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The Turkish Cypriot self-isolation policy from 1963 onwards

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby paaul12 » Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:58 am

growuptcs wrote:
zan, does your significant other know what you type on these forums? Pathetic, no goals, jibber-jabba that only non educated nationalists from Turkey can only relate to and give a response. Is that what kind of audience you feel happy posting your filth to? Just talk to your hand because no one else wants to hear the same garbage day in and day out. And stop saying this is why we cant live with each other. In other words just GROW THE HELL UP.



It's working then....When you read what I write then I am happy and hopeful that one day you will understand...... I see you have no partner to worry about and have been talking to your hand for a long while



Zan, i do not think that "one day you will understand......" they ever will, no matter how many times they are told the truth, becuse they dont want to know the truth.


keep going my friend, To find what you seek in the road of life, the best proverb of all is that which says: "Leave no stone unturned."
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:06 am

paaul12 wrote:keep going my friend, To find what you seek in the road of life, the best proverb of all is that which says: "Leave no stone unturned."

But I've already given Zanny a free online diagnosis... why tantalize him?
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Postby Natty » Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:06 am

(b) The structure of the state

149. The next important point of divergence between the parties concerns the structure of the independent State. On the one hand, the Greek-Cypriot leadership insists upon a unitary form of government based on the principle of majority rule with protection for the minority. On the other hand, the Turkish-Cypriots envisage a federal system within which there would exist autonomous Turkish-Cypriot and Greek-Cypriot States, the conditions for whose existence would be created by the geographical separation, which they insistently demand of the two communities.

150. It is essential to be clear what this proposal implies. To refer to it simply as "federation" is to oversimplify the matter. What is involved is not merely to establish a federal form of government but also to secure the geographical separation of the two communities. The establishment of a federal regime requires a territorial basis, and this basis does not exist. In an earlier part of this report, I explained the island-wide intermingling in normal times of the Greek-Cypriot and Turkish-Cypriot populations. The events since December 1963 have not basically altered this characteristic; even the enclaves where numbers of Turkish-Cypriots concentrated following the troubles, are widely scattered over the island, while thousands of other Turkish-Cypriots have remained in mixed villages.
151. The reason why the Turkish-Cypriot leadership seeks a geographical separation, which does not now exist, of the two communities should, also be understood. If the fear of Enosis being imposed upon them is the major obstacle to a settlement as seen from the Turkish-Cypriot side, one reason for it is their purported dread of Greek rule. Their leaders claim also, however, that even within the context of an independent Cypriot State, events have proved that the two communities, intermingled as they are now, cannot live peacefully together. They would meet this problem by the drastic means of shifting parts of both communities in order to create two distinct geographical regions, one predominantly of Turkish-Cypriot inhabitants and the other of Greek-Cypriots. They claim that this would now be merely an extension of the process that has been forced on them by events: the greater concentration than usual of their people in certain parts of the island, notably around Nicosia and in the north-west.

152. But the opposition of the Greek-Cypriots to this idea of geographical separation is hardly less strong than the opposition of the Turkish-Cypriots to the imposition of Enosis, and I have felt bound to examine the proposal with as much care as in the case of Enosis. Much has been written and argued on both sides in Cyprus about the economic and social feasibility (or lack of it) of bringing about through the movement of the populations concerned the only possible basis for a federal state. I have studied these arguments and I find it difficult to see how the practical objections to the proposal can be overcome.

153. In the first place, the separation of the communities is utterly unacceptable to the majority community of Cyprus and on present indications could not be imposed except by force. The opposition to it is in part political: Greek-Cypriots see in the proposal a first step towards the partitioning of the island, although this is vigorously denied by the Turkish-Cypriot leadership as well as by the Turkish Government. But to my mind the objections raised also on economic, social and moral grounds are in themselves serious obstacles to the proposition. It would seem to require a compulsory movement of the people concerned -- many thousands on both sides -- contrary to all the enlightened principles of the present time, including those set forth in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Moreover, this would be a compulsory movement of a kind that would seem likely to impose severe hard ships on the families involved as it would be impossible for all of them, or perhaps even the majority of them, to obtain an exchange of land or occupation suited to their needs or experience; it would entail also an economic and social disruption which could be such as to render neither part of the country viable. Such a state of affairs would constitute a lasting if not permanent, cause of discontent and unrest.

154. Moreover, the proposed federated States would be separated by an artificial line cutting through interdependent parts of homogeneous areas including, according to the Turkish-Cypriot proposals, the cities of Nicosia and Famagusta. Would not such a line of division inevitably create many administrative difficulties and constitute a constant cause of friction between two mutually suspicious populations? In fact, the arguments for the geographical separation of the two communities under a federal system of government have not convinced me that it would not inevitably lead to partition and thus risk creating a new national frontier between Greece and Turkey, a frontier of a highly provocative nature, through highly volatile peoples who would not hesitate to allow their local differences to risk involving the two home countries in conflict and consequently endangering international peace and security.

