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[Viewpoint]

Bananiot, the leader in the free areas has changed I think the leader in the occupied areas needs to go. He is intentions are not honourable from his coments. Especially his coments about the Turkish ports in relation to Cyprus shows nothing but Turkish agenda and interests at heart and not a solution to the Cypro. The year will go by and will be still chatting about it on this forum.

I am of the belief that the Turkish speaking Cypriot community have no willingness to unification, where all Cypriots have a fair go.

Mr Talat is the best you are going to get the rest are real hardliners who wont give you the time of day plus there is the threat of emerging Turkish originated parties whos support is on the rise, you can always wait and then sit at the table with a settler who has no type of bond with anything GC, the choice is yours.

YOu've depicted the people that are going to rule you as hardliners, settlers fom turkey......and you think we're gonna have the problems?

You have read but not understood, now you have the chance to negotiate with a flexible TC leader, the other TC leaders are far more hardline and do not want to even talk to GCs, the danger you will face in the future is the influence of the settlers who have no affilations to GCs and are gaining a voice by forming political parties of their own, you have the choice to reject the only leader you will get some flexibility from and sit against hardliner TCs or settlers.

[halil]

although these pictures are old but we are talking about this small road and finding excuses not the open gate.
they are laughing us (world)

[Viewpoint]

We have said yes to the opening what have the GC done, keep us updated.

3 simple common sense conditions.

1) Repair surroudning buildings for the publics safety
2) Removal of all Turkish flags
3) Withdrawal of Turkish troops from the area.

it's mean there is no difference between new leader and old leader.
have a look at the present condition of the opened gates .
There is a Turkish flags , Greek Flags and troops from both sides also UN's troops . what is the difference of the Lokmacı gate than others and finding many excuses for not opening ?
Also EU has reserved enough money to repair the buildings .if there is a good will they should start to repair buildings .
where is the good will ?
the will is only finding excuses that's all .

Halil stop excusing the inexcusable and find your goodwill. This crossing is different. It is a street in the heart of the capital. YOU explain t me why you insist on having foreign flags there? And while you're at it tell me where the goodwill is shown in having foreighn troops there?

We say NO FLAGS
We sayNO TROOPS
We say safety to the pedestrians

Where is your goodwill? Why do you need all this stuff?

DT,
i am not finding excuse . ofcourse we don't need those stuff .
safety of the pedestrians they should start to repair the buildings without delaying .it is only straight road and very sişmple to do it . all the arguments that i am pointing out applies to both sides . i used only 2 gates up to now . the things you complaining now is still excisting at both gates .
good will is under this . if you right they must apply all the arguments that you saying for both gates and others. not only for leadra gate.
We say NO FLAGS
We sayNO TROOPS
than i can say there is a good will . still for me it is only excuse .

Halil is right whats so different? of course building will be repaired this is a must but come on the rest are excuses if its good enough for the other crossing the same should be good enough for this one, sounds like more excuses to me.

[DT.]

We have said yes to the opening what have the GC done, keep us updated.

3 simple common sense conditions.

1) Repair surroudning buildings for the publics safety
2) Removal of all Turkish flags
3) Withdrawal of Turkish troops from the area.

it's mean there is no difference between new leader and old leader.
have a look at the present condition of the opened gates .
There is a Turkish flags , Greek Flags and troops from both sides also UN's troops . what is the difference of the Lokmacı gate than others and finding many excuses for not opening ?
Also EU has reserved enough money to repair the buildings .if there is a good will they should start to repair buildings .
where is the good will ?
the will is only finding excuses that's all .

Halil stop excusing the inexcusable and find your goodwill. This crossing is different. It is a street in the heart of the capital. YOU explain t me why you insist on having foreign flags there? And while you're at it tell me where the goodwill is shown in having foreighn troops there?

We say NO FLAGS
We sayNO TROOPS
We say safety to the pedestrians

Where is your goodwill? Why do you need all this stuff?

DT,
i am not finding excuse . ofcourse we don't need those stuff .
safety of the pedestrians they should start to repair the buildings without delaying .it is only straight road and very sişmple to do it . all the arguments that i am pointing out applies to both sides . i used only 2 gates up to now . the things you complaining now is still excisting at both gates .
good will is under this . if you right they must apply all the arguments that you saying for both gates and others. not only for leadra gate.
We say NO FLAGS
We sayNO TROOPS
than i can say there is a good will . still for me it is only excuse .

