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[Bucksboy]

So, Will you be helping out at PAWS , ? Kafenes and Oracle.

I know you would be made very welcome,

.... that's moved into the realms of private information now, CC

I Guess that is a NO then ?

Do you have trouble understanding what "private" means ?... or do you just have time to waste with further inane posts.

Oracle,

CC me and we'll make arrangements for your visit.

[Oracle]

So, Will you be helping out at PAWS , ? Kafenes and Oracle.

I know you would be made very welcome,

.... that's moved into the realms of private information now, CC

I Guess that is a NO then ?

Do you have trouble understanding what "private" means ?... or do you just have time to waste with further inane posts.

Oracle,

CC me and we'll make arrangements for your visit.

I see you live near Polis ....

I'll PM you.

[Bucksboy]

So, Will you be helping out at PAWS , ? Kafenes and Oracle.

I know you would be made very welcome,

.... that's moved into the realms of private information now, CC

I Guess that is a NO then ?

Do you have trouble understanding what "private" means ?... or do you just have time to waste with further inane posts.

Oracle,

CC me and we'll make arrangements for your visit.

I see you live near Polis ....

Fine!

I'll PM you.

[GorillaGal]

GG wrote :

"have you been to USA? how many homeless pets did you see wandering the streets?"

And a major reason you do not see strays in the USA or Canada is because EVERY incorporated town has an ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER whose job is to collect strays, cite owners for violations and put strays in a POUND.

After several days in the POUND animals are euthanised. Is that not the case in ALL advanced countries?

Tha is how it used to be in Cyprus under the British too.

Tell us the truth and stop this incessant moaning about strays and animal welfare. Some strays in other countries find homes, those that do not are put down. Hence no strays and no bad PR for these countries.

this is not true.
the animal control officer is too busy investigating reports of abuse or neglect. if you watch the news here, you will see how they are ivestigating dog fight rings, and doing their best to close them down. they have no time to rescue the free roaming dogs, OF WHICH THERE ARE VERY FEW.
furthermore, most of our shelters are NO KILL shelters. some have to euthenize ones they feel are un-adoptable due to behaivior problems or a major illness.

[tessintrnc]

Whilst I feel very sad that dogs have to be "put to sleep" sometimes - I can't help feeling that this is better than having packs of dogs roaming around, causing havoc on the roads and to livestock and of course all this behavious leads to slow death by poisoning when people have "had enough". Our local animal centre does not kill healthy dogs - they neuter them and then allow (mainly the males) them back on the streets again because they don't have the room to house them all. Its so sad.
Tess

[Nikitas]

Those who say that animal shelters in America of other "first world" countries do not kill unwanted animals are LYING.

I have researched the methods of animal control in many countries and for a long time. It is a rule that surplus animals are euthanised and that means killed in normal English.

Those who advocate sterilisation and release are plainly irresponsible to both human and animal health.There are diseases like Leishman and Hydatid cysts which can be carried by healthy, sterilised and deparasitised animals. These diseases threaten both humans and properly looked after pets.

There is also the problem of dog attacks. The animal lover crowd can be so influential sometimes that hospitals do not include dog bites in their incidence statistics. This is what happens in Greece where dog bites are recorded under "miscellaneous injuries".

If you people used a bicycle as a daily tool and not a weekend toy, you would realise the danger that packs of dogs can present to a cyclist or motorcyclist. And I would like to see you lot enter a block of apartments at night when a pack of dogs uses the grass verge around it as a pack home. In self respecting countries citizens harmed this way can sue the municipality for failing to collect dangerous dogs.

Gorrila Gal records the case of the dog fighting ring discovered in the USA recently. Well in the past it was police tactics to wait till a major dog fighting tournament and then confiscate and euthanise a large number of champion dogs, thus inflicting a major blow to the dog fighting business. You cannot socialise and give away fighting dogs. Nor can you sterilise them and let them run loose on the streets.

Animal welfare means being responsible both to animals and to people and to minimise the risks to both. You cannot do this without drastic controls. And this is what happens in properly administered countries no matter what they try to foist on gullible "thirs worlders".

If any of you doubt the above do a net search using the phrase "animal control officer".