155. Again, if the purpose of a settlement of the Cyprus question is to be the preservation rather than the destruction of the State, and if it is to foster rather than to militate against the development of a peacefully united people, I cannot help wondering whether the physical division of the minority from the majority should not be considered a desperate step in the wrong direction. I am reluctant to believe, as the Turkish-Cypriot leadership claims, in the "impossibility" of Greek-Cypriots and Turkish-Cypriots learning to live together again in peace. In those parts of the country where movement controls have been relaxed and tensions reduced, they are already proving other- wise.


http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/galo%20p ... pt%203.htm

This was written a whole ten years before the invasion and subsequent division of the Island...
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Re: The Turkish Cypriot self-isolation policy from 1963 onwa

Postby Nurgary » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:31 pm

Get Real! wrote:The Turkish Cypriot self-isolation policy from 1963 onwards

Extract from UN document S/6426

106.The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to
rigid stand against any measures which might involve having
members of the two communities live and work together, or which
might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have
to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since
the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and
geographical separation of the communities as a political goal
,
it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots
which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an
alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate
policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots
. The
Government contends that the hardships suffered by the Turkish
Cypriot population are the direct result of the leadership's
self-isolation policy, imposed by force on the rank and file. The
Turkish Cypriots assert that these hardships are designed by the
Government to pressure the Turkish community into submission and
to destroy politically and that Turkish Cypriots are at one in
their determination to resist.



Regards, GR.


SG to UN in 1963:

On 10th September 1964 the Secretary-General reported (UN doc. S/5950):

"UNFICYP carried out a detailed survey of all damage to properties throughout the island during the disturbances . . . it shows that in 109 villages, most of them Turkish-Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting. In Ktima 38 houses and shops have been destroyed totally and 122 partially. In the Orphomita suburb of Nicosia 50 houses have been totally destroyed while a further 240 have been partially destroyed there and in adjacent suburbs."


But also read last part of your post.
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Postby Nurgary » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:32 pm

n September 1964 the Secretary-General reported to the Security Council (UN doc. S/5950):

"In addition to losses incurred in agriculture and in industry during the first part of the year, the Turkish community had lost other sources of its income including the salaries of over 4,000 persons who were employed by the Cyprus Government. The trade of the Turkish community had considerably declined during the period due to the existing situation, and unemployment reached a very high level as approximately 25,000 Turkish-Cypriots had become refugees. Expenditure of the Turkish Communal Chamber had dropped considerably, as a yearly subsidy formerly received from the Government had ceased to be granted in 1964. Furthermore, a large part of its remaining resources had to be used for unemployment relief and other forms of compensation as approximately half the population came to be on relief."
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Postby Nurgary » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:33 pm

On 10th September 1964 the UN Secretary-General reported "The economic restrictions being imposed against the Turkish communities in Cyprus, which in some instances has been so severe as to amount to veritable siege, indicated that the Government of Cyprus seeks to force a potential solution by economic pressure." (UN doc. S/5950).
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Postby Nurgary » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:34 pm

During the period 1963 to 1974 the freedom of movement of Turkish-Cypriots was severely restricted (UN docs. S/5764, S/5950, S/7350); they were denied postal services (UN docs. S/5950, S/7001); their access to building materials, electrical equipment, motor parts, fuel, chemicals and many other commodities was severely restricted (UN docs. S/5950, S/7350); and Turkish-Cypriot refugees had to live in tents and caves at risk to their health.
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Postby Nurgary » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:35 pm

Now thaere are a few UN referenced documented - do you want me to start to post more of these or some of the many International News reports.
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Postby Nikitas » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:41 pm

The self isolation did not start in 1963. We experienced it in the latter part of 1957, we were not allowedto enter the TC area of Nicosia and by 1958 all GCs were excluded, even garbage collectors. GC businesses in the area referred to today as "Lokmaci" were burnt. These were not the actions of a community banding together to defend itself. At that time there were no GC actions against TCs in Nicosia or other major towns.

Those who like to paint the TCs as the innocent victims conveniently forget these facts. There was a plan, implemented concurrently with the Enosis plan by the GCs, it was called the KIP plan and Turkish military people landed in Cyprus to implement it by 1957. Nobody has absolutely clean hands in this business.
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Postby Nurgary » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:50 pm

i totally agree - Nobody has clean hands and the sooner all sides come clean and admit issues then there may be progress towards peace.
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