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[Kifeas]

Kifeas I am trying but I don't understand what you are expecting from me exactly?

Well, if you read my questions more carefully, they are quite direct and clear!

I am specific, you reply with generalities!

[Oracle]

I can't sleep now, because umit said Cyprus will become integrated into Turkey if they join the EU

Someone make him take that back!

[miltiades]

Well Kifeas I really think that after Turkey joining the EU Cyprus will become fully integrated with Turkey she is only 70 Km away. Turkey is the biggest and fastst growing economy in the area economically Turkey will have a big influence on Cyprus in my opinion. If both GC's and TC's will feel happy with the new soln. and get along fine, Turkey in the EU will also be acting like a bodyguard for Cyprus in the area. The important thing is that both sides feel comfortable with a new agreement and neither side see it as a steping stone, like the GC's did in 1960.

Umit , you are kidding your self mate. Turkey is neither the fastest growing economy nor the biggest , on the contrary Turkeys economy is in a mess that is why Turkish people are still emigrating in their thousands and heading for greener pastures . When was was the last time that you checked out the Turkish economy , not forgetting that Turkey still is a third world country.It has NOTHING to offer Cyprus , we are richer , we live longer by some 6.5 years , we have a much bigger GDP , we do not have honour killings , neither do we have an equivalent to Turkey's article 301 .In short you have grossly overestimate Turkeys standing in Europe . Turkey is seen as a nation struggling to cope with their reluctance to accept a number of world recognised issues , starting with the Armenian genocide and ending with their stubbornness in recognising the existence of the Kurdish people and their language , which as you know ITS ILLEGAL IN PUBLIC PLACES !!
In short , we the Cypriots have as much to learn from Turkey as Einstein has to learn from an infant .

Miltiades, it is Umit's opinion! Let it be! Is the essence of the discussion I am trying do with umit, whether Turkey is the fastest growing economy or not? Why are you trying to distract the discussion, on this issue, and move it away from where I am trying to gear it!

My sincere apologies comrade !!

[DT.]

Well Kifeas I really think that after Turkey joining the EU Cyprus will become fully integrated with Turkey she is only 70 Km away. Turkey is the biggest and fastst growing economy in the area economically Turkey will have a big influence on Cyprus in my opinion. If both GC's and TC's will feel happy with the new soln. and get along fine, Turkey in the EU will also be acting like a bodyguard for Cyprus in the area. The important thing is that both sides feel comfortable with a new agreement and neither side see it as a steping stone, like the GC's did in 1960.

Umit , you are kidding your self mate. Turkey is neither the fastest growing economy nor the biggest , on the contrary Turkeys economy is in a mess that is why Turkish people are still emigrating in their thousands and heading for greener pastures . When was was the last time that you checked out the Turkish economy , not forgetting that Turkey still is a third world country.It has NOTHING to offer Cyprus , we are richer , we live longer by some 6.5 years , we have a much bigger GDP , we do not have honour killings , neither do we have an equivalent to Turkey's article 301 .In short you have grossly overestimate Turkeys standing in Europe . Turkey is seen as a nation struggling to cope with their reluctance to accept a number of world recognised issues , starting with the Armenian genocide and ending with their stubbornness in recognising the existence of the Kurdish people and their language , which as you know ITS ILLEGAL IN PUBLIC PLACES !!
In short , we the Cypriots have as much to learn from Turkey as Einstein has to learn from an infant .

Miltiades, it is Umit's opinion! Let it be! Is the essence of the discussion I am trying do with umit, whether Turkey is the fastest growing economy or not? Why are you trying to distract the discussion, on this issue, and move it away from where I am trying to gear it!

My sincere apologies comrade !!

[Kifeas]

:shock: I can't sleep now, because umit said Cyprus will become integrated into Turkey if they join the EU

Someone make him take that back!

Don't worry Oracle, go to sleep! It seems that Umit is not sure either, of what he is talking about and what he means! He only replies with absurd generalities!

[umit07]

Sorry to keep you waiting DT. Well I think you know pretty well what is for compromise. I would say the most important element is that there be a mechanism where TC's can veto, central gov. decisions in predefined fields. Eg : Changing the official Language. As an example this could be in the form as, a majority of TC MP's would have to vote "positively" for a change in the constitution.

The other important point is the "Guarantee" Power of mama Turkey jus tin case GC's get an silly ideas again. This could be in a form which it could be abolished after Turkey enters the EU.

When it comes to the number of Turkish troops, I don't think there is need for a single soldier to stay if we work it out.

Umit, what will change and the GCs will not get "silly ideas" again, after Turkey joins the EU? Why would we get "silly ideas" before Turkey's EU accession, and thus you need Turkey's "guarantee," and why we will not get these same "silly ideas" after Turkey's accession and the abolishment of her "guarantees?"

What guarantees are you willing to provide to the GCs that you will honor the agreements and will allow for example the return of the GC properties in the north, or the right of the GCs to return back to the villages from which they were expelled in 1974? What guarantees can you provide, just incase you also get "silly ideas" and do not facilitate for example the rights of the GCs in the north?

Kifeas whether we like it or not the Cyprus problem is all mixed up between the Turkey-Greece and TC's and GC's. It's all about balance Turkey not being an EU member is a factor. We live in a world of globalisation and capital, in my opinion GC's would be scared of too much Turkish Capital entering the country and will try to stop it by many means, since having large capital in a country brings politcal power with it. If Turkey joins the EU it would be imposible to stop this. This is what GC's will be scared of to an extent. TC's are by far fewer than GC's so why would they try anything silly?

When it comes to the implementation of the soln. this could be done within a strict time table step by step so that on side can halt if the other does not comply with the agreements.

When it come to your example of the TC's stopping GC's form returning, TC's would never say YES to a plan where ALL GC land is given back anyway so I don't think there would be a problem in that area if an understanding is reached.

[umit07]

:shock: I can't sleep now, because umit said Cyprus will become integrated into Turkey if they join the EU

Someone make him take that back!

Whats wrong Phoenix? I never said Cyprus will integrate into Turkey! Cyprus will integrate with Turkey.

Or would you rather pop into bed with the syrians or iranians?

[umit07]

I'm sorry Kif. doesn't like my answers. I have to bed as well now. Good night all? and sweet dreams to mother Phoenix .


To be continued

[umit07]

Good morning to all!

[Oracle]

Good morning little Turk ....

We are waiting to be enlightened

I hope you've done your homework for Kifeas.

(He's made mince-meat of Ali Baba and his 40 Turkish Theories already this morning).