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[Oracle]

Yes foolish citizens, celebrate the fact that you are allowing invading occupiers to check your credentials and suitability, before allowing you access to your own country.

Just what we all needed in our lives, more regulations.

Very fair comment OrPh, but on the other hand you are also trying to stop illegal immigration in to the Island. Yes, it works both ways. But the checking is done byTC police and not the Turkish soldiers. Cant you see , they are exact clones of GC police with the token policemans moustaches and fat belly's. Perhaps they are looking for you?

TRNC make no claim over the South and regard the Green Line as their border, so policemen ask to see credentials of people entering, as they see it, their country.

RoC claim sovereignty over the North but still have policemen checking credentials at the Green Line crossings as people move about, what they see, as their country. Now that's odder.

Just pragmatism.

Are the settlers and illegal immigrants you bring over from Syria etc., just moving about their own country?

And that is why there are policemen on both sides of the Green Line checking credentials. Just pragmatism.

Prevention is better than cure .... Best if you Turks did not carry out these outrageous illegalities in the first place.

Then we would not "need" a "border" to start with!

[observer]

Pragmatism involves reacting to the world as it is, not how you would like it to be.

I might point to the GC illegalities of 1963, 1967 and 1974 but sense that you prefer to ignore them.

[Oracle]

Pragmatism involves reacting to the world as it is, not how you would like it to be.

I might point to the GC illegalities of 1963, 1967 and 1974 but sense that you prefer to ignore them.

Exacty! ..... You can call a halt to the illegalities any time you wish ...

Like NOW!

[observer]

If you mean exactly! you prefer to ignore the GC illegalities of 1963, 1967 and 1974 then it's difficult to have a sensible conversation.

It is possible that you refer to the division of the island. In 1974 both Clerides and Denktas, in Geneva, agreed that the 1960 Constitution and the events leading to 1974 meant that it was necessary to have a fundemental revision of the governmental system. To quote Clerides press statement "They have agreed that this revision must result in the establishment of a system based on the existence of two autonomous administrations, united under a central government".

Every attempt to secure what both leaders agreed then has been rejected by one side or the other ever since.

[Viewpoint]

Yes foolish citizens, celebrate the fact that you are allowing invading occupiers to check your credentials and suitability, before allowing you access to your own country.

Just what we all needed in our lives, more regulations.

Very fair comment OrPh, but on the other hand you are also trying to stop illegal immigration in to the Island. Yes, it works both ways. But the checking is done byTC police and not the Turkish soldiers. Cant you see , they are exact clones of GC police with the token policemans moustaches and fat belly's. Perhaps they are looking for you?

TRNC make no claim over the South and regard the Green Line as their border, so policemen ask to see credentials of people entering, as they see it, their country.

RoC claim sovereignty over the North but still have policemen checking credentials at the Green Line crossings as people move about, what they see, as their country. Now that's odder.

Just pragmatism.

Are the settlers and illegal immigrants you bring over from Syria etc., just moving about their own country?

And that is why there are policemen on both sides of the Green Line checking credentials. Just pragmatism.

Prevention is better than cure .... Best if you Turks did not carry out these outrageous illegalities in the first place.

Then we would not "need" a "border" to start with!

Answer the question please.

[Oracle]

If you mean exactly! you prefer to ignore the GC illegalities of 1963, 1967 and 1974 then it's difficult to have a sensible conversation.

It is possible that you refer to the division of the island. In 1974 both Clerides and Denktas, in Geneva, agreed that the 1960 Constitution and the events leading to 1974 meant that it was necessary to have a fundemental revision of the governmental system. To quote Clerides press statement "They have agreed that this revision must result in the establishment of a system based on the existence of two autonomous administrations, united under a central government".

Every attempt to secure what both leaders agreed then has been rejected by one side or the other ever since.

We were moving to your present-day illegalities, of settlers and illegal immigrants brought to Cyprus by the Turks, hence why I said you can halt them now ... because they are still happening now!

[Oracle]

Yes foolish citizens, celebrate the fact that you are allowing invading occupiers to check your credentials and suitability, before allowing you access to your own country.

Just what we all needed in our lives, more regulations.

