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[Piratis]

I side with the enemy? Am I wrong in saying that you sided with Denktas to bury the A plan that was to end 30 years of occupation?

We are the great majority. Who are you, and whose interests are you serving? Definitely not the interests of the great majority (those are us)

The Annan plan made us a second category citizens, with 1/4th of the voting power of some others something that will NEVER be accepted. It legalized the illegal actions of Turkey (something I never saw you complaining about), and it didn't solve our problem.

We didn't side with Denctash. We didn't go in the occupied areas to celebrate with him, like you did with Talad. (who is the other side of the same coin)

He just says what he believes is right. You can disagree but you cannot call him a traitor just because he disagrees with the "official" opinion.

Remember Andrik? Do you think that the things he said was just his opinion and the rest of us should not react? (by the way, apparently he was baned because many members complained about him).

Andrik and Bananiot are the two extremes (not a surprise that they belong to the same party) and the rest of us that believe in democracy and human rights should protect Cyprus from such extremists that do not respect the democratically expressed will of the great majority, and they continue to throw mud and try to hurt Cyprus.

Most Cypriots were not involved.

What do you mean by "most"? If you add women, children and the old people, then of course most people were not involved directly. However the great majority of GCs supported the EOKA because the cause was a just one.

For me there is a difference between:
a) The cause of EOKA was wrong, being under the British was fine (what Bananiot is saying)

and

b) The way that some of the EOKA fighters/leaders acted was wrong and in some cases even criminal (what I am saying)

I hope you can see the difference between the two.

[Bananiot]

Are you saying that I should be banned too Piratis? Of course there are other ways to silence the minority (sic). Ask Hitler, he could provide you with a tip or two. Oh yes, he was part of the great majority, he won the elections. Piratis, which party do I belong to? I am dying to find out, can you please inform me?

[Piratis]

Are you saying that I should be banned too Piratis?

No, I am saying that you are an extremist that does not show any kind of respect to democracy.

You are the own who should be compared with hitler. You are far right with no respect for democracy.

Or maybe you think that the majority is wrong and you are right? This is what the other members of your party thought also, when they decided that all of us are idiots and they were the smart ones and they went against Makarios and made an open invitation to the Turks.

which party do I belong to?

I do not belong to any party.

And a question for you: What does it mean for you the 76% that voted "no" to the Annan plan? Do you think the Annan plan should be adopted against the will of the majority? Do you think the majority should be forced to change their opinion?

[MicAtCyp]

Bananiot just for once tell us clearly your view.
The only think you said so far about Eoka is that it is a sacred cow.
Tell us your complete view about Eoka.

[MicAtCyp]

How did Grivas transitioned from being employed/financed by the British, during the civil war in Greece, murdering communist Greeks, into a leader against the British occupation of Cyprus? was the Greek government, at the time, a pawn of the West?
Do you have any answers?

Panteli I admit I don't have any answers. Do you? If yes please enlighten us, I mean the role of Grivas is very dark, Insan even said he was cooperating with the Nazis, can you provide some info in your own words (Please no links if possible)

[MicAtCyp]

the EOKA & TMT people were in part animals that killed and in another part poor brainwashed people who thought they were fighting for their country

Well said Brother. That's what I beleive too.

[metecyp]

Remember Andrik? Do you think that the things he said was just his opinion and the rest of us should not react? (by the way, apparently he was baned because many members complained about him).

How can you compare Andrik and Bananiot? I remember Andrik very well. He said how his father killed 300 TCs and this is his favorite bed-time stories that he'll tell to his kids...and you compare him to Bananiot?? Bananiot is no means extreme.

Yes, he has a minority opinion, but that doesn't mean that he's against democracy. Did he ever tell you to shut up? Quite the contrary, you're the one labelling him as traitor and telling him to shut up. Being minority does not mean that you cannot present your opinions. It's against democracy when you try to supress the voice of a group.

It worries me to see people like you try to label minority opinions as traitors and silence them because at the same time, you're asking me to trust you and live like a minority in your majority....Your attitude towards Bananiot is a prime example why TCs do not trust living in a GC majority.

[Piratis]

Bananiot is no means extreme.

He supports the racist discriminations and violations of human rights and he excuses the crimes committed against GCs by the Turkish army. It doesn't sound extreme to you because what he supports is not against your human rights and he does not excuse the killings of TCs. However for me he is no less extremist than Andrik.

Being minority does not mean that you cannot present your opinions.

So I guess you would support the "un-banning" of Andrik also?

Your attitude towards Bananiot is a prime example why TCs do not trust living in a GC majority.

Ok, I don't trust you either. So what? Is this an excuse for stealing your property?

[Bananiot]

I hate to make this personal, but I think Piratis owes me an explanation. When did I excuse the atrocities committed by TC extremists or the Turkish army against GC's? In his distorted mind he thinks that by condemning the atrocities committed by the GC’s one applauds the atrocities committed by the TC’s. This is very childish to say the least. He also seems to think that I am an extreme right winger because I voted for the solution! Again, this is very childish. Everyone knows that the extreme right (of both communities) voted “no” but I would never accuse Piratis for being extreme right.

Regarding EOKA, I believe the armed struggle was wrong as a tactical move to gain freedom. The struggle for enosis was also wrong as it alienated the TC community. When you embark on a struggle that does not take into account all the parameters that are involved, then your cause is doomed right from the beginning. This is not a statement made with the benefit of hindsight. Some people (mainly AKEL but also moderate right wingers like Spiridakis, said it at the time too, but the Piratis’s of the time labelled them traitors and forced them “democratically” to shut up. Those that didn’t shut up, reside permanently in cemeteries) saw the dangers at the time and warned against the taking up of arms. Different methods were at our disposal. Methods that were used successfully by other people who were numerically superior to us but had also infinitely more sense than us.

In a nutshell, passive resistance by both communities, aiming at an independent Cyprus, led by moderate Cypriots, would have done the job. Those that proposed this mode of action were light years ahead of the rest, but once again, we fell victims to uncontrolled nationalism.

[MicAtCyp]

It is easy Bananiot to judge after 40 years.
At those times the people had proof in their hands they would NEVER be let free.First the false promises for sparing our lives at WW at Suez etc. Second the "Never" of harting plus so many other assurances. Cyprus is not India. The Indians have it in their blood to resist passively, we are Mediteranean people who act differently.

I also think the Eoka struggle was wrong. This however does not restrict me from attributing honour to the honoured ones, curse the evil ones and damn the sick mentality of many who supported it.

Can you do the same or you attribute to all of them the same? What is your opinion of Afxentiou for example?
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Piratis how can we learn when someone is banned? Where for example did you see than Andrik is banned?
If he is I am glad for it anyway...