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[miltiades]

Get Real
GC may seem themselves as a different entity to Greece, i see nothern cyprus as a state of Turkey. It is in the GC best interests to relinquish the motherland as they are a majority on Cyprus, they also believe they are the rightful and sole owners of the island.

Only plonkers like you mate see a part of Cyprus as a part of Turkey. You are not of T/C parentage and it shows mate .

Miltiades, I guess Big Al was born in Australia and has had limited contact with Cyprus as a whole. If I was still over their and had not seen the crap that goes around in this place, I wouldn't be any different. I think TC's should do everything they can to stand on thier own two feet economically and Politically. In my opinion the key is economics, the point when TC's can sustain their own developement is when we are gonna be free. I think GC's economic ambargoes against TC's is like "shooting yourself in the leg" . The more the economic preasure the more TC's will cling to Mama Turkey it is that simple.

Umit , as you probably know , I'm a 100% Cypriot and passionate at that too. Our island , yours and mine is not for sale to either Turkey or Greece. We can live together work and prosper as Cypriots. The embargoes are in place because the part of Cyprus that houses 40 thousand foreign troops on its soil is seen by the International community as a part of Cyprus under the occupation of Turkey. You surely must accept that this is how the world sees this part of Cyprus. The overwhelming majority of both T/Cs and G/Cs must surely want to live in an independent Cyprus not in Greek or Turkish Cyprus , the "TRNC" under the rule of a foreign power will sooner or later , unless a solution is found , be totaly absorbed by Turkey , this will spell the demise of the T/C which is a tragedy for the Cypriot Turks.
The current agenda of Turkey is the lifting of embargoes and recognition of the "TRNC" well it ain't going to happen or at least the ROC will never humiliate the Cypriot people by recognising that the part of Cyprus that Turkey occupied in 1974 is now a legal entity and one that the ROC has to recognise .
The extremists such as this young plonker from Australia must never be allowed to have the upper hand because allowing them to win will spell the end of the T/Cs and the resurgence of the extreme elements of the early 60s only this time THEIR NUMBERS WILL BE MUCH GREATER .
The future generations will never accept a part of Cyprus under the permanent occupation of Turkey and conflict after conflict will erupt just as day followes night .

[halil]

Both leaders got the instructions from motherlands and planning to meet .
from both sides sayings i understood that they are far away between each other . both sides understands lots of differences from the work equality .
TALAT RETURNS

Mehmet Ali Talat has returned to the Republic at the end of his contacts in the Turkish capital Ankara during which possible developments on the Cyprus issue have been discussed.

The President met with Turkish President Abdullah Gul and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan at the Cankaya Palace yesterday morning.
Speaking on his arrival at Ercan Airport, President Mehmet Ali Talat said that it has been once again confirmed during his meeting with top Turkish officials that Turkish Side’s attitude towards finding a solution to the Cyprus problem has not been changed.

He also reiterated Turkey’s and the Turkish Cypriot Side’s readiness to make every kind of initiative on the Cyprus issue.

Pointing out that a new leader who is in favour of a solution has been chosen in elections in South Cyprus, Mr Talat said this has raised the hopes for a solution.

‘We want an immediate re-start of the fully-fledged negotiations. It is no longer necessary to waste time’ he added.

He also stressed that the Turkish Cypriot Side is ready to support every initiative to be made by the United Nations saying that it is still possible to reach a settlement until the end of 2008.
During his contacts in the Greek Capital Athens Mr Christofias said he would meet with President Mehmet Ali Talat between the 17th and the 24th of March.

The Greek Cypriot Leader stated that the demilitarisation is necessary for a united Cyprus but refrained from commenting on two British air bases existing on the island.

He also pledged to work for the opening of Lokmaci and the Yesilirmak border gates.


UN UNDERSECRETARY GENERAL PASCOE SAYS UN IS CLOSELY FOLLOWING DEVELOPMENTS IN CYPRUS
The UN Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs Lynn Pascoe has said that the United Nations has been closely following the developments on the Cyprus issue through the UN Secretary General’s Special Representative in Cyprus Michael Moller.
Responding to a question on reports that he would be visiting the island in the near future and on UN’s future plans on Cyprus, Mr Pascoe said that the UN was expected to issue a statement on the issue next week or in two weeks time.

