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Viperous Prick wrote:-

Even with all the doom and gloom your imagination churns out, TCs would accept it a 100 times worse compared to becoming a minority in a GC state, when will you realize this fact. If the solution is not a partnership of 2 communities we would rather become and be declared a full province of Turkey than give into GC dominance and manipulation.

Or to put it in very simple terms, 1 Turkish Cypriot is equal to 4 Greek Cypriots

Look at it from the point of the equality of 2 communites TCs and GCs, are you against this? do you not see our community as equals to yours?

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Kikapu I honestly don' tunderstand your logic. It is all based on constantly preasuring TC's and Turkey by every means possible no mater what. What I am trying to say is that it is backfiring. What is wrong with lifting the embargoes? First you say Turkey will win 500 million a year out of it then you turn around and say that we will not be capable of turning things economically around. The TC economy improving will bring some stability to the north, create new jobs and bring back TC's from abroad at the same time decrease the number of TC's immigrating. With the improvement, the relations between Turkey and TC's will change as well, like GC's and Greece at the moment. The question is why not? To you the answer is GC's not gaining anything. If a soln would come along, the GC's wouldn't have any burden of finacing the improvment of the north.

Umit, the obstacle to a solution, from a GC perspective, is not the possible need or "burden" of financing the north! If you haven't grasped this yet, I wonder what you have been doing all this time! The obstacle to a solution is the illegitimate requirements and objectives set forward by the Turkish side, visa vie the terms and the nature of the solution!

Exactly which of our demands do you deplore and which can you stomach?

I can to some extent stomach your demand for political equality, as a community, provided this will be based on the definition adopted by the UN SC resolutions.

I can stomach to some extent your demand of a two state federation, and the equal status of the two states, provided they will not be solely based on ethnic lines and agendas, and if the human, cultural and political rights of each and every Cypriot citizen will be safeguarded anywhere in Cyprus and in both states.

I can also stomach your security concerns and the need for adequate guarantees.

Beyond the above, all the rest of your requirements and objectives are grossly illegitimate and unacceptable!

Basically the points you have stomached are our red lines so whats the problem?, what is it you actually cannot stomach?

[boomerang]

Umid, what Kikapu is saying is very clear...you need to stop looking at the situation not from the perspective of the silkworm inside the coccon during pupal stage but look at it from the perspective of the butterfly outside the cocoon.

Would that be from a GC buttefly perspective???

I see Turks more as moths ... don't know why

a I see GCs more as pigs.

for a country, "turkey=fascist state" that doesn't eat pigs, you sure make up the numbers in population and thinking , starting with you at the front of the line

fried bacon anyone?

Kindly translate???

why not ask Billy Hayes

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Umid, what Kikapu is saying is very clear...you need to stop looking at the situation not from the perspective of the silkworm inside the coccon during pupal stage but look at it from the perspective of the butterfly outside the cocoon.

Would that be from a GC buttefly perspective???

I see Turks more as moths ... don't know why

a I see GCs more as pigs.

for a country, "turkey=fascist state" that doesn't eat pigs, you sure make up the numbers in population and thinking , starting with you at the front of the line

fried bacon anyone?

Kindly translate???

why not ask Billy Hayes

Ask him yourself and you may find out the truth, if you have read the book you will see that the film was over exaggerated to appeal to a cinema audience and influence simple minded people into think that carrying drugs accross international borders to poison our young is OK and that the evil is those that catch and punish the offenders.

[boomerang]

Umid, what Kikapu is saying is very clear...you need to stop looking at the situation not from the perspective of the silkworm inside the coccon during pupal stage but look at it from the perspective of the butterfly outside the cocoon.

Would that be from a GC buttefly perspective???

I see Turks more as moths ... don't know why

a I see GCs more as pigs.

for a country, "turkey=fascist state" that doesn't eat pigs, you sure make up the numbers in population and thinking , starting with you at the front of the line

fried bacon anyone?

Kindly translate???

why not ask Billy Hayes

Ask him yourself and you may find out the truth, if you have read the book you will see that the film was over exaggerated to appeal to a cinema audience and influence simple minded people into think that carrying drugs accross international borders to poison our young is OK and that the evil is those that catch and punish the offenders.

I read the book you moron...he told the truth in his book

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Umid, what Kikapu is saying is very clear...you need to stop looking at the situation not from the perspective of the silkworm inside the coccon during pupal stage but look at it from the perspective of the butterfly outside the cocoon.

Would that be from a GC buttefly perspective???

I see Turks more as moths ... don't know why

a I see GCs more as pigs.

for a country, "turkey=fascist state" that doesn't eat pigs, you sure make up the numbers in population and thinking , starting with you at the front of the line

fried bacon anyone?

Kindly translate???

why not ask Billy Hayes

Ask him yourself and you may find out the truth, if you have read the book you will see that the film was over exaggerated to appeal to a cinema audience and influence simple minded people into think that carrying drugs accross international borders to poison our young is OK and that the evil is those that catch and punish the offenders.

I read the book you moron...he told the truth in his book

Which was nothing like the film you idiot.

[boomerang]

Umid, what Kikapu is saying is very clear...you need to stop looking at the situation not from the perspective of the silkworm inside the coccon during pupal stage but look at it from the perspective of the butterfly outside the cocoon.

Would that be from a GC buttefly perspective???

