Kikapu wrote:umit07 wrote:No kikapu I am not implying that TC's would have told Turkey to take her army and sodd off. What I am saying is that the "Turkish Cypriot state" whatever the name would be more immune to Turkey. We would be a lot more independant from them. At the moment I believe we are on the path of becoming a province of Turkey. WHen that happens GC's will be f***ed . THey can forget about anything happening.
After spending time on this forum I believe the chances of a soln are just about the same as me getting laid with Adriana Lima.
OK Umit07, lets cut to the chase shall we. I gave you two chances to spell out what the TC's would do had there were no embargoes imposed by the International Community and the economy of the "TRNC" was running on all 8 cylinders.
What you are saying Umit07 is, whether the "TRNC" had or did not have any embargoes imposed on them, they would still be needing Turkey to stay in the "TRNC" and would not have told them to go home. If that is the case, then all that would have done had there been no embargoes on the "TRNC", was to allow Turkey to keep the close to $500 Million US Dollars that she spends to maintain the "TRNC". So in essence, had there been no embargoes, Turkey would have benefited $500 Million Dollars and the RoC ZERO Dollars. Since there was no benefit for the RoC, what would have been the incentive to help lift the embargoes, if it was only going to help Turkey by improving the economy in the "TRNC". Is this when the TC's would have said,
"yes, the playing field is now level, lets re-unite our people and country together" or would it have been the case of
"see you later alligator" to the GC's. The TC's see no incentive to give up the "TRNC" now, so why would they have one if they were much better off economically.?
So, after the economy of the North is running smoothly without embargoes and Turkey is still in the North, what would have been the difference from the situation today.?? And lets understand something Umit07. Whether the "TRNC" is financially dependent or not on Turkey, the Turkish Military does not take orders from the "TRNC" to leave the island. They don't even take orders from the leadership in Turkey so what chance does the "TRNC" has to change anything in the North. So, in the end Umit07, your statement where you said to the GC's that they were "shooting themselves in the leg" for not helping improve the economy in the North, in not very sound argument at all.
I may have said this to you before, but let me repeat it one more time. Turkey can use it's size to push others around for the time being, and allow settlers to move into the North at record numbers, then followed by other nationalities. All this does is make the situation for the Turks and the TC's even more difficult in the future to:
a) find a solution
b) for Turkey to get into the EU. Cyprus now is on Turkey's side to enter the EU for obvious reasons, despite others refusal for Turkey, but one thing that Turkey has to realise is, if they can overcome others through some kind of negotiations to get a "yes" from them, the "last man standing" in Turkey's way is always going to be Cyprus. How will they deal with her in the future, if Turkey and the "TRNC" allow the situation in the North to get out of hand, or as you put it, "at the moment I believe we are on the path of becoming a province of Turkey. WHen that happens GC's will be f***ed . THey can forget about anything happening". If that were to happen, that's when Turkey's today's mild headache will become a migraine headache, close to a "brain tumour", and as I always said this about Turkey, and that is, they are not in the business of committing a political suicide in their countries future. Turkey needs the EU despite what all the mindless Partitionist, Propagandist and the Fascist say. All they do is use reverse psychology to make believe that Turkey does not need the EU, just to strengthen their hands in negotiating a better deal with Cyprus for a settlement. Very foolish disguise indeed.
c) for the "TRNC" to get into the EU should they get recognition. Same as above.
d) the GC's may lose part of their land and country to others, but will always have the legalities and claim on that land forever
e) chance for another war and bloodshed will always be a concern forever
f) as the RoC prospers through the EU membership, do not expect very much improvement for the life of the average Turks, for Turkey, as well as for the TC's and the "TRNC". Even at best scenario that was given by "PRIO" should there be a settlement for Cyprus, was about $5,500 dollars more per year per person. What are the chances to improve the economy of the "TRNC" to the level of the RoC or with rest of Europe for that matter, even with a recognition, and that is a big IF. Don't assume that the tourists are going to all flock to the North if there isn't a settlement because the North will remain an illegal "state" according to the UN. Even with a recognition without a settlement, do not expect too much to change in the North, since there is always going to be land claim against the North by the GC's. Also do not forget, once the GC land is sold off to the foreigners, where will the money come from next.?? What may be rosy today, may well be a nasty situation later on economically.
By the way, who the hell is Adriana Lima ??
Even with all the doom and gloom your imagination churns out, TCs would accept it a 100 times worse compared to becoming a minority in a GC state, when will you realize this fact. If the solution is not a partnership of 2 communities we would rather become and be declared a full province of Turkey than give into GC dominance and manipulation.