`Now, what is important is the developments on the island and especially, the decision to be taken by the new Greek Cypriot Leader and Turkish Cypriot Leader` he said, adding that the UN Secretary General’s Special Representative in Cyprus Michael Moller has been continuing contacts with the two leaders.

He noted that the two sides had decided in principle to work together and that there was a strong desire on both sides of the island for the United Nations to show interest to a solution in Cyprus.

PRIO PUBLISHED ITS REPORT ON CYPRUS
Mr Moller was speaking during the presentation of a report prepared by the International Peace Research Institute of Oslo (PRIO).

In the report entitled, “The day after: Commercial opportunities following a solution to the Cyprus problem” which was sponsored by the Cyprus Centre of the Peace Research Institute of Oslo (PRIO), it has been stated that the solution of the Cyprus problem has also an economic meaning.
Noting that the solution of the Cyprus problem will be beneficial both for Cypriots and the entire region, Mr Moller said that the report “makes an extremely valuable contribution to discussion about the future of the island”.

[halil]

Press release
From the PRIO Cyprus Centre
March 6th 2008
Cypriots to gain EUR 1.8 bln per year from reunification—research

A solution to the Cyprus problem would yield a peace dividend of at least EUR 1.8 billion per year in new business with Turkey and other opportunities for the island, with each Cypriot family standing to gain an extra EUR 5,500 per year, according to new research from an all-island team of economists.
In a report entitled, “The day after: Commercial opportunities following a solution to the Cyprus problem” and sponsored by the Cyprus Centre of the Peace Research Institute of Oslo (PRIO), the Cyprus-based researchers, who together have more than 40 years’ economic analysis and forecasting experience, project growth in trade between Cyprus and Turkey for the first seven years after a solution to the Cyprus problem. As an initial reference for the forecast, before making downward adjustments, they take the breathtaking rise in commerce that followed the thawing of relations between Greece and Turkey from 1999. Trade in goods and services between these two countries rose at an annual average rate of 25 per cent in 2000-06, while the tourism market increased at an astonishing average rate of 275 per cent per year. Greece is now the ninth largest investor in Turkey and Turkey is one of the fastest growing tourism markets for Greece.
Using the results for Greece-Turkey trade, before making downward adjustments, as well as the particular strengths of an all-Cyprus economy, such as dynamic sectors of business services and tertiary education, the team forecast both reunification and continued division scenarios. Deliberately avoiding the economics of any specific solution, the team made a simple assumption: that the solution that would gain the majority support of both communities would be politically and economically sustainable. According to the team’s calculations, the reunification of Cyprus would add, on average, in the first seven years:
• EUR 700 million per year in new tourism business, including EUR 385 million from Turkey
• EUR 393 million per year in new business for Cypriot construction companies
• EUR 155 million per year in new business for Cypriot real estate companies
• EUR 162 million per year for the Cypriot university education sector
• EUR 103 million per year for Cypriot accounting and legal firms
• EUR 184 million in new foreign direct investment into Cyprus, not including the already substantial investment in construction and real estate
• EUR 618 million per year in total additional trade in goods and services with Turkey

In sum, the annual average boost to the economy amounts to EUR 283 million in 2009 (Year 1) and EUR 3.9 billion, or just over 10% of all-island GDP, in 2015 (Year 7). This is an average of EUR 1.8 billion (over CYP 1 billion or more than YTL 3 billion) per year. Translated into household income, the annual dividend per family comes to approximately EUR 5,500. This is 20% of the average income in the southern part of the island and more than 40% of the estimated average income in the northern part of the island.
The report concludes that this is the very least that could be expected given that the research focuses primarily on the sectors that would be expected to benefit most. Moreover, the peace dividend calculated could be almost doubled if important regional developments, such as new business from the Baku-Ceyhan oil pipeline (EUR 1.3 billion) and the implementation of the Ankara Protocol (EUR 187 million per year) are taken into account.
“I am very proud to present this research today and I look forward to the debate on its findings,” said Arne Strand, Manager of the Cypriot PRIO Centre. “I also hope that this research helps us to think beyond the solution to the great and ongoing benefits everyone stands to gain from a settlement.”

