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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:14 am

humanist wrote:
I beg to differ,George...The only was to really make sure Turkey will never set foot on Cyprus soil is to demilitarise...
In fact, the most effective move the new President can make now towards peace would be to demilitarise. Turkey would have absolutely no justification to to keep her 40,000 troops in the North...


Here's a man who speaks sense. Congratulations Birkibrisli :)


Thank you,dear Andreas... :)

I see Nikitas' point as well...perhaps some form of coast guard would do the trick...Sense dictates that our country is too small to effectively defend itself...So a coast guard and some forum of internal security force are plenty in my opinion...
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Postby humanist » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:23 am

I suggest that we seek support from our ( ;) :):) ) so called partner the EU community to provide support in protecting our sovereinghty, given that Turkey will become a member of the EU community then she'll have a place to play in protecting the freedoms of all Cypriots not just the select few.
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Postby GeorgeV97qaue » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:55 am

BirKibrisli wrote:
GeorgeV97qaue wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:why not demilitarise the whole island?
 :?  Did you think long and hard about this?
and your issue is? :?
I have an issue with that. Demilitarise the island and leave ourselves open any futre attack by Turkey. Do you think we are stupid. We could never trust Turkey they could do what they did in 1974 and we wouldnt be able to protect ourselves.Forget it. New Cyprus Army 50% TC & 50% GC.
I beg to differ,George...The only was to really make sure Turkey will never set foot on Cyprus soil is to demilitarise...In fact, the most effective move the new President can make now towards peace would be to demilitarise. Turkey would have absolutely no justification to to keep her 40,000 troops in the North...
You speak sence when you put it like that.
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Postby Oracle » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:58 am

BirKibrisli wrote:
GeorgeV97qaue wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:why not demilitarise the whole island?


:? Did you think long and hard about this?


and your issue is? :?


I have an issue with that. Demilitarise the island and leave ourselves open any futre attack by Turkey. Do you think we are stupid. We could never trust Turkey they could do what they did in 1974 and we wouldnt be able to protect ourselves.

Forget it. New Cyprus Army 50% TC & 50% GC.


I beg to differ,George...The only was to really make sure Turkey will never set foot on Cyprus soil is to demilitarise...
In fact, the most effective move the new President can make now towards peace would be to demilitarise. Turkey would have absolutely no justification to to keep her 40,000 troops in the North...

Turkey has no justification for keeping 40,000 troops on Cyprus now .... yet she does!

If Turkey were to conduct herself according to "justifications" she may become trustworthy. But for now, there is no record of Turkey observing codes of justice.
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:01 am

BirKibrisli wrote:
GeorgeV97qaue wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:why not demilitarise the whole island?


:? Did you think long and hard about this?


and your issue is? :?


I have an issue with that. Demilitarise the island and leave ourselves open any futre attack by Turkey. Do you think we are stupid. We could never trust Turkey they could do what they did in 1974 and we wouldnt be able to protect ourselves.

Forget it. New Cyprus Army 50% TC & 50% GC.


I beg to differ,George...The only was to really make sure Turkey will never set foot on Cyprus soil is to demilitarise...
In fact, the most effective move the new President can make now towards peace would be to demilitarise. Turkey would have absolutely no justification to to keep her 40,000 troops in the North...


Bir, there is an even better way to make sure that Turkey will never set foot on Cyprus soil! This if Turkey demilitarises itself, and therefore it will have no troops to send to Cyprus in the first place! Ater all, if it is good for Cyprus, then it must be good for Turkey too, i.e. to demilitarise itself! :wink:

PS: As you live your house in Catumba to drive Sydney, I suggest you live it unlocked and the doors wide open, becasue this is the best way to make sure thieves will never break into it! :wink:

On a more serious note, I would rather agree with Bir, had Turkey being a country characterized by its sound political, democratic and social culture! If Turkey ever becomes the Switzerland of the Middle East, I will definitely take Bir’s advice very seriously!
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:24 am

Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
GeorgeV97qaue wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:why not demilitarise the whole island?


