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[humanist]

VP

You are right the "ROC" is 63% of this island and the other 37% is the TRNC, reality we are here and have no intentions of going anywhere.

VP I have never said that you are not here and that you should be going anywhere, the only place I would suggest you go is to your homelands in pahos, lemesos and larnaca. the trnc is land held hostage by Turkey and some self serving TC"s and is not recognised by anyone other than those supporting the attrocities of the Turkish invasion of 1974.

[Viewpoint]

VP

You are right the "ROC" is 63% of this island and the other 37% is the TRNC, reality we are here and have no intentions of going anywhere.

VP I have never said that you are not here and that you should be going anywhere, the only place I would suggest you go is to your homelands in pahos, lemesos and larnaca. the trnc is land held hostage by Turkey and some self serving TC"s and is not recognised by anyone other than those supporting the attrocities of the Turkish invasion of 1974.

humanist I am happy where I am, I do not want to move to a foreign place otherwise I would have stayed in the UK. You still have not come to terms with the reality that 80% of TCs regards the TRNC as their home not the "RoC", thats a distant bad memory which we do not want to return to.

[humanist]

VP

humanist I am happy where I am, I do not want to move to a foreign place otherwise I would have stayed in the UK. You still have not come to terms with the reality that 80% of TCs regards the TRNC as their home not the "RoC", thats a distant bad memory which we do not want to return to.

yes am sure you are, free loading is always beneficial isn't it VP.

[eracles]

From today's cyprus mail - opinion...basically says talat is playing dirty and trying to put christofias on the defensive immediately -
i agree - this is the game ankara calls 'two steps ahead', on the packet it says, comprehensive peaceful solution - inside it's pure geopolitcal strategy. Sorry talat but you have lost any respect I had for you.

"Opinion

FOR THE three decades that the autocratic Rauf Denktash was calling the shots in the occupied north, the Greek Cypriot side was perched on the moral high ground, scoring regular victories in the Cyprus problem stakes, with minimal effort. All it had to do was respond positively to the invitations to talks by the UN Secretary-general, adopt a sensible, constructive stance and then wait for the predictable Denktash to throw a spanner in the works and block everything.

This happened time and again over the years, the irrepressible Denktash always happy to foot the blame for the deadlock or complete collapse of talks. As long as he had the backing of the Turkish government, he could not care less about being in the role of uncompromising villain preventing a solution. This suited the Greek Cypriot leadership, as it kept winning the blame-game in the eyes of the international community, without having to do very much. Even Tassos Papadopoulos was considered a moderate chap committed to a settlement after his first showdown with Denktash in The Hague in 2003.

But then the unimaginable happened. Turkey’s new government withdrew the support Denktash considered a given, and he was replaced as ‘president’ by Mehmet Ali Talat, a moderate committed to a settlement. He campaigned for acceptance of the Annan plan and after the overwhelming majority of Turkish Cypriots voted ‘yes’, Talat became the darling of the international community while Papadopoulos, who had urged its rejection, was given the status of pariah. He kept this status for the rest of his term as president, thanks to his unconcealed bad faith, obstructionism and obdurate refusal to engage in any form of substantive talks.

The role reversal was complete, with the ‘president’ of the pseudo-state being treated as a head of state by European governments while the President of the Republic was just a step away from being declared persona non grata. The election of Demetris Christofias last Sunday could change everything, as his main campaign promise was to direct all his efforts on securing a settlement, a pledge he strongly emphasised in his first speech as president on Thursday.

Instead of confining himself to welcoming Christofias’ election, until the first direct meeting, Talat has been making statements that could easily be construed as an attempt to put Christofias on the defensive from the word ‘go’. He has cast aspersions on Christofias’ commitment to a settlement, on the grounds that he was elected with Papadopoulos’ backing, while setting a host of conditions that he expects the new president to satisfy. These tactics are reminiscent of Denktash, who made a habit of publicising the content of negotiations and publicly antagonising the Greek Cypriot side. The ploy was aimed at cultivating a negative climate and putting the Cypriot president under pressure from the media, which were always happy to oblige.

Has Talat grown so comfortable sitting on the moral high ground that he is not even willing to allow a new peace drive to succeed? Is he already taking steps to ensure failure? This is the impression given by his insistence that the talks should be based on the Annan plan and that the new state should emanate from a ‘virgin birth’. Does making these views public knowledge serve any useful purpose, other than as preparation for the blame-game that invariably follows deadlock? Talat is not exactly helping cultivate a positive climate by setting his stall out and giving ammunition to Greek Cypriots opposed to a settlement, to turn the screw on Christofias before the two have even met.