For press queries contact the PRIO Cyprus Centre at 22 456 554. The report is downloadable at www.prio.no.cyprus
http://www.prio.no/page/Publication_det ... 50923.html

[umit07]

The problem Miltiades is that the embargoes are not affecting Turkey, they are affecting TC's. While embargoes stand, TC's are more dependant on the cash flow from Turkey. I really don't think Turkey or the current TC president are trying to get recognition. This is one thing Denktash is pissed about, he constantly is stating that Talat is not asking for recognition. When we look at the number of citizenships given by Talats party it is less than a hundred in 4 years. They have revoked some 1300 citizenships and placed laws making it much harder to gain trnc citizenship. Aren't all these a sign?

[halil]

PM SOYER CALLS FOR THE IMMEDIATE RESUMPTION OF CYPRUS NEGOTIATIONS PROCESS.

Ferdi Sabit Soyer has stressed the urgent need for the resumption of the Cyprus negotiations process in order to find a bi-zonal, bi-communal solution on the basis of the political equality of the two sides and the effective guarantee of Turkey.

Reminding that Dimitris Christofias, as opposed to his predecessor Tassos Papadopoulos, supported a political settlement within the framework of UN parameters, Soyer said that this was one of the main factors which distinguished Christofias from Papadopoulos.

[Kikapu]

It is getting very amusing to me to see all of the top TC politicians running around like a "chicken with their heads cut off" doing their best to negotiate the terms of Cyprus settlement in the media. Can these idiots get anymore amateurish than they already are, when it comes to correct protocol in negotiating a peace/settlement. It's bad enough that we do it her on the forum, but for goodness sake, Talat writing his own letter that was published in the Financial Times the other day, then we have Soyer with his statements on what a settlement should look like. What the hell do these knuckleheads need Cristiofias to come to any meeting to discuss anything with these "leaders", who on the one hand say
"lets have a meeting with open minds and no preconditions" and the next 10 days, spill their guts in the media on what the settlement should look like.

Can these 3rd rate politicians get anymore amateurish than they have already displayed.?

That was a rhetorical question.

I can't wait to read a letter by Talat to "Dear Abby" next.

[Kikapu]

Get Real
GC may seem themselves as a different entity to Greece, i see nothern cyprus as a state of Turkey. It is in the GC best interests to relinquish the motherland as they are a majority on Cyprus, they also believe they are the rightful and sole owners of the island.

Only plonkers like you mate see a part of Cyprus as a part of Turkey. You are not of T/C parentage and it shows mate .

Miltiades, I guess Big Al was born in Australia and has had limited contact with Cyprus as a whole. If I was still over their and had not seen the crap that goes around in this place, I wouldn't be any different. I think TC's should do everything they can to stand on thier own two feet economically and Politically. In my opinion the key is economics, the point when TC's can sustain their own developement is when we are gonna be free. I think GC's economic ambargoes against TC's is like "shooting yourself in the leg" . The more the economic preasure the more TC's will cling to Mama Turkey it is that simple.

I wouldn't be any different. I think TC's should do everything they can to stand on thier own two feet economically and Politically. In my opinion the key is economics, the point when TC's can sustain their own developement is when we are gonna be free. I think GC's economic ambargoes against TC's is like "shooting yourself in the leg" . The more the economic preasure the more TC's will cling to Mama Turkey it is that simple

Umit07,

Since you made the above statement, and I assume you believe in your own statement, I want to ask you a question.

Had all the embargoes and isolation and political recognition where afforded to the "TRNC" for the last years, do you think the TC's today would be asking the GC's to become a "United Cyprus" or will they be saying.............................................

Hahahahahahahahahahaha..... See you in the next life suckers..... Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Just a question and I would really like an serious answer from you, because I'm basing my statement on the statement you made which I assume you believe in it with all of your heart.

[Viewpoint]

Get Real
GC may seem themselves as a different entity to Greece, i see nothern cyprus as a state of Turkey. It is in the GC best interests to relinquish the motherland as they are a majority on Cyprus, they also believe they are the rightful and sole owners of the island.

Only plonkers like you mate see a part of Cyprus as a part of Turkey. You are not of T/C parentage and it shows mate .

