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negotiations on the Cyprus Problem could start after April

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Postby Kifeas » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:51 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
halil wrote: Christofias is now in Athens, soon will travel to Brussels and early next week he will be on the island to finish of his last preparations for a meeting with Talat expected to be held in the Ledra Palace hotel – the U.N. headquarters in Nicosia buffer zone – before the end of this month.

Talat, on the other hand, will be traveling to Turkey today. After attending an event in Istanbul where he will receive the “statesman of the year” award by the Marmara University and then proceed to Ankara Thursday for a series of fine-tuning talks with President Abdullah Gül and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.



So both leaders have gone to their respective motherlands to get their instructions.

I note with interest that Dora Bakoyannis is scheduled to visit Turkey on 8 March to open a symposium marking International Women's Day held by the women's section of the leading AKP party. Relations between the two motherlands seem to be getting more cordial nowadays. Let's hope the two leaders return from Athens and Ankara with instructions to follow suit and enter a meaningful dialogue!


Tim, I can assure you that when GC leaders visit Athens on the Cyprus issue, they are not going there to "get their instructions" but rather to give their instructions! Of cource, you are perfectly right when it comes to the TC leadership!
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Postby Nikitas » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:55 pm

Two equal communities. This is perplexing me, is it equality in the same sense that California and Rhode Island are equal, or in the sense that USA and Canada are equal?
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Postby Kifeas » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:00 pm

halil wrote:Power sharing

The key to a settlement on Cyprus, irrespective of how difficult it might be to swallow for the Greek Cypriot side, is their recognition of the reality that there are two equal people on the island and they have to share power with the Turkish Cypriots. And, for the Turkish Cypriots, though it will be rather painful to concede, they must understand that there is a direct relationship between the amount of land they will have and the administrative power they will share in a future settlement. Secondly, both Turkish Cypriots and Turkey must realize that withdrawal of the Turkish troops and at least a sizeable amount of the mainland Turks who have settled in northern Cyprus is in the cards if we want a settlement. Number of Greek Cypriots to be resettled in north, giving back pre-1974 properties, compensation and such other issues will not pose a serious difficulty if an agreement can be reached on power sharing, troops and settlers issues. Obviously, the end result will be a compromise deal, and neither side will be fully satisfied with it.

Since his election, particularly in his statement last Thursday as he was swearing in as president, Demetris Christofias put forward some hard-line conditions for peace. Similarly, in a letter to U.N. Secretary-General – just two days before the run-off presidential elections in southern Cyprus – Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat insisted that some demands of the Greek Cypriot side, through the media, condemned as not helping a settlement on the island.

While such developments made Cyprus observers rather pessimistic, indeed it is nothing abnormal for the two sides of the island to withdraw to their harshest rhetoric before indulging in any sort of a give-and-take process. That is why before the Cyprus talks plane take off each time we have identical flare ups on the island. The two sides are just preparing to negotiate...

Christofias is now in Athens, soon will travel to Brussels and early next week he will be on the island to finish of his last preparations for a meeting with Talat expected to be held in the Ledra Palace hotel – the U.N. headquarters in Nicosia buffer zone – before the end of this month.

Talat, on the other hand, will be traveling to Turkey today. After attending an event in Istanbul where he will receive the “statesman of the year” award by the Marmara University and then proceed to Ankara Thursday for a series of fine-tuning talks with President Abdullah Gül and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

All these indicate that there is a serious effort on both sides for the resumption of the Cyprus talks process. Indeed, this might be the last chance for a federal Cyprus.


I would like to inform the administrator that his forum may get into serious legal copyright troubles, if posters continue posting articles from other sources, without providing reference links and the name of the media and the author of what is being copied.

The above article was stolen from the Turkish Daily News and belongs to Yusuf kanli. http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... wsid=98099
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:20 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
halil wrote: Christofias is now in Athens, soon will travel to Brussels and early next week he will be on the island to finish of his last preparations for a meeting with Talat expected to be held in the Ledra Palace hotel – the U.N. headquarters in Nicosia buffer zone – before the end of this month.

Talat, on the other hand, will be traveling to Turkey today. After attending an event in Istanbul where he will receive the “statesman of the year” award by the Marmara University and then proceed to Ankara Thursday for a series of fine-tuning talks with President Abdullah Gül and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.



So both leaders have gone to their respective motherlands to get their instructions.

I note with interest that Dora Bakoyannis is scheduled to visit Turkey on 8 March to open a symposium marking International Women's Day held by the women's section of the leading AKP party. Relations between the two motherlands seem to be getting more cordial nowadays. Let's hope the two leaders return from Athens and Ankara with instructions to follow suit and enter a meaningful dialogue!


Tim, I can assure you that when GC leaders visit Athens on the Cyprus issue, they are not going there to "get their instructions" but rather to give their instructions! Of cource, you are perfectly right when it comes to the TC leadership!


Then why go in the first place, you may think the sky is black but everyone can see its blue. You are getting you instructions just like we are, call it "liaising".
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:28 pm

halil wrote:Power sharing

The key to a settlement on Cyprus, irrespective of how difficult it might be to swallow for the Greek Cypriot side, is their recognition of the reality that there are two equal people on the island and they have to share power with the Turkish Cypriots.

