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[miltiades]

Well Kifeas I really think that after Turkey joining the EU Cyprus will become fully integrated with Turkey she is only 70 Km away. Turkey is the biggest and fastst growing economy in the area economically Turkey will have a big influence on Cyprus in my opinion. If both GC's and TC's will feel happy with the new soln. and get along fine, Turkey in the EU will also be acting like a bodyguard for Cyprus in the area. The important thing is that both sides feel comfortable with a new agreement and neither side see it as a steping stone, like the GC's did in 1960.

Umit , you are kidding your self mate. Turkey is neither the fastest growing economy nor the biggest , on the contrary Turkeys economy is in a mess that is why Turkish people are still emigrating in their thousands and heading for greener pastures . When was was the last time that you checked out the Turkish economy , not forgetting that Turkey still is a third world country.It has NOTHING to offer Cyprus , we are richer , we live longer by some 6.5 years , we have a much bigger GDP , we do not have honour killings , neither do we have an equivalent to Turkey's article 301 .In short you have grossly overestimate Turkeys standing in Europe . Turkey is seen as a nation struggling to cope with their reluctance to accept a number of world recognised issues , starting with the Armenian genocide and ending with their stubbornness in recognising the existence of the Kurdish people and their language , which as you know ITS ILLEGAL IN PUBLIC PLACES !!
In short , we the Cypriots have as much to learn from Turkey as Einstein has to learn from an infant .

[DT.]

Well Kifeas I really think that after Turkey joining the EU Cyprus will become fully integrated with Turkey she is only 70 Km away. Turkey is the biggest and fastst growing economy in the area economically Turkey will have a big influence on Cyprus in my opinion. If both GC's and TC's will feel happy with the new soln. and get along fine, Turkey in the EU will also be acting like a bodyguard for Cyprus in the area. The important thing is that both sides feel comfortable with a new agreement and neither side see it as a steping stone, like the GC's did in 1960.

Umit , you are kidding your self mate. Turkey is neither the fastest growing economy nor the biggest , on the contrary Turkeys economy is in a mess that is why Turkish people are still emigrating in their thousands and heading for greener pastures . When was was the last time that you checked out the Turkish economy , not forgetting that Turkey still is a third world country.It has NOTHING to offer Cyprus , we are richer , we live longer by some 6.5 years , we have a much bigger GDP , we do not have honour killings , neither do we have an equivalent to Turkey's article 301 .In short you have grossly overestimate Turkeys standing in Europe . Turkey is seen as a nation struggling to cope with their reluctance to accept a number of world recognised issues , starting with the Armenian genocide and ending with their stubbornness in recognising the existence of the Kurdish people and their language , which as you know ITS ILLEGAL IN PUBLIC PLACES !!
In short , we the Cypriots have as much to learn from Turkey as Einstein has to learn from an infant .

Think you mean GDP/Capita Milt...If it comes to GDP we look like a flea on Turkey's puppy.

As for growth Umit, there's nothing to write home about. Next 5 years and recent years are 3-5% growth on gdp..

[umit07]

OK kifeas are you really so scared of TC's or Turkey lets get this straight! I think it's Turkey. Without any troops on the ground you will not have any immediate threat for starters. When we look at the history of Cyprus we can see that Turkey was thinking of poping in since 63. But they waited until the last minute when everything went totally crazy. This is an example that Turkey is not trying to make up excuses to invade. Secondly what would Turkey gain from invading Cyprus once again? If they had plans to come back, why leave in the first place? I can't give you a guarantee that Turkey will not invade UNPREVOKED! Why don't you give an example of what might be possible? When it comes to trade and Turkish investment it will start from day one, but EU acession will make it boom.

[Kifeas]

Well Kifeas I really think that after Turkey joining the EU Cyprus will become fully integrated with Turkey she is only 70 Km away. Turkey is the biggest and fastst growing economy in the area economically Turkey will have a big influence on Cyprus in my opinion. If both GC's and TC's will feel happy with the new soln. and get along fine, Turkey in the EU will also be acting like a bodyguard for Cyprus in the area. The important thing is that both sides feel comfortable with a new agreement and neither side see it as a steping stone, like the GC's did in 1960.

