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[brother]

Athens cheers 'casus belli' proposal
Saturday, April 9, 2005





ANKARA – Turkish Daily News


Greece has welcomed a controversial proposal by Bülent Arınç, the parliamentary speaker, suggesting that Turkey should reconsider its description of Greek attempts to extend its territorial waters in the Aegean as a “casus belli,” a reason to declare war with Greece.

Greek Foreign Minister Petros Moliviatis said such statements constituted a step forward in furthering the improving bilateral ties between Turkey and Greece, while the Greek media gave extensive coverage to Arınç's proposal.



IS Turkey maturing into a decent country ready to talk and not war or what?

[brother]

ALGIERS - Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul said, ''Turkey and Greece exert efforts and show will to solve their problems in peaceful ways.''

Gul replied questions of reporters aboard the plane en route to Algeria on Saturday.

Regarding discussions on 'casus belli', Gul said, ''Turkey and Greece exert efforts and show will to solve their problems in peaceful ways. We should show our capacities which will bring solution. Steps are taken on this path.''

''These issues should be taken up in a way to contribute to solve problems in the region and to make cooperation as a symbol of peace. It will be for the interest of everybody,'' he added.


http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=40173


Looking good, is a big development coming and they are getting the people used to the idea .

[Kifeas]

Regarding discussions on 'casus belli', Gul said, ''Turkey and Greece exert efforts and show will to solve their problems in peaceful ways. We should show our capacities which will bring solution. Steps are taken on this path.''

''These issues should be taken up in a way to contribute to solve problems in the region and to make cooperation as a symbol of peace. It will be for the interest of everybody,'' he added.

Well, I am indeed puzzled as to what these words by Gul mean. Can anyone translate them for me please? Does he agree with the change of policy on “casus belli” or not?

[turkkan]

good evening, i am new to the site,from lefkosa. Lets clarify somethings relating to the head of the turkish parliaments comments. His comments states specifically that since the resolution to go to war with greece in the case of its expansion of its maritime bounday to 12nm was never voted on it is void. He did not mention he was against it however, he just said it should be brought up again in parliament. Gul however later stated

'Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul on Friday told journalists that there had been no change in Ankara’s stand of opposing attempt by Athens to impose a 12 mile territorial waters limit. '

There is no change in policy.

[MicAtCyp]

Greece has welcomed a controversial proposal by Bulent Ar?nc, the parliamentary speaker, suggesting that Turkey should reconsider its description of Greek attempts to extend its territorial waters in the Aegean as a "casus belli," a reason to declare war with Greece.

So what does the word re-consider mean Turkkan?

In my opinion this just another demonstration of the many decision centers in Turkey. Somebody says this somebody says that in the end they all say nothing changed because the parliament did not decide...

Typical.That's what they did to the Americans regarding the Irag war, thats what they would do to us if we accepted the Anan Plan.

[brother]

I think turkey and greece found a solution some time ago and are waiting for the right time to sell it the people and all these news reports and statements are just the lead up to it.

Maybe wishful thinking on my behalf but my glass is half full.

[turkkan]

So what does the word re-consider mean Turkkan?
FIrstly, it was a proposal by the head of parliament for the simple reason that it was not voted on.


In my opinion this just another demonstration of the many decision centers in Turkey. Somebody says this somebody says that in the end they all say nothing changed because the parliament did not decide...

That somebody, was head of parliament who 'proposed' a change for the reason I outlined before. It was rejected by the goverment. It is really as simple as that, not a demonstration of anything as you claim. It will be left as it is, if it is taken for a vote in parliament it will pass without a doubt, but a new vote will hinder relations with greece so it will stay as it is.


Typical.That's what they did to the Americans regarding the Irag war, thats what they would do to us if we accepted the Anan Plan

Although I really dont know what you found typical from all this let me adress the above two points. The american proposal was rejected by 3 backbenchers in the parliament and for the simple reason that public opinion was against it, it was stupidly not taken to parliament early enough
before public opinion boiled over, and lastly but certainly not least, the insulting comments depicted by foreign publications on turkeys bargaining with the US. Second, considering public opinion in south cyprus, and greece was even stronger against the war than that in turkey what are you exactly complaining about?

Concerning the annan plan, since you claim it was turkeys dream solution, then there would be no reason to reject it would it.

Tnx.

'I think turkey and greece found a solution some time ago and are waiting for the right time to sell it the people and all these news reports and statements are just the lead up to it. '

And what exactly are you basing these thoughts on?

tnx

[brother]

I am basing it on a theory that many things that happen in politics are always pre-arranged before being played out to the trusting public, but this is my opinion.

[turkkan]

Thats it?and what indication have you gotten that this particular problem has been solved? Lets say in the unlikely event you are right however, the most that was agreed upon was to take this case to the hague.

[brother]

Hi turkkan,

firstly welcome to the forum, now about my post, this forum is about airing our opinions and thoughts as such but what is baffling me is why you are so angry at my response, are you a TC or mainland turk, if you do not mind me asking.