BOLLOCKS!
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Postby alexISS » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:42 pm

Kifeas wrote:Tim, I can assure you that when GC leaders visit Athens on the Cyprus issue, they are not going there to "get their instructions" but rather to give their instructions! Of cource, you are perfectly right when it comes to the TC leadership!


Nobody's giving "instructions" to noone! The two governments exchange information and opinions and the Greek government provides diplomatic (and other) resources to assist Cyprus
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Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:02 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
halil wrote: Christofias is now in Athens, soon will travel to Brussels and early next week he will be on the island to finish of his last preparations for a meeting with Talat expected to be held in the Ledra Palace hotel – the U.N. headquarters in Nicosia buffer zone – before the end of this month.

Talat, on the other hand, will be traveling to Turkey today. After attending an event in Istanbul where he will receive the “statesman of the year” award by the Marmara University and then proceed to Ankara Thursday for a series of fine-tuning talks with President Abdullah Gül and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.



So both leaders have gone to their respective motherlands to get their instructions.

I note with interest that Dora Bakoyannis is scheduled to visit Turkey on 8 March to open a symposium marking International Women's Day held by the women's section of the leading AKP party. Relations between the two motherlands seem to be getting more cordial nowadays. Let's hope the two leaders return from Athens and Ankara with instructions to follow suit and enter a meaningful dialogue!


Tim, I can assure you that when GC leaders visit Athens on the Cyprus issue, they are not going there to "get their instructions" but rather to give their instructions! Of cource, you are perfectly right when it comes to the TC leadership!


I hope you are right. I saw footage on CyBC of Christofias at his meeting with the speaker of the Greek Parliament, and he was nervously buttoning and unbuttoning his jacket. He reminded me of a naughty schoolboy who had been summoned in front of the headmaster!
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Postby DT. » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:10 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
halil wrote: Christofias is now in Athens, soon will travel to Brussels and early next week he will be on the island to finish of his last preparations for a meeting with Talat expected to be held in the Ledra Palace hotel – the U.N. headquarters in Nicosia buffer zone – before the end of this month.

Talat, on the other hand, will be traveling to Turkey today. After attending an event in Istanbul where he will receive the “statesman of the year” award by the Marmara University and then proceed to Ankara Thursday for a series of fine-tuning talks with President Abdullah Gül and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.



So both leaders have gone to their respective motherlands to get their instructions.

I note with interest that Dora Bakoyannis is scheduled to visit Turkey on 8 March to open a symposium marking International Women's Day held by the women's section of the leading AKP party. Relations between the two motherlands seem to be getting more cordial nowadays. Let's hope the two leaders return from Athens and Ankara with instructions to follow suit and enter a meaningful dialogue!


Tim, I can assure you that when GC leaders visit Athens on the Cyprus issue, they are not going there to "get their instructions" but rather to give their instructions! Of cource, you are perfectly right when it comes to the TC leadership!


I hope you are right. I saw footage on CyBC of Christofias at his meeting with the speaker of the Greek Parliament, and he was nervously buttoning and unbuttoning his jacket. He reminded me of a naughty schoolboy who had been summoned in front of the headmaster!


Tim I saw that. The PResident of the House gave a long speech about how much they love Cyprus and Christofias and chsitofias had to stand for the entire speech....hence the buttoning and unbuttoning....If you understood greek it'd make sense.
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Postby Kifeas » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:17 pm

alexISS wrote:
Kifeas wrote:Tim, I can assure you that when GC leaders visit Athens on the Cyprus issue, they are not going there to "get their instructions" but rather to give their instructions! Of cource, you are perfectly right when it comes to the TC leadership!


Nobody's giving "instructions" to noone! The two governments exchange information and opinions and the Greek government provides diplomatic (and other) resources to assist Cyprus


Of course, the use of the phrase "to give instructions" may have been an exaggeration in order to emphasise that the first and last word on what goes, regarding the solution of the Cyprus issue, lies on the GC leadership, and it couldn't have been otherwise! Beyond that, I agree with your above assessment!

The opposite can be said about the TC leadership and Turkey, in which case the first and last word seem to solidly belong to the Turkish government and the army!
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Postby Oracle » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:24 pm

Kifeas wrote:
alexISS wrote:
Kifeas wrote:Tim, I can assure you that when GC leaders visit Athens on the Cyprus issue, they are not going there to "get their instructions" but rather to give their instructions! Of cource, you are perfectly right when it comes to the TC leadership!


Nobody's giving "instructions" to noone! The two governments exchange information and opinions and the Greek government provides diplomatic (and other) resources to assist Cyprus


Of course, the use of the phrase "to give instructions" may have been an exaggeration in order to emphasise that the first and last word on what goes, regarding the solution of the Cyprus issue, lies on the GC leadership, and it couldn't have been otherwise! Beyond that, I agree with your above assessment!

The opposite can be said about the TC leadership and Turkey, in which case the first and last word seem to solidly belong to the Turkish government and the army!


Hhhmmm .... very interesting! :?

Clash of the Titans.

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