Very fair comment OrPh, but on the other hand you are also trying to stop illegal immigration in to the Island. Yes, it works both ways. But the checking is done byTC police and not the Turkish soldiers. Cant you see , they are exact clones of GC police with the token policemans moustaches and fat belly's. Perhaps they are looking for you?

TRNC make no claim over the South and regard the Green Line as their border, so policemen ask to see credentials of people entering, as they see it, their country.

RoC claim sovereignty over the North but still have policemen checking credentials at the Green Line crossings as people move about, what they see, as their country. Now that's odder.

Just pragmatism.

Are the settlers and illegal immigrants you bring over from Syria etc., just moving about their own country?

And that is why there are policemen on both sides of the Green Line checking credentials. Just pragmatism.

Prevention is better than cure .... Best if you Turks did not carry out these outrageous illegalities in the first place.

Then we would not "need" a "border" to start with!

Answer the question please.

There are only two questions in the quotes ..... Deniz's joke from ages ago, then mine?

Which one do you want me to answer ...

[observer]

If you mean exactly! you prefer to ignore the GC illegalities of 1963, 1967 and 1974 then it's difficult to have a sensible conversation.

It is possible that you refer to the division of the island. In 1974 both Clerides and Denktas, in Geneva, agreed that the 1960 Constitution and the events leading to 1974 meant that it was necessary to have a fundemental revision of the governmental system. To quote Clerides press statement "They have agreed that this revision must result in the establishment of a system based on the existence of two autonomous administrations, united under a central government".

Every attempt to secure what both leaders agreed then has been rejected by one side or the other ever since.

We were moving to your present-day illegalities, of settlers and illegal immigrants brought to Cyprus by the Turks, hence why I said you can halt them now ... because they are still happening now!

I don't know why I have to keep posting this. Perhaps it's because so many people have made up their minds and don't want to be interrupted with the truth.

For about the last 4 years people from Turkey have required visas to work and live in Cyprus, just like every other nationality (and like in RoC I presume). When the law was issued, the port was crowded with illegal Turkish workers returning home because the fines, which increase daily, were as much as their pay.

Today there are Turkish visitors on visitors visas, students on students visas, workers on workers visas.

Please excuse me not using large letters (irritating habit) because I think you can read normal size print, but, it has stopped.

Turkish people arriving in TRNC today are as much settlers as Sri Lankans arriving in RoC.

[Oracle]

If you mean exactly! you prefer to ignore the GC illegalities of 1963, 1967 and 1974 then it's difficult to have a sensible conversation.

It is possible that you refer to the division of the island. In 1974 both Clerides and Denktas, in Geneva, agreed that the 1960 Constitution and the events leading to 1974 meant that it was necessary to have a fundemental revision of the governmental system. To quote Clerides press statement "They have agreed that this revision must result in the establishment of a system based on the existence of two autonomous administrations, united under a central government".

Every attempt to secure what both leaders agreed then has been rejected by one side or the other ever since.

We were moving to your present-day illegalities, of settlers and illegal immigrants brought to Cyprus by the Turks, hence why I said you can halt them now ... because they are still happening now!

I don't know why I have to keep posting this. Perhaps it's because so many people have made up their minds and don't want to be interrupted with the truth.

For about the last 4 years people from Turkey have required visas to work and live in Cyprus, just like every other nationality (and like in RoC I presume). When the law was issued, the port was crowded with illegal Turkish workers returning home because the fines, which increase daily, were as much as their pay.

Today there are Turkish visitors on visitors visas, students on students visas, workers on workers visas.

Please excuse me not using large letters (irritating habit) because I think you can read normal size print, but, it has stopped.

Turkish people arriving in TRNC today are as much settlers as Sri Lankans arriving in RoC.

Observer, if you care to observe, the size of the print is the same.

If words are in bold it is to accentuate, much as you would in speech ..... or are you monotonous?

Your "arrivals" in the "TRNC" are about as legal as the presence of the Turkish Troops!

[DT.]

so after 34 years of doing it you've now stopped. Whoop-de-doo.

Whats funny though is the amount of journo's from the north who keep writing about the constant settlers arrival and keep blaming talat's admin for the mess. They don't think its stopped and we're not just talking about Levent.