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[Get Real!]

why not demilitarise the whole island?

Did you think long and hard about this?

and your issue is?

If and when this island is liberated from all foreign influences and Cypriot nationalism spreads to all four corners of it as it should, and pseudo-Cypriotism is forever crushed, we will need as big and strong a military as possible to preserve that.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

Well said Get Real

[CopperLine]

Get Real
Get real : Cyprus is never going to be

liberated from all foreign influences

Its history has always been international - as many in this forum keep reminding, albeit with regret. In the twenty-first century no country is capable of ridding foreign influence, and the closest examples of meeting that ideal are hardly inspiring ... North Korea, Myanmar.

The question is not how to get rid of foreign influence but how does one live with foreign influence and which influences are positive and which are negative. Probably the worst foreign influence in Cyprus has been .... nationalism.

[Get Real!]

Get Real
Get real : Cyprus is never going to be

liberated from all foreign influences

Its history has always been international - as many in this forum keep reminding, albeit with regret. In the twenty-first century no country is capable of ridding foreign influence, and the closest examples of meeting that ideal are hardly inspiring ... North Korea, Myanmar.

The world is ever-changing and unpredictable so I'm reluctant to speculate with any level of accuracy on that...

The question is not how to get rid of foreign influence but how does one live with foreign influence and which influences are positive and which are negative. Probably the worst foreign influence in Cyprus has been .... nationalism.

As I’ve said in the past, Cypriot nationalism is the ONLY form of nationalism that has NEVER been exercised on this island, yet one would think that it’s the only one that should’ve been!

Btw, when I use the word “nationalism” I refer to it in its purest form and not the gimmick version created by trouble makers the world around.

[bill cobbett]

In any event our new and second European identity and the new world order or globalisation will keep caps of sorts on the uglier forms of nationalism.

[BirKibrisli]

why not demilitarise the whole island?

Did you think long and hard about this?

and your issue is?

I have an issue with that. Demilitarise the island and leave ourselves open any futre attack by Turkey. Do you think we are stupid. We could never trust Turkey they could do what they did in 1974 and we wouldnt be able to protect ourselves.

Forget it. New Cyprus Army 50% TC & 50% GC.

I beg to differ,George...The only was to really make sure Turkey will never set foot on Cyprus soil is to demilitarise...
In fact, the most effective move the new President can make now towards peace would be to demilitarise. Turkey would have absolutely no justification to to keep her 40,000 troops in the North...

[Nikitas]

Turkey is not the only threat in our area. Not having the means to protect territory is not the way to true independence.

To give a hypothetical but not improbable event: when we solve our problem and are pushing forth with the exploitation of our resources, like our fisheries, and a foreign tralwer, ie Japanese, starts fishing in Cyprus fishing zones,m what do we do? Run like cry babies to our two mother lands to protect our property? Not very satisfactory. An army is perhaps not really necessary, but some kind of navy and air defence is definitely needed.

[Get Real!]

why not demilitarise the whole island?

Did you think long and hard about this?

and your issue is?

I have an issue with that. Demilitarise the island and leave ourselves open any futre attack by Turkey. Do you think we are stupid. We could never trust Turkey they could do what they did in 1974 and we wouldnt be able to protect ourselves.

Forget it. New Cyprus Army 50% TC & 50% GC.

I beg to differ,George...The only was to really make sure Turkey will never set foot on Cyprus soil is to demilitarise...
In fact, the most effective move the new President can make now towards peace would be to demilitarise. Turkey would have absolutely no justification to to keep her 40,000 troops in the North...

The National Guard has the right and responsibility to defend Cyprus’ sovereignty and her citizens but does not have the right to appease the enemy in the hope that they will reconsider their illegal stance.

[humanist]

I beg to differ,George...The only was to really make sure Turkey will never set foot on Cyprus soil is to demilitarise...
In fact, the most effective move the new President can make now towards peace would be to demilitarise. Turkey would have absolutely no justification to to keep her 40,000 troops in the North...

Here's a man who speaks sense. Congratulations Birkibrisli

[humanist]

Rafaela

Denktas: I Gave the Consent to My Grandson

23 Eylül 2004

Turkish Cypriot President Rauf Denktas stood as protector to his grandson, who gave rise to a scandal by applying for an identity card to the Greek Cypriot Administration. It was Rauf Denktas who gave consent to his grandson.

Rauf Denktas said, "My grandson asked for my consent. And I gave permission.
The Greek Cypriots destroyed the Republic of Cyprus in 1963. My grandson applied to enjoy the EU rights; it is not for the Greek nationality."

The President added, "Up-to-now, I did not say that the ones receiving (Greek Cypriot) identity cards and passports were traitors. If someone proves that I said, he shall come and put it in front of me. If I had said it in the past, it is probably for a different event; we can explain it."

Denktas defended his grandson as follows: "To receive a Greek Cypriot passport means in no way to recognize the Greek Cypriot. It means struggling to regain our EU rights step by step and not letting them seized.
http://hurarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/goster/ ... wid=472401

They hate us, exploit our properties, cry poverty and use us for the passports and ID cards, and think there is nothing wrong. I don't get where integrity comes into it. Or have I just gone mad. Should I start walking all over people and not give a hoot?