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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:46 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
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Oracle wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Your vegence is the using of what happened 500 years ago to excuse what you did only 45 years.


How little that was, compared to what you are doing to us this very minute ...

Ooohh for hindsight, if we had known how much you would have taken, how much you would have made us suffer for the little adjustments we wanted in order to improve our constitution ... :(


"Improve" the constitution to give you free path to handing Cyprus to Greece no thanks we have the right to say no and fight for what we believe is right.



...this is so weak vp, i am disappointed in you.

it has for the most part proved your adversary's points against your arguments.

the stuff about pedofilia is even weaker and shows clearly how low you are going.

...next, i expect eric to appear


Sorry to disappoint but truths sometimes appear that way because you have believed lies for so long you cannot stand to hear such basic facts about Makarios.

There is a whole thread devoted to slurring Atatürk, a few home truths about your despot religious leader which as you will admit is not unusual in the south where priests enjoy sex with young boys. Only a few years ago one of your priests was caught and I think promoted or was it expelled???
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Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:30 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Your vegence is the using of what happened 500 years ago to excuse what you did only 45 years.


How little that was, compared to what you are doing to us this very minute ...

Ooohh for hindsight, if we had known how much you would have taken, how much you would have made us suffer for the little adjustments we wanted in order to improve our constitution ... :(


"Improve" the constitution to give you free path to handing Cyprus to Greece no thanks we have the right to say no and fight for what we believe is right.



...this is so weak vp, i am disappointed in you.

it has for the most part proved your adversary's points against your arguments.

the stuff about pedofilia is even weaker and shows clearly how low you are going.

...next, i expect eric to appear


Sorry to disappoint but truths sometimes appear that way because you have believed lies for so long you cannot stand to hear such basic facts about Makarios.

There is a whole thread devoted to slurring Atatürk, a few home truths about your despot religious leader which as you will admit is not unusual in the south where priests enjoy sex with young boys. Only a few years ago one of your priests was caught and I think promoted or was it expelled???


VP , Propaganda has always played a big part in nurturing the and feeding the brainless individuals passion for hating either the G/Cs or the T/Cs . Cyprus does not have a Paedophilia problem , neither the G/Cs OR THE T/Cs.
much nonsense has been written on Makarios and indeed on the great man himself Ataturk. Take all with a pinch of salt and differentiate between propaganda and truth. Someone mentioned sometime ago that the G/Cs that became refugees amounted to a mere 60000 , and some else also mentioned that some 60000 G/Cs were now living in the North . Some G/Cs put the entire blame on the T/Cs and visa versa.Both sides are guilty of betraying their fellow Cypriots and propaganda is essential to keep the hatred growing.
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Re: Choosing between the two!

Postby Kifeas » Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:20 pm

Kifeas wrote:Choosing between the two!

On Sunday, we are called upon making a difficult decision on who will be our leader for the next 5 years, in anticipation that this will not become a reality due to having a solution of the Cyprus issue before the end of the term!

I find both candidates to be fairly honest and sincere, with good intentions and desire to serve the best interests of our country, much like Papadopoulos and all previous elected leaders were!

I will try to identify the strong points of each candidate that are of the most relevance to the long sought solution of the Cyprus problem, the most important issue lying in front of the GC society for so many decades.

Kasoulides has a better chance in exercising pressure on Turkey through external factors, mainly through the EU and its member states, mainly because of his party strong affiliations with the European People’s party (EPP –Christian democrats) and the fact that it constitutes the biggest /strongest alliance in the EU. He is certainly capable of overturning to a large extent the whatever negative climate may exist in the EU, due to our very disserved and rightful rejection of the Anan plan.

His disadvantage is that he was one of the supporters of the plan in the referendum, and his case for the much needed major changes to its illegitimate partitionist and apartheid philosophy, may not be as convincing! Furthermore, his rightwing conservative affiliations with the nationalistic portion of the GC society -those that feel ashamed to carry the flag of their country even during their campaign efforts to elected the very president of this country, may not be as convincing to the TC society either!

Imagine on Sunday night, if Kasoulides wins the election, an Eleftheria stadium full of thousands of Hellenic Republic flags and almost zero flags of the country for which Kasoulides was elected as its president! Definitely not the best message to be send to the TC community and those in the international community whose sympathy we seek in order to solve the Cyprus problem on the basis of one sovereign and independed federal bi-communal country but of one (united) people (one nation-state;) as opposed to the illegitimate, apartheid and partitionist one fervently promoted by the Turks (Turkey and the TC leadership,) based on the invented “virgin-birth” concept of a loose federation (read confederation) between “two nations” (people) “two republics” (two semi-sovereign ethnically based territories) and two religions!

Christofias, on the other hand, appears to have the better chances in exactly the opposite directions, than Kasoulides! He is not as competent in winning much of the international support Kasoulides would have been able to achieve, however he is more trusted among the masses of the TC community (not the TC leadership servants of Turkey’s illegitimate interests over Cyprus –those will be the most scared ones from his election.) Christofias is capable of sending much more positive messages towards the other community, will be more welcoming and facilitating to their needs, he is rightfully viewed as more pro-Cypriot and less ethno-centric and nationalistic; one that is capable of motivating and even mobilizing more effectively the TC community in exercising internal pressure on Turkey and to its sub-servient nationalistic leadership!

It is a huge dilemma we are faced with! If you believe that a fair and lasting solution to the Cyprus issue will more easily come through external (international) pressure on Turkey, which will then be transferred onto the TC leadership to abandon its illegitimate ambitions visa vie the solution, then Kasoulides –despite his other handicaps -may definitely be a better choice! If on the other hand, you believe that such a solution may more easily come through an internal pressure on Turkey and the TC leadership, exercised by winning the TC community itself, then Christofias is definitely a better choice!

I am personally not sure what is better (more effective) of the two options! I wish one candidate alone would have possessed both qualities together! Unfortunately, each one is better in only one direction, and I do not know which one (direction) is the most effective! It is a difficult dilemma!

PS: Miltiades, please do not come to this thread with your outdated obnoxious anti-communist syndromes! No one in the international community takes Christofia’s “pro-communist” background as serious as you imagine!


As I said yesterday, choosing between the two is a very difficult decision, as each candidate has their pros and cons, which I briefly tried to analyze in my previous post. I have earlier today cast my vote. It was blank, and I wrote on it “the choice is an impossible one under the circumstances!” Being a leftist, I would have wished to have been able to vote for a leftist! However, after careful analysis of all the parameters, I have reached to the conclusion that Kasoulides has the better chances in bringing to us a solution plan reasonably better to the Anan plan, than Christofias does!

The probability to be led to a solution similar to the unacceptable provisions of the A-plan, runs higher with Christofias than it does with Kasoulides! Having said the above, I need to add that it does not mean