I see Turks more as moths ... don't know why

a I see GCs more as pigs.

for a country, "turkey=fascist state" that doesn't eat pigs, you sure make up the numbers in population and thinking , starting with you at the front of the line

fried bacon anyone?

Kindly translate???

why not ask Billy Hayes

Ask him yourself and you may find out the truth, if you have read the book you will see that the film was over exaggerated to appeal to a cinema audience and influence simple minded people into think that carrying drugs accross international borders to poison our young is OK and that the evil is those that catch and punish the offenders.

I read the book you moron...he told the truth in his book

Which was nothing like the film you idiot.

Yeah you are right...he had nothing but praises for "turkey=fascist state" in his book...didn't he....

What a moron...

[Kifeas]

Kikapu I honestly don' tunderstand your logic. It is all based on constantly preasuring TC's and Turkey by every means possible no mater what. What I am trying to say is that it is backfiring. What is wrong with lifting the embargoes? First you say Turkey will win 500 million a year out of it then you turn around and say that we will not be capable of turning things economically around. The TC economy improving will bring some stability to the north, create new jobs and bring back TC's from abroad at the same time decrease the number of TC's immigrating. With the improvement, the relations between Turkey and TC's will change as well, like GC's and Greece at the moment. The question is why not? To you the answer is GC's not gaining anything. If a soln would come along, the GC's wouldn't have any burden of finacing the improvment of the north.

Umit, the obstacle to a solution, from a GC perspective, is not the possible need or "burden" of financing the north! If you haven't grasped this yet, I wonder what you have been doing all this time! The obstacle to a solution is the illegitimate requirements and objectives set forward by the Turkish side, visa vie the terms and the nature of the solution!

Exactly which of our demands do you deplore and which can you stomach?

I can to some extent stomach your demand for political equality, as a community, provided this will be based on the definition adopted by the UN SC resolutions.

I can stomach to some extent your demand of a two state federation, and the equal status of the two states, provided they will not be solely based on ethnic lines and agendas, and if the human, cultural and political rights of each and every Cypriot citizen will be safeguarded anywhere in Cyprus and in both states.

I can also stomach your security concerns and the need for adequate guarantees.

Beyond the above, all the rest of your requirements and objectives are grossly illegitimate and unacceptable!

Basically the points you have stomached are our red lines so whats the problem?, what is it you actually cannot stomach?

VP, either you did not carefully read and comprehend what I have written above, or you are not sincere; because I cannot believe you are such a detached person with reality and the actual requirements and objectives of your (Turkish and TC) side!

[boomerang]

Kikapu I honestly don' tunderstand your logic. It is all based on constantly preasuring TC's and Turkey by every means possible no mater what. What I am trying to say is that it is backfiring. What is wrong with lifting the embargoes? First you say Turkey will win 500 million a year out of it then you turn around and say that we will not be capable of turning things economically around. The TC economy improving will bring some stability to the north, create new jobs and bring back TC's from abroad at the same time decrease the number of TC's immigrating. With the improvement, the relations between Turkey and TC's will change as well, like GC's and Greece at the moment. The question is why not? To you the answer is GC's not gaining anything. If a soln would come along, the GC's wouldn't have any burden of finacing the improvment of the north.

Umit, the obstacle to a solution, from a GC perspective, is not the possible need or "burden" of financing the north! If you haven't grasped this yet, I wonder what you have been doing all this time! The obstacle to a solution is the illegitimate requirements and objectives set forward by the Turkish side, visa vie the terms and the nature of the solution!

Exactly which of our demands do you deplore and which can you stomach?

I can to some extent stomach your demand for political equality, as a community, provided this will be based on the definition adopted by the UN SC resolutions.

I can stomach to some extent your demand of a two state federation, and the equal status of the two states, provided they will not be solely based on ethnic lines and agendas, and if the human, cultural and political rights of each and every Cypriot citizen will be safeguarded anywhere in Cyprus and in both states.

I can also stomach your security concerns and the need for adequate guarantees.

Beyond the above, all the rest of your requirements and objectives are grossly illegitimate and unacceptable!

Basically the points you have stomached are our red lines so whats the problem?, what is it you actually cannot stomach?

VP, either you did not carefully read and comprehend what I have written above, or you are not sincere; because I cannot believe you are such a detached person with reality and the actual requirements and objectives of your (Turkish and TC) side!

I admire your patience Kifeas...me I call the spade a spade...

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Umid, what Kikapu is saying is very clear...you need to stop looking at the situation not from the perspective of the silkworm inside the coccon during pupal stage but look at it from the perspective of the butterfly outside the cocoon.

Would that be from a GC buttefly perspective???

I see Turks more as moths ... don't know why

a I see GCs more as pigs.

for a country, "turkey=fascist state" that doesn't eat pigs, you sure make up the numbers in population and thinking , starting with you at the front of the line

fried bacon anyone?

Kindly translate???

why not ask Billy Hayes

Ask him yourself and you may find out the truth, if you have read the book you will see that the film was over exaggerated to appeal to a cinema audience and influence simple minded people into think that carrying drugs accross international borders to poison our young is OK and that the evil is those that catch and punish the offenders.

I read the book you moron...he told the truth in his book

Which was nothing like the film you idiot.

Yeah you are right...he had nothing but praises for "turkey=fascist state" in his book...didn't he....

What a moron...

So you support drug trafficers??