[GorillaGal]

All those how say that animal shelters in America of other "first world" countries do not kill unwanted animals are LYING.

I have researched the methods of animal control in many countries and for a long time. It is a rule that surplus animals are euthanised and that means killed in normal English.

Those who advocate sterilisation and release are plainly irresponsible to both human and animal health.There are diseases like Leishman and Hydatid cysts which can be carried by healthy, sterilised and deparasitised animals. These diseases threaten both humans and properly looked after pets.

There is also the problem of dog attacks. The animal lover crowd can be so influential sometimes that hospitals do not include dog bites in their incidence statistics. This is what happens in Greece where dog bites are recorded under "miscellaneous injuries".

If you people used a bicycle as a daily tool and not a weekend toy, you would realise the danger that packs of dogs can present to a cyclist or motorcyclist. And I would like to see you lot enter a block of apartments at night when a pack of dogs uses the grass verge around it as a pack home. In self respecting countries citizens harmed this way can sue the municipality for failing to collect dangerous dogs.

Gorrila Gal records the case of the dog fighting ring discovered in the USA recently. Well in the past it was police tactics to wait till a major dog fighting tournament and then confiscate and euthanise a large number of champion dogs, thus inflicting a major blow to the dog fighting business. You cannot socialise and give away fighting dogs. Nor can you sterilise them and let them run loose on the streets.

Animal welfare means being responsible both to animals and to people and to minimise the risks to both. You cannot do this without drastic controls. And this is what happens in properly administered countries no matter what they try to foist on gullible "thirs worlders".

If any of you doubt the above do a net search using the phrase "animal control officer".

i have done volunteer work on many occasions with our local shelters. most shelters here do not euthinze, unless there is a health problem or a behavioral problem. i stated this earlier in the thread.
perhaps your research is a bit antiquated.
and i think they are called "animal welfare officers" these days.

[Cheshire Cat]

If everyone who had a pet, had it neutered /spayed, the problems of unwanted animals roaming the streets would not be a problem, some people consider it cruel and inhumane to deny an animal its natural urges to procreate.
This is nonsense, !!! A dog or cat who has been fixed is less likely to roam, less likely to get into fights, and be happier and healthier. Ask your local vet, .
If you do not want your pet to produce unwanted offspring have him/or her done, dumping animals is not the solution, it contibutes to the problem.
Before you ask, all of my pets were neutered before their first birthday, and they are all sleek glossy and fit.!!

[Bucksboy]

If everyone who had a pet, had it neutered /spayed, the problems of unwanted animals roaming the streets would not be a problem, some people consider it cruel and inhumane to deny an animal its natural urges to procreate.
This is nonsense, !!! A dog or cat who has been fixed is less likely to roam, less likely to get into fights, and be happier and healthier. Ask your local vet, .
If you do not want your pet to produce unwanted offspring have him/or her done, dumping animals is not the solution, it contibutes to the problem.
Before you ask, all of my pets were neutered before their first birthday, and they are all sleek glossy and fit.!!

Well said Cheshire Cat!
Think I'll get done as well as I wouldn't want any offspring of mine wandering the streets in 2008!

[Nikitas]

OK here is an excerpt from New YOrk City health pages:

"The scope of the services provided through this contract includes animal pick-up, shelter services, adoption,humane euthanasia and preparation of animals for rabies testing.:

Now you explain to everyone else in here the plain English meaning of "humane euthanasia".

I am fed up with this propaganda about what happens in "civilised countries" regarding animal control. Why dont you people just tell us the truth. At least in Europe they call a spade a spade and clearly say that animals found loose on city streets are collected, kept for a few days and if no owners or adoption is found are killed. Which explains why you do not see strays in Vienna, Paris or London. In London they also employ vermin exterminators who kill pigeons, stray cats etc in hospital grounds and derelict buildings. And again, explains why they do not have problems there.

In Cyprus we also have the cease fire line which amounts to 3 per cent of the land. Dogs and cats breed there in the wild. It is impossible to capture and socialise these animals and turn them into pets. We all know the solution to this problem. But if Cyprus were to do what they do in other nations there would be all kinds of protest and comments about it being less than "civilised". Maybe we should hand a contract over to an American or French company to do it their way. Something tells me the end result will be the same.