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The Turkish Cypriot self-isolation policy from 1963 onwards

Extract from UN document S/6426

106.The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to
rigid stand against any measures which might involve having
members of the two communities live and work together, or which
might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have
to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since
the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and
geographical separation of the communities as a political goal,
it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots
which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an
alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate
policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots. The
Government contends that the hardships suffered by the Turkish
Cypriot population are the direct result of the leadership's
self-isolation policy, imposed by force on the rank and file. The
Turkish Cypriots assert that these hardships are designed by the
Government to pressure the Turkish community into submission and
to destroy politically and that Turkish Cypriots are at one in
their determination to resist.


Regards, GR.

[zan]

Shame you didn't post the chapter before that GR but then that is your style and why I love you so much....





105. The Government, while insisting on its right and
uty to extend its sovereign authority in an ordered
manner over the whole territory of the Republic, was
in general amenable to certain steps toward a restoration
of normality in a number of areas. The Turkish Cypriots
point out, however, that the Government is free to
withdraw concessions at its discretion, as it did in impo-
sing the blockade of Nicosia from 15 April to 3 May
1965 and in occasionally tightening economic restric-
tions, and that, therefore, < normalization > measures
fail to provide the necessary political and security gua-
rantees for the Turkish Cypriot community.

[Oracle]

That paragraph is not condemning of anything the Cypriot government undertook Zan.

The criminals are moaning that they received some punishment ....

Any blockades on the TC community were a direct result of their own actions in trying to destabilise the RoC by opposing constitutional order.

In my opinion such oppressive anti-government activities should rightly be punishable, as they are tantamount to terrorism. Any other country would have reacted in the same way and probably worse.

The economic blockades imposed on the terrorist activities of the TC community that was intent on undermining the Cypriot constitution, were the most civilised way to thwart these constitutionally-destabilising activities of this TC community, their Terrorist TMT leaders and ultimately Turkey.

How would Turkey deal with a minority group that was intent on bringing down its government?....... merely impose economic sanctions ... I think not!

[pantheman]

Shame you didn't post the chapter before that GR but then that is your style and why I love you so much....





105. The Government, while insisting on its right and
uty to extend its sovereign authority in an ordered
manner over the whole territory of the Republic, was
in general amenable to certain steps toward a restoration
of normality in a number of areas. The Turkish Cypriots
point out, however, that the Government is free to
withdraw concessions at its discretion, as it did in impo-
sing the blockade of Nicosia from 15 April to 3 May
1965 and in occasionally tightening economic restric-
tions, and that, therefore, < normalization > measures
fail to provide the necessary political and security gua-
rantees for the Turkish Cypriot community.

Zan, (and to use Miltiades terms) you Plonker.

Its not for GR to show anything. he was putting you straight because again with your selective actions only want to show what suits you. Bravo GR for putting him in his place. You are the bulshitter and poison spreader here, its just fortunate that alot of people here can see you for what you really are, a true Partitionist whose only goal is to destroy the RoC so you can Turkify the island. F you man.

[zan]

That paragraph is not condemning of anything the Cypriot government undertook Zan.

The criminals are moaning that they received some punishment ....

Any blockades on the TC community were a direct result of their own actions in trying to destabilise the RoC by opposing constitutional order.

In my opinion such oppressive anti-government activities should rightly be punishable, as they are tantamount to terrorism. Any other country would have reacted in the same way and probably worse.

The economic blockades imposed on the terrorist activities of the TC community that was intent on undermining the Cypriot constitution, were the most civilised way to thwart these constitutionally-destabilising activities of this TC community, their Terrorist TMT leaders and ultimately Turkey.

How would Turkey deal with a minority group that was intent on bringing down its government?....... merely impose economic sanctions ... I think not!

Gr is drowning...Quick! Throw him an Oracle.......


Latest Report: Two found drowned!!!

[CopperLine]

On Get Real's logic any group of people who band togther, either willingly or as a result of an outside force, to defend themselves are guilty of "self-isolation". Thus on GRs account, the 'self-isolation' in the ghettos in Nazi occupied Europe were the fault of Jews, and not Nazi policy. The corralling of native Americans in reservations was not the policy of federal US government but 'self-isolation' by the amerindians follows that same logic.

In brief, Get Real's explanation here is that victims bring trauma on themselves. Let's not mention any persecutor.

[zan]

On Get Real's logic any group of people who band togther, either willingly or as a result of an outside force, to defend themselves are guilty of "self-isolation". Thus on GRs account, the 'self-isolation' in the ghettos in Nazi occupied Europe were the fault of Jews, and not Nazi policy. The corralling of native Americans in reservations was not the policy of federal US government but 'self-isolation' by the amerindians follows that same logic.

In brief, Get Real's explanation here is that victims bring trauma on themselves. Let's not mention any persecutor.

Why spoil a good propaganda line

[Nikitas]

One fine deail, the start of it all was not udner RoC rule. The self isolation started some years before, in 1957 to be precise when the TC militants would not allow ANY GCs in their areas, not even garbage collectors. So this was not banding together to for defence purposes. THis was a clear exclusion policy and it was not limited to the exclusion of GCs, ALL others were excluded, as happened with the Armenians of Nicosia and later with the Maronites in other areas.

Those here who are Cypriots know the underlying message sent out by TMT- Turks are above all others, they mix with no others, will not tolerate others to be in their midst. It was part of the idiotic policy detailed by Denktash to establish evidence of Turkish historic presence in Cyprus by forbidding people to speak GC dialect, changing village names and a whole bunch of other idiocies that are still continuing to this day in the TRNC where everything is in Turkish only, giving a clear statement that this part is exclusively reserved for TCs.

No, it is does not absolve the GCs but at least on the GC side there was no stalinist crap like changing village names or pretending that the Turkish language did not exist. TO this day street signs and government forms are in both languages.

It is a detail, but one which will give us valuable pointers under any future deal if the TCs insist on keeping it up in the future.

[eracles]

On Get Real's logic any group of people who band togther, either willingly or as a result of an outside force, to defend themselves are guilty of "self-isolation". Thus on GRs account, the 'self-isolation' in the ghettos in Nazi occupied Europe were the fault of Jews, and not Nazi policy. The corralling of native Americans in reservations was not the policy of federal US government but 'self-isolation' by the amerindians follows that same logic.

In brief, Get Real's explanation here is that victims bring trauma on themselves. Let's not mention any persecutor.

It's a shame you seem to be unable to analyse things that oppose your own bias.
Are you saying that Turkish Cypriots were not being manipulated by Turkish nationalists to achieve their aims of partition?
Of course Greek nationalists share the blame also, but don't try to decieve others and least of all yourself with your 'wise' words.
You may say that you were siply opposing GRs line of thought, I disagree. You're simply trying to whitewash the past.

[CopperLine]

Eracles
I was simply pointing out the logic of Get Real's argument.

For your own reasons you wished to read much more into my comment. I can't control for your idle speculations.

For the record, 'blame' is attributable to all sides. For the record, we must not whitewash. For the record, yes I also agree with Nikitas that Turkish Cypriots were subject to the nationalist maneouvrings and schemes of Turkish nationalists both in Cyprus and from Turkey. But again, Get Real's is a perverse logic.