What is Talat’s objective? If it is to engage in substantive talks, in good faith, with Christofias for an overall settlement, then he is going about this in the wrong way. He could at least wait for his meeting with the new president, before mouthing off his demands and the form the settlement should take. He is experienced enough in the history of Cyprus problem to know that grandstanding and negotiating in public are the best route to failure, which, we would like to think, is not his objective. Unless of course, Greek Cypriot hard-liners have been right all along in claiming that Talat was another ‘Denktash’, but with better PR skills. "

[denizaksulu]

The President’s office has announced that it has sent a letter to the UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon providing a clear outline of the Turkish Cypriot Side’s position on the Cyprus Problem.
aim of the letter sent to the UN Secretary General was to assist the United Nations in its preparations to launch a new initiative on the Cyprus Problem.exact contents of the letter were being kept confidential so as not to give room for speculations or discussion.

I didn't realise the President of the Republic of Cyprus has acted so quickly. Good on you Mr Christofias.

[Kifeas]

The President’s office has announced that it has sent a letter to the UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon providing a clear outline of the Turkish Cypriot Side’s position on the Cyprus Problem.
aim of the letter sent to the UN Secretary General was to assist the United Nations in its preparations to launch a new initiative on the Cyprus Problem.exact contents of the letter were being kept confidential so as not to give room for speculations or discussion.

I didn't realise the President of the Republic of Cyprus has acted so quickly. Good on you Mr Christofias.

Humanist ,
i mean president Talat.
Talat has written Turkish Cypriots side position to UN's.

Tell us,Halil gardash, has Talat's spokesperson,Mr Ercakica, started complaining about President Hristofias yet???How long do you think it will take him to tarnish Hristofias with Tpapa brush???

Is this what it is all about??? Getting in first before people start to question who is really for a solution and who is just playing games???

President Christofias has called on Talat to lower his tone because he will damage the process before it even starts.

Basically he said "cut the crap"

President Talat basically said : Bi-communial ,Bi-zonal ,equal partnership ,
and guarantor status of Turkey will continue .
He is ready to start with Annan Plan 5th edition.

Halil, the last time Talat put his signature on a document, it was on the "8th of July" agreement in 2006! This was 2 years after the Anan plan referendum! Do you remember what this agreement says? If you do not, go back, find it and read it! If the document says negotiations should start from the Anan plan 5, then come back and tell us in which line of which paragraph it does! It is clear that Talat is not interested in a solution, and he is not capable to even honor his own agreements and signatures! How can the rest of the world, the UN and the EU take him seriously –set aside we GCs, I wonder?

[humanist]

Halil, the last time Talat put his signature on a document, it was on the "8th of July" agreement in 2006! This was 2 years after the Anan plan referendum! Do you remember what this agreement says? If you do not, go back, find it and read it! If the document says negotiations should start from the Anan plan 5, then come back and tell us in which line of which paragraph it does! It is clear that Talat is not interested in a solution, and he is not capable to even honor his own agreements and signatures! How can the rest of the world, the UN and the EU take him seriously –set aside we GCs, I wonder?

well ther is nothing more to be set on this matter I think that just about captures it all.

Things will get more difficult, bacause Talat and his croonies are now backing on the same solution as Kosovo. We'll still be talking about the Cypro in 20 years boys and girls/men and women.

[Brittania]

If you don't mind me butting in away from the General Pages, I must agree here that the TC president is extremely inconsistent. I followed that 8th July agreement and saw its development as little by little it became more and more discredited and set aside by the Turkish side.

Why sign something and then not follow through, it promotes suspicion on the other side that no matter what agreement is reached there would be no point in signing it.

[DT.]

If you don't mind me butting in away from the General Pages, I must agree here that the TC president is extremely inconsistent. I followed that 8th July agreement and saw its development as little by little it became more and more discredited and set aside by the Turkish side.

Why sign something and then not follow through, it promotes suspicion on the other side that no matter what agreement is reached there would be no point in signing it.

you're new and foreign so i'll cut you a break today. Next time check the correct terminology on how to address a leader of a community. It is disrespectful to his counterparts, the UN and to himself since you will be building up false hopes for the man.

[bill cobbett]

If you don't mind me butting in away from the General Pages, I must agree here that the TC president is extremely inconsistent. I followed that 8th July agreement and saw its development as little by little it became more and more discredited and set aside by the Turkish side.

Why sign something and then not follow through, it promotes suspicion on the other side that no matter what agreement is reached there would be no point in signing it.

you're new and foreign so i'll cut you a break today. Next time check the correct terminology on how to address a leader of a community. It is disrespectful to his counterparts, the UN and to himself since you will be building up false hopes for the man.

Although I'm sure we can all think of a couple of words in the Cypriot dialect that start with the letter "p" to describe Talot, to his/her credit Britannia does use a lower-case "p" in the word president.