Big Al wrote:Kikapu,
My first ever post stated that TC should reject any proposal to unite the island and begin to establish diplomatic ties with the international community, starting with Turkic speaking and islamic countries, slowly but surely international recognition will begin, against the best efforts of GC, Greece, Russia maybe a couple of balkan states. I realise that the Cyprus problem is not a "one way street" but i also need to look at what is in the best interests of the TC community and in the long run i believe that that is through permanent partition. If the efforts of recognition do not bear any fruit for TC's then perhaps they should consider Taksim as another solution. Either way they maintain some level of self rule and have safety and security and they do not give up their own heritage.
My first ever post stated that TC should reject any proposal to unite the island and begin to establish diplomatic ties with the international community, starting with Turkic speaking and islamic countries
You are beginning to worry me Big Al with your knowledge of the Cyprus problems with you above statement. Just what do you think the TC's were doing for the first 30 years since 1974.?? Do you think there was any peace efforts made by Expatkiwi's pen-pal Denktash to find a solution, or was it to keep the North closed off for 30 years and wait for recognition to come after declaring Independence in 1983. I don't even think there's much of a peace movement by Talat today. He just talks a lot, but says nothing of importance, other than we want a settlement based on BBF, or in plain English, Disguised Partition with all the benefits afforded to a EU member. Not a bad deal if he can get it, although that was all rejected back in 2004. I guess, if it failed once, just try and try and try again and again and again rather than seek for an honest settlement so that all Cypriots are treated equally. Even after 30+ years, other Turkic and Islamic nations are not willing to recognise a "state" created illegally. Does that not worry you as to the reasons why.?? Is it possible, that others do not share the views on a state created by ethnic cleansing of another community of the same nation.??
slowly but surely international recognition will begin, against the best efforts of GC, Greece, Russia maybe a couple of balkan states.
Really.?? What makes you think that after 30+ years that recognition will come. Do you prescribe to the notion that in time everyone will forget that there ever was a Cyprus Problem and just make recognition of the North, so that illegal acts will be forgiven. We do live in times of the
"Rule of Law" Big Al, or has that escaped you somehow.?
I realise that the Cyprus problem is not a "one way street" but i also need to look at what is in the best interests of the TC community and in the long run i believe that that is through permanent partition
Best interest of the TC community should be the same with any other community, be it be in Cyprus or any other country, which is to take their rightful place in a society that is from that country and be part of it. If you are so worried that will not be achieved for the TC's in Cyprus, just because of the past experiences, then perhaps the safest place for the TC's would be to be placed in Turkey were the TC's would be safe and sound. I'm not recommending this you understand, but making a suggestion to satisfy your concerns for the TC's, since you want partition. Somehow you will reject this idea, which then makes your Partition desires more than a safety issue. So what is it Big Al.?? Is it about flexing Turkey's muscle against a small country like Cyprus, to show the world what great military power they think they are, or is it as simple as land grab by the TC's and the Turks, because there are no other reason why all Cypriots cannot live together on the island. But if permanent partition is what the TC's want, and by the way, the last survey taken in the "TRNC" couple of months ago disputed this notion that the True TC's want a permanent partition of the island. They may not be happy with the GC's so much, but they also do not want to be taken over by Turkey anymore than they have been already with many more settlers in the North than True TC's as we speak now.
If the TC's wanted permanent partition, why is it that they have not asked for it to agree on a 80%-20% split with the GC's based on their own communities population numbers and bid each other goodbye.?? The ones who want partition are the ones who are holding onto stolen GC land and getting rich from it and all the fascists. The average TC's is ruled by the corrupted officials and the elite. The rest of those who want partition are the
lemmings used by the above by making promises to them that they cannot deliver by waving the Turkish flag and the poster of Ataturk at them. As a True TC myself, I cannot accept building a state on the back of others from the same country, no matter what the payoffs are. Many others have had far worse wars and political injustices than we have had in Cyprus and yet they have found ways to resolve their problems and work through them. Are you saying to me, that we, as Cypriots are not capable in doing that.?? Are we that far gone in civilization, that we can't see our way through all this mess. ??
If the efforts of recognition do not bear any fruit for TC's then perhaps they should consider Taksim as another solution. Either way they maintain some level of self rule and have safety and security and they do not give up their own heritage
Isn't it funny, on how you support
ENOSIS (taksim) with Turkey but have been condemning it for the last 40+ years and using it as basis in asking for partition because of the past mistakes by the GC's. So I'm glad to know, just like many other Partitionist on the forum, that you all support
ENOSIS when it comes to you people, just not when it comes to the GC's. Can you spell the word hypocrite by any chance Big Al. I'm sure Expatkiwi will help you to spell it, but just in case he can't, here it is...
H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E. Lets understand something Big Al, if you really cared so much about the safety and security of the TC's, it will not come through taking on someone else's land and try to build a society on it in today's 21st Century, specially land taken from those who are only stone throw away from where the TC's are today. You cannot have peace when guarded by day and night by a foreign army. That is not called self determination, but rather self destruction as a
"corrupted society". Nothing good will ever come from such "state", even if it did manage to be recognised, because the owners of most of the land where that "state" is built on, knows where their land is and who is keeping them away from it, and sooner or later, they will come for it. If you are after safety and security for our TC community, then you are going about it the wrong and immoral way in trying to obtain it.
