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[miltiades]

Bucksboy wrote:
"""I and most others live within the restrictions of the society/country we happen to be living in and are happy to do so. That doesn't make it ok though NOT to criticise Cypriots (for instance) who are cruel to animals. I try to make change but how do you stop that being thought of as imposing your will on others?"""

It is the duty of every civilized human being regardless whether he or she were born elsewhere , to criticize out loud when confronted with uncivilized acts one of them the mistreatment of animals. If you live in a country YOU have a perfect right to voice your opinions without the fear of being asked to pack up and leave.
I live in the UK and believe me I DO SHOUT OUT LOUD when confronted with absurdities and illegal actions by our beloved Traffic Wardens !!!
Carry on mate , do complain when you witness cruelty on animals , this is the only way that the locals get to question their acts.

[Bucksboy]

I see no one has actually addressed the question of why their lifestyle is better than that of the average Cypriot.

.... anyone venture a nugget?

So why is your Zeitgeist better than Cypriot Zeitgeist?

Oracle,
It depends what your lifestyle is. Can you enlarge and tell us with your experience what comprises the Cypriot lifestyle?

[Bucksboy]

Bucksboy wrote:
"""I and most others live within the restrictions of the society/country we happen to be living in and are happy to do so. That doesn't make it ok though NOT to criticise Cypriots (for instance) who are cruel to animals. I try to make change but how do you stop that being thought of as imposing your will on others?"""

It is the duty of every civilized human being regardless whether he or she were born elsewhere , to criticize out loud when confronted with uncivilized acts one of them the mistreatment of animals. If you live in a country YOU have a perfect right to voice your opinions without the fear of being asked to pack up and leave.
I live in the UK and believe me I DO SHOUT OUT LOUD when confronted with absurdities and illegal actions by our beloved Traffic Wardens !!!
Carry on mate , do complain when you witness cruelty on animals , this is the only way that the locals get to question their acts.

Miltiades,

Would support you 100% regarding traffic wardens. Most of them are devoid of any reasoning whatever and are total zombies!

Cruelty to animals in Cyprus touches an emotive nerve with most Brits in Cyprus and we all know about the cruelty in the UK and elswhere in the world. We who live here have to deal with the cases here in Cyprus of neglect and cruelty and it needs to change. Oracle is perhaps confusing the call for change with that of imposing the will of foreigners. I doubt that any responsible thinking person could NOT see the call for change in this branch of the "Cypriot Way Of Life"

[miltiades]

Believe me Bucksboy when I say that animal welfare in Cyprus has improved over the years , cruelty to animals when I was a young boy growing up in Cyprus was rampant. Those of my compatriots who often state that cruelty to animals also exists in the UK fail to see the difference . The "system" in the UK not only comes abhors such acts it also has in place laws governing cruelty to animals , and such vile acts are committed by " criminal" elements and the mentally unstable , where in Cyprus such acts are committed by otherwise sensible and reasonable people who fail to see anything wrong in mistreating their animals. Education is working , the Brits and Charlies ( English Cypriots ) are contributing a great deal towards educating and changing outdated perceptions of animals.
Back to the Cypriot way of life , I think the family strong links are admirable , the fact that the parents consider it their duty to provide for their children , not having to be forced by legal means , hospitality and integrity form a great aspect of the overall Cypriot way of life. I'm lucky I can take the good from the British way of life and the good from the Cypriot way of life !!!

[Oracle]

I will repeat the message again as it is failing to hit home.

People's nature is the same wherever you go ... there are the same proportion of cruel people everywhere.

Cypriots are no more cruel than anybody else ... those of you who have been saying they are ... are "racists".

The lifestyle changes that were being branded about by various members (who I know are slowly changing their tack .. good they are learning) ...... are to emotionally blackmail Cypriots into giving up nurturing orphans and the elderly so that they spend more time looking after animals.


As a Biologist ... my priorities lie with animals.

Humans are animals too.

Human nature changes according to its environment.
Therefore, create a healthy environment and you may reduce any inherent cruelty (or you may increase it ). ... however I predict the former.

I think we all agree Cyprus is already a healthier environment than the UK.

So what is it that needs to change?

Perhaps the way stray and abused animals are cared for needs looking at?
Animal shelters / Charities may be adding to the problem .... if people absolve responsibility to them. After all this is how the problem was tackled in the UK and now these Charities are big business because they have created the conditions for their own survival.

Perhaps the easy availability of animals as pets needs to be curbed? ... I was shocked to find out yesterday, a Husky costs only 200 Euros to buy.

