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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:07 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Kikapu do you really think the AP will be scraped completely? The UN and EU have put a great deal of effort and finance into this plan and the basic principles are still valid if we want a BBF. Why start from zero? ifs its the name you have demonized and cannot lick what you have spat out then lets rename it.


Put it this way VP. The AP had over 9000 pages of material that covered everything under the sun. Anything discussed now will no doubt have some elements of the AP. How can it not. It will be like asking someone to use a word that is not included in the Oxford Dictionary. But the BEEF of the AP was clearly rejected for many good reasons and will not be brought back. I'm sure we can use some of the potatoes and the vegetables to compliment the next meal (plan).!!!



That's what we have been saying all along you cannot expect the UN to scrap it and start all over again the AP5 was based on previous plans and the next one will be the same the structure put before the committees were exactly the same and will be the same this time as well, in fact the negotiating committees are even planned as the same people.
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Postby Kifeas » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:12 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Kikapu do you really think the AP will be scraped completely? The UN and EU have put a great deal of effort and finance into this plan and the basic principles are still valid if we want a BBF. Why start from zero? ifs its the name you have demonized and cannot lick what you have spat out then lets rename it.


Put it this way VP. The AP had over 9000 pages of material that covered everything under the sun. Anything discussed now will no doubt have some elements of the AP. How can it not. It will be like asking someone to use a word that is not included in the Oxford Dictionary. But the BEEF of the AP was clearly rejected for many good reasons and will not be brought back. I'm sure we can use some of the potatoes and the vegetables to compliment the next meal (plan).!!!



That's what we have been saying all along you cannot expect the UN to scrap it and start all over again the AP5 was based on previous plans and the next one will be the same the structure put before the committees were exactly the same and will be the same this time as well, in fact the negotiating committees are even planned as the same people.


Cut this crap, VP, that the Anan Plan was based on "previous plans!" Which previous plan are you talking about, that went into so much detail as to be regarded "the basis" of the Anan plan? The issue is not whether we should trash the Anan plan (the entire work that has been put into it,) because in that sense one could have amended a mere 10-15 separate lines or even words and numbers -out of the hundreds of pages that it contained, and make it a quite acceptable plan for the GCs! The issue is whether we should accept it as a basis on which negotiations leading to a solution should be carried out, or not, rather than trash the entire work that it contains.

If it is only a matter of amending a mere 10-15 separate lines or words, out of the 9,000 or so pages that it amount to, then take a guess why the GC side cannot accept it as a basis of negotiations!
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Postby halil » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:21 pm

German's interest continues
a delegation of Social Democratic Party officials from the German Baviera state visited PM Soyertoday.The delegation wanted to do inspections and obsevations during during their stay in North Cyprus and try to understand the conditions in Northern Cyprus.
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Postby halil » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:11 am

Turkish Cypriots want the island to be reunited under the EU roof, but the reunification has to be in the form of a new, bi-zonal state based on the political equality of the two peoples on the island. The taxi driver who took me from Gazi Magosa to Ercan Airport made the point quite bluntly: "The border should be open. People should be able to travel north and south whenever they wish. But the two sides can never mix." As indicated by the declining number of border crossings between the two parts of the island, feelings on both sides seem to be mutual. Both the Turks and Greeks do want to live in a united Cyprus, but on their own part of the island. Any solution that does not recognize this fact is not a solution at all.

The election last month of Dimitris Christofias as Greek Cypriot president has surely raised hopes for an end to the long-standing division of the island. Christofias seems to be more inclined toward finding a solution to the Cyprus problem, especially when compared with the previous president, Tassos Papadopoulos. KKTC President Mehmet Ali Talat has already declared that he expects 2008 to be the year of a solution for the island. The two leaders met on March 21 and agreed to immediately start negotiations for finding a comprehensive solution, to personally meet again in three months. As a sign of goodwill, they agreed to open the border at Ledra Street, which has symbolized the island's division for decades.

Talat's position is that the UN-brokered "Annan plan" of 2004 should be taken as the starting point for negotiations with the aim of founding of a new Cypriot state, as envisaged by that plan. Christofias' position, on the other hand, is that the starting point should be the consensus reached between Talat and Papadopoulos on July 8, 2006, to resume negotiations and work toward a solution in the context of the Republic of Cyprus founded in 1960. The discrepancy between the starting positions of the two sides renders any guesses as to where the new round of negotiations will lead extremely difficult.