Umit , you are kidding your self mate. Turkey is neither the fastest growing economy nor the biggest , on the contrary Turkeys economy is in a mess that is why Turkish people are still emigrating in their thousands and heading for greener pastures . When was was the last time that you checked out the Turkish economy , not forgetting that Turkey still is a third world country.It has NOTHING to offer Cyprus , we are richer , we live longer by some 6.5 years , we have a much bigger GDP , we do not have honour killings , neither do we have an equivalent to Turkey's article 301 .In short you have grossly overestimate Turkeys standing in Europe . Turkey is seen as a nation struggling to cope with their reluctance to accept a number of world recognised issues , starting with the Armenian genocide and ending with their stubbornness in recognising the existence of the Kurdish people and their language , which as you know ITS ILLEGAL IN PUBLIC PLACES !!
In short , we the Cypriots have as much to learn from Turkey as Einstein has to learn from an infant .

Miltiades, it is Umit's opinion! Let it be! Is the essence of the discussion I am trying do with umit, whether Turkey is the fastest growing economy or not? Why are you trying to distract the discussion, on this issue, and move it away from where I am trying to gear it!

[DT.]

OK kifeas are you really so scared of TC's or Turkey lets get this straight! I think it's Turkey. Without any troops on the ground you will not have any immediate threat for starters. When we look at the history of Cyprus we can see that Turkey was thinking of poping in since 63. But they waited until the last minute when everything went totally crazy. This is an example that Turkey is not trying to make up excuses to invade. Secondly what would Turkey gain from invading Cyprus once again? If they had plans to come back, why leave in the first place? I can't give you a guarantee that Turkey will not invade UNPREVOKED! Why don't you give an example of what might be possible? When it comes to trade and Turkish investment it will start from day one, but EU acession will make it boom.

Umit, Turkey did not restrain itself before 74, the Americans restrained Turkey twice.

[Kifeas]

OK kifeas are you really so scared of TC's or Turkey lets get this straight! I think it's Turkey. Without any troops on the ground you will not have any immediate threat for starters. When we look at the history of Cyprus we can see that Turkey was thinking of poping in since 63. But they waited until the last minute when everything went totally crazy. This is an example that Turkey is not trying to make up excuses to invade. Secondly what would Turkey gain from invading Cyprus once again? If they had plans to come back, why leave in the first place? I can't give you a guarantee that Turkey will not invade UNPREVOKED! Why don't you give an example of what might be possible? When it comes to trade and Turkish investment it will start from day one, but EU acession will make it boom.

Umit, can you please reply on my questions, as I have placed them above, in a direct and more complete and comprehensive way!

[umit07]

Miltiades what you are saying is wrong about the Kurds not being able to speak their own language in public. Up to a few years back they could not learn in their native language this is true but with the reforms they now can. I don't think it was right to oppress Kurds in that way, but things are changing.

[Get Real!]

OK kifeas are you really so scared of TC's or Turkey lets get this straight! I think it's Turkey. Without any troops on the ground you will not have any immediate threat for starters. When we look at the history of Cyprus we can see that Turkey was thinking of poping in since 63. But they waited until the last minute when everything went totally crazy. This is an example that Turkey is not trying to make up excuses to invade. Secondly what would Turkey gain from invading Cyprus once again? If they had plans to come back, why leave in the first place? I can't give you a guarantee that Turkey will not invade UNPREVOKED! Why don't you give an example of what might be possible? When it comes to trade and Turkish investment it will start from day one, but EU acession will make it boom.

Umit, Turkey did not restrain itself before 74, the Americans restrained Turkey twice.

Herself you turnip!

[umit07]

Kifeas I am trying but I don't understand what you are expecting from me exactly?

[Kifeas]

Well Kifeas I really think that after Turkey joining the EU Cyprus will become fully integrated with Turkey she is only 70 Km away. Turkey is the biggest and fastst growing economy in the area economically Turkey will have a big influence on Cyprus in my opinion. If both GC's and TC's will feel happy with the new soln. and get along fine, Turkey in the EU will also be acting like a bodyguard for Cyprus in the area. The important thing is that both sides feel comfortable with a new agreement and neither side see it as a steping stone, like the GC's did in 1960.

Umit, you didn't fully answer my questions! You did not cover the second part, regarding what guarantees you can provide to the GCs, in case you (TCs) get "silly ideas!"

Furthermore, what do you mean by saying that "after Turkey joining the EU Cyprus will become fully integrated with Turkey?" Economic relations with Turkey may start from day one after the solution, and before Turkey joins the EU! Why should we wait for this until Turkey joins the EU? What kind of integration is that, which can only happen after Turkey joins the EU?