Suggestions?

[Brittania]

I will repeat the message again as it is failing to hit home.

People's nature is the same wherever you go ... there are the same proportion of cruel people everywhere.
Cypriots are no more cruel than anybody else ... those of you who have been saying they are ... are "racists".

The lifestyle changes that were being branded about by various members (who I know are slowly changing their tack .. good they are learning) ...... are to emotionally blackmail Cypriots into giving up nurturing orphans and the elderly so that they spend more time looking after animals.


As a Biologist ... my priorities lie with animals.

Humans are animals too.

Human nature changes according to its environment.
Therefore, create a healthy environment and you may reduce any inherent cruelty (or you may increase it ). ... however I predict the former.

I think we all agree Cyprus is already a healthier environment than the UK.

So what is it that needs to change?

Perhaps the way stray and abused animals are cared for needs looking at?
Animal shelters / Charities may be adding to the problem .... if people absolve responsibility to them. After all this is how the problem was tackled in the UK and now these Charities are big business because they have created the conditions for their own survival.

Perhaps the easy availability of animals as pets needs to be curbed? ... I was shocked to find out yesterday, a Husky costs only 200 Euros to buy.

Suggestions?

You haven't been using your rule on some posts regarding Turks

[miltiades]

Cruelty to animals exists in the UK no one can deny it, but in the UK society at large condemns such cruelty the perpetrators of which are usually either sick in the mind or just cruel people by nature.The cruelty however in Cyprus IS NOT carried out by sick and cruel people but ordinary community members who see nothing wrong in having a dog tied up in the back yard twenty four f..ng hours a day , that is the difference , the observants of such inhumane treatment accept the fact that the dog is tied up because this is the way to keep dogs. That my dear OP is the vast difference, and we aim to change attitudes in time .
A donkey is an animal very placid by nature , in Cyprus the word donkey is a derogatory word and if you call someone a donkey is considered extremely offensive and yet these poor animals are made to work so hard with such little in return.

[Brittania]

sorry didn't mean to be rude...its just that i've been reading your posts regarding some Turkish Cypriots and they seem to brand everyone with the same brush! I was very shocked when i read it.

[cyprusgrump]

I will repeat the message again as it is failing to hit home.

People's nature is the same wherever you go ... there are the same proportion of cruel people everywhere.

Cypriots are no more cruel than anybody else ... those of you who have been saying they are ... are "racists".

The lifestyle changes that were being branded about by various members (who I know are slowly changing their tack .. good they are learning) ...... are to emotionally blackmail Cypriots into giving up nurturing orphans and the elderly so that they spend more time looking after animals.


As a Biologist ... my priorities lie with animals.

Humans are animals too.

Human nature changes according to its environment.
Therefore, create a healthy environment and you may reduce any inherent cruelty (or you may increase it ). ... however I predict the former.

I think we all agree Cyprus is already a healthier environment than the UK.

So what is it that needs to change?

Perhaps the way stray and abused animals are cared for needs looking at?
Animal shelters / Charities may be adding to the problem .... if people absolve responsibility to them. After all this is how the problem was tackled in the UK and now these Charities are big business because they have created the conditions for their own survival.

Perhaps the easy availability of animals as pets needs to be curbed? ... I was shocked to find out yesterday, a Husky costs only 200 Euros to buy.

Suggestions?

Although there must be people that buy dogs in pet shops and then find they can’t look after them I don’t believe it is the main issue here in Cyprus. Perhaps bucksboy can tell us what proportion of their current residents are purebreds and what are ‘bitsas’?

It seems to me that Cypriots do not believe in neutering their animals and the resulting offspring are just dumped in the hope that some expat will take care of the situation for them.

I believe that it is in part then self-sustaining – the animals are dumped, the majority are adopted or carted off to homes which means the problem magically goes away – unless you go and visit the homes with hundreds of abandoned dogs and cats of course. Out of sight is out of mind…

I don’t think the problem will be solved until the expat community stops ‘solving’ the problem or perhaps even better takes the dumped animals to the village office and makes it their problem.

[Oracle]

sorry didn't mean to be rude...its just that i've been reading your posts regarding some Turkish Cypriots and they seem to brand everyone with the same brush! I was very shocked when i read it.

Welcome Brittania .... wishing you luck in ruling the waves on the forum

..... Is there a reason for the non-traditional spelling?

My complaint is with the Turks and the supporters of partition and continued occupation of Cyprus.

It is with some of their memes I have issue with .... none of their genes.

Perhaps the Turk's Zeitgeist needs to go under the microscope 8)