My good friend, Associate Professor Ahmet Sözen, the director of the CPC, is very cautiously optimistic about the new process. He sees the possible futures of Cyprus as follows, in order of probability: 1 -- Structural stalemate and the "Taiwanization" of northern Cyprus as the international community gradually lifts its isolation. 2 -- Negotiations between the two sides progress and the non-cooperative relations (the status quo) are transformed into cooperative relations. 3 -- Negotiations lead either to a federal solution as described in the UN documents or to an "amicable divorce" on the Czechoslovakian model. 4 -- Conflict breaks out and there is divorce on the Yugoslavian model.

According to Sözen, to move toward a comprehensive solution in Cyprus, an interim solution is absolutely necessary. In return for Turkey extending the customs union to include Greek Cyprus and opening its ports to Greek Cypriot vessels, the EU must fulfills its moral, political and legal obligations toward northern Cyprus and thus extend the acquis to the north of the island.

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Postby Paphitis » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:05 am

halil wrote: In return for Turkey extending the customs union to include Greek Cyprus and opening its ports to Greek Cypriot vessels, the EU must fulfills its moral, political and legal obligations toward northern Cyprus and thus extend the acquis to the north of the island.

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This is never going to happen. EU will never extend the the acquis to the occupied areas. It has permanently suspended the acquis to the occupied areas until there is a comprehensive solution.

What you are saying for the EU to do would effectively legitimise the invasion. Your friend is obviously in dreamland. Not going to happen mate. :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:09 am

And if the peace talks fail, it will be because of Turkey's intransigence as Christofias has shown a lot of goodwill and is so in favour of a solution.

You will not be able to blame us anymore. Turkey will be on the guilty stand where she belongs and not us.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:17 am

halil wrote:My good friend, Associate Professor Ahmet Sözen, the director of the CPC, is very cautiously optimistic about the new process. He sees the possible futures of Cyprus as follows, in order of probability: 1 -- Structural stalemate and the "Taiwanization" of northern Cyprus as the international community gradually lifts its isolation. 2 -- Negotiations between the two sides progress and the non-cooperative relations (the status quo) are transformed into cooperative relations. 3 -- Negotiations lead either to a federal solution as described in the UN documents or to an "amicable divorce" on the Czechoslovakian model. 4 -- Conflict breaks out and there is divorce on the Yugoslavian model.

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The Taiwanisation of the occupied areas is not going to happen either. And there is no isolation on the TCs as they can enjoy citizenship and all civil rights given to them as citizens of the RoC.

So I do not know what you mean by isolation. Obviously this is a figment of your imaginations as you all live in a dreamworld and fantasise that the Pariah state of "TRNC" will be recognised. About as much chance of this happenning as a new Kurdish state emerging within Turkey.

So keep dreaming guys. These dreams are so much fantasy that you guys probably wet the bed sheets. :lol:
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Postby bill cobbett » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:07 pm

Paphitis wrote:And if the peace talks fail, it will be because of Turkey's intransigence as Christofias has shown a lot of goodwill and is so in favour of a solution.

You will not be able to blame us anymore. Turkey will be on the guilty stand where she belongs and not us.


In the excitement of the past few days, many do forget the third hand of the RoT. P. does well to remind us of this.
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Postby halil » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:33 am

SIDES IN CYPRUS AGREE TO SET UP WORKING GROUPS AND TECHNICAL COMMITTEES.

A statement issued after a meeting between advisers of the two leaders, said that Özdil Nami and Yorgos Yakovu - advisers of Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot leaders, agreed on the setting up of 6 working groups on governance and power-sharing; EU matters; security and guarantees; territory; property and economic matters.

The aides also agreed to set up 7 technical committees, which will discuss crime and criminal matters; economic and commercial matters; cultural heritage; crisis management; humanitarian matters; health and environment.

Nami and Yakovu also agreed on the establishment of further working groups and technical committees if necessary, in order to ensure that TC leader Mehmet Ali Talat and the Leader of the Greek Cypriot Administration Dimitris Christofias will be able to negotiate at the most effective level on the full spectrum of issues to be discussed.

The advisers also agreed to hold another meeting on Friday.
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Postby halil » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:59 pm

PASCOE ARRIVES IN CYPRUS ON SUNDAY FOR TALKS WITH THE TWO SIDES

The United Nations spokesperson Michelle Montas has said that the UN Undersecretary for Political Affairs Lynn Pascoe will be arriving in Cyprus on the 30th of March.

During his stay in Cyprus, Mr Pascoe will hold contacts with officials from both sides.
Responding to reporters’ questions, Mrs Montas said that Mr Pascoe – who will be arriving in Cyprus on Sunday - will continue his contacts with the two sides until Wednesday.

The spokesperson said Mr Pascoe will then return to New York.

She added that Mr Pascoe will be visiting Ankara and Athens in the near future for further contacts on the Cyprus issue.

She noted that the aim of the visit is to help the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon to determine his next step on the Cyprus issue.
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