Halil is right whats so different? of course building will be repaired this is a must but come on the rest are excuses if its good enough for the other crossing the same should be good enough for this one, sounds like more excuses to me.

You're the last person in the world i'd expect would support another opening. Aren't you afraid that this will only lead to more Greek being spoken in the north?

[halil]

DT,
in our side it says TO BE OPENED SOON

[DT.]

DT,
in our side it says TO BE OPENED SOON

Really? This is what ours says.

[observer]

I'm not a frequent visitor, but I have been to both ends of the street on a few occasions. I have never actually seen a Turkish or TC soldier there. I presume that they carry out patrols, but when the wall was down (there is now a temporary barrier, the same as on the GC side) all I saw was a TC policeman, sitting on a chair, whose job seemed to be to stop innocents walking into the buffer zone. On the GC side, every time I have been there, there are two armed sentries (I don't like to ask if there guns have bullets in them). The objection seems strange anyway, since the first thing you encounter after leaving the GC customs post at the Metehan crossing is a GC military post (No. 104 if I remember correctly).

As for flags, the Greek flag on the GC side is much bigger and higher than anything on the TC side of the barrier.

So instead of GCs saying 'we will not open a crossing until TCs take away their soldiers and flags', why not say to your government 'take away our soldiers and flags then ask TCs to do the same'?

[DT.]

I'm not a frequent visitor, but I have been to both ends of the street on a few occasions. I have never actually seen a Turkish or TC soldier there. I presume that they carry out patrols, but when the wall was down (there is now a temporary barrier, the same as on the GC side) all I saw was a TC policeman, sitting on a chair, whose job seemed to be to stop innocents walking into the buffer zone. On the GC side, every time I have been there, there are two armed sentries (I don't like to ask if there guns have bullets in them). The objection seems strange anyway, since the first thing you encounter after leaving the GC customs post at the Metehan crossing is a GC military post (No. 104 if I remember correctly).

As for flags, the Greek flag on the GC side is much bigger and higher than anything on the TC side of the barrier.

So instead of GCs saying 'we will not open a crossing until TCs take away their soldiers and flags', why not say to your government 'take away our soldiers and flags then ask TCs to do the same'?

a) Because the TC's won't
b) Turkish troops now patrol from under that bridge. When the bridge was built the result was that patrols by Turkish troops were able to be extended into the buffer zone since they now advanced a few metres in order to include a parrallel road to their patrols.

You can't beat the Turkish army mate, they know what they're doing. Why do you think they're objecting to removing the troops from the opening?

[-mikkie2-]

The area around Ledra street should be demilitarised on both sides. Period. No Turkish Army and no National Guard.

[observer]

I'm not a frequent visitor, but I have been to both ends of the street on a few occasions. I have never actually seen a Turkish or TC soldier there. I presume that they carry out patrols, but when the wall was down (there is now a temporary barrier, the same as on the GC side) all I saw was a TC policeman, sitting on a chair, whose job seemed to be to stop innocents walking into the buffer zone. On the GC side, every time I have been there, there are two armed sentries (I don't like to ask if there guns have bullets in them). The objection seems strange anyway, since the first thing you encounter after leaving the GC customs post at the Metehan crossing is a GC military post (No. 104 if I remember correctly).

As for flags, the Greek flag on the GC side is much bigger and higher than anything on the TC side of the barrier.

So instead of GCs saying 'we will not open a crossing until TCs take away their soldiers and flags', why not say to your government 'take away our soldiers and flags then ask TCs to do the same'?

a) Because the TC's won't
b) Turkish troops now patrol from under that bridge. When the bridge was built the result was that patrols by Turkish troops were able to be extended into the buffer zone since they now advanced a few metres in order to include a parrallel road to their patrols.

You can't beat the Turkish army mate, they know what they're doing. Why do you think they're objecting to removing the troops from the opening?

So you know they won't. Great. No point in doing anything. Partition here we come.
I think the bridge has been taken down.

The entire Green Line is patrolled by everybody, except for around the Ledra Palace Hotel.