:? Did you think long and hard about this?


and your issue is? :?


I have an issue with that. Demilitarise the island and leave ourselves open any futre attack by Turkey. Do you think we are stupid. We could never trust Turkey they could do what they did in 1974 and we wouldnt be able to protect ourselves.

Forget it. New Cyprus Army 50% TC & 50% GC.


I beg to differ,George...The only was to really make sure Turkey will never set foot on Cyprus soil is to demilitarise...
In fact, the most effective move the new President can make now towards peace would be to demilitarise. Turkey would have absolutely no justification to to keep her 40,000 troops in the North...

Turkey has no justification for keeping 40,000 troops on Cyprus now .... yet she does!

If Turkey were to conduct herself according to "justifications" she may become trustworthy. But for now, there is no record of Turkey observing codes of justice.


You will be surprised,Oracle,how many people will come to the party if one takes the moral high ground...Saying "Turkey has no justification now" will not make the world stand and take notice...Demilitarisation will...
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:38 am

Kifeas wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
GeorgeV97qaue wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:why not demilitarise the whole island?


:? Did you think long and hard about this?


and your issue is? :?


I have an issue with that. Demilitarise the island and leave ourselves open any futre attack by Turkey. Do you think we are stupid. We could never trust Turkey they could do what they did in 1974 and we wouldnt be able to protect ourselves.

Forget it. New Cyprus Army 50% TC & 50% GC.


I beg to differ,George...The only was to really make sure Turkey will never set foot on Cyprus soil is to demilitarise...
In fact, the most effective move the new President can make now towards peace would be to demilitarise. Turkey would have absolutely no justification to to keep her 40,000 troops in the North...


Bir, there is an even better way to make sure that Turkey will never set foot on Cyprus soil! This if Turkey demilitarises itself, and therefore it will have no troops to send to Cyprus in the first place! Ater all, if it is good for Cyprus, then it must be good for Turkey too, i.e. to demilitarise itself! :wink:

PS: As you live your house in Catumba to drive Sydney, I suggest you live it unlocked and the doors wide open, becasue this is the best way to make sure thieves will never break into it! :wink:

On a more serious note, I would rather agree with Bir, had Turkey being a country characterized by its sound political, democratic and social culture! If Turkey ever becomes the Switzerland of the Middle East, I will definitely take Bir’s advice very seriously!


Well,dear Kifeas, we both know that will not happen in our lifetime...
Sometimes when one thinks outside the square,miracles seem to happen...If you are not strong enough to take on your feared neighbour,it makes sense to let the world know you are not afraid to become vulnerable,and take the high passivist ground...Not that I am holding my breath. :wink:

On a serious note, I do in fact leave my car unlocked and nothing of value inside,when I park it on the road outside my house. No one has ever attempted to break in...Before,when I was in the habit of locking it I was broken in twice...Once they broke the drivers window to steal some small change in the ashtray...It cost me 500 dollars to fix... :)
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Postby pantheman » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:14 pm

By demilitarising are you also referring to the UK Bases?? US airfields in the north and so on. Or are we just talking silly buggers again.

Turkey should just leave us the hell alone, we are a sovereign nation we don't F***ing need her approval. If we want to have an army thats upto us. With or with out troops if Turkey wants to invade again she will end of.

So, lets just get our brains in gear before we start spewing the same crap that some others here do.
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:24 pm

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Postby BC Numismatics » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:33 pm

pantheman wrote:By demilitarising are you also referring to the UK Bases?? US airfields in the north and so on. Or are we just talking silly buggers again.

Turkey should just leave us the hell alone, we are a sovereign nation we don't F***ing need her approval. If we want to have an army thats upto us. With or with out troops if Turkey wants to invade again she will end of.

So, lets just get our brains in gear before we start spewing the same crap that some others here do.


Pantheman,the Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri & Dhekelia have done a lot of good for the Cypriot economy.Forcing the British to close them down & cede the land will do more harm than good.

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