Miltiades, I guess Big Al was born in Australia and has had limited contact with Cyprus as a whole. If I was still over their and had not seen the crap that goes around in this place, I wouldn't be any different. I think TC's should do everything they can to stand on thier own two feet economically and Politically. In my opinion the key is economics, the point when TC's can sustain their own developement is when we are gonna be free. I think GC's economic ambargoes against TC's is like "shooting yourself in the leg" . The more the economic preasure the more TC's will cling to Mama Turkey it is that simple.

I wouldn't be any different. I think TC's should do everything they can to stand on thier own two feet economically and Politically. In my opinion the key is economics, the point when TC's can sustain their own developement is when we are gonna be free. I think GC's economic ambargoes against TC's is like "shooting yourself in the leg" . The more the economic preasure the more TC's will cling to Mama Turkey it is that simple

Umit07,

Since you made the above statement, and I assume you believe in your own statement, I want to ask you a question.

Had all the embargoes and isolation and political recognition where afforded to the "TRNC" for the last years, do you think the TC's today would be asking the GC's to become a "United Cyprus" or will they be saying.............................................

Hahahahahahahahahahaha..... See you in the next life suckers..... Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Just a question and I would really like an serious answer from you, because I'm basing my statement on the statement you made which I assume you believe in it with all of your heart.

The TCs also want closure and a solution be it BBF or agreed division, you have not been to the TRNC so you cannot understand that the isolation has not had the desired effect of the GCs in foring us into a corners and making us accept all the GC demands which we will never do.

[umit07]

Kikapu I did NOT mean to say that the "TRNC" should be recognised and the GC's should help us in that department. What I am stating is that removal of economic isolation, will make TC's prosper to the same level as GC's thus changing our relations with Turkey. I believe that "democracy and money" are proportional to an extent. A country without a big economically sustainable working class cannot be fully democratic. So what I am asking for is that TC's be given a chance to prosper, thats all. I am not asking that a ship with a TRNC flag be able to dock in Europe, but a ship with for example a Turkish flag should be able to move directly between famagusta and any other port in the world without any trouble.

[Kikapu]

I wouldn't be any different. I think TC's should do everything they can to stand on thier own two feet economically and Politically. In my opinion the key is economics, the point when TC's can sustain their own developement is when we are gonna be free. I think GC's economic ambargoes against TC's is like "shooting yourself in the leg" . The more the economic preasure the more TC's will cling to Mama Turkey it is that simple

Umit07,

Since you made the above statement, and I assume you believe in your own statement, I want to ask you a question.

Had all the embargoes and isolation and political recognition where afforded to the "TRNC" for the last years, do you think the TC's today would be asking the GC's to become a "United Cyprus" or will they be saying.............................................

Hahahahahahahahahahaha..... See you in the next life suckers..... Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Just a question and I would really like an serious answer from you, because I'm basing my statement on the statement you made which I assume you believe in it with all of your heart.

The TCs also want closure and a solution be it BBF or agreed division, you have not been to the TRNC so you cannot understand that the isolation has not had the desired effect of the GCs in foring us into a corners and making us accept all the GC demands which we will never do.

I don't know how your answer fits into the question I've asked Umit07 VP. I get the feeling that you agree with my summation, that it would have been the case of "see you in the next life suckers".


The isolation, embargoes and non recognition on the "TRNC" are direct results of declaring Independence, which has been imposed on you by the International community. Naturally, the by product of the International community has given certain diplomatic leverage to the RoC over the "TRNC". Whether this leverage was meant to persuade the "TRNC" to accept what ever the proposals were made by the RoC to reach any kind of a solution, or leverage to keep the North isolated as long as it took to run the South without the TC component. Either way, the TC's will come out the losers at the end, economically. Lets not forget that Denktash kept the TC's isolated from the rest of the country also, always hoping for a NO SOLUTION, because he wanted and did play the wait and see game. "If you wait long enough, it will come" as in recognition were his belief. Even today you and others think the same way, so there are plenty of blame to go around for lack of real attempts for a just solution.

In anycase, I would like to get Umit07's views as well, since he also seems to point the blame towards the South, just as you do most of the time.