works I am feeling in a bit of a wilderness (can't get into on-line stuff for anything other than this forum) .... so if you have any recommendations I would love to hear of them (but will resist commenting again for fear of repetitious bombast :) ).



Hi Phoenix, Sorry I am back from my little sojourne from the East.
We have got used to your 'repetitious bombasts', Whats up? Why the sudden change? Dont you feel yourself anymore? :lol: :lol:


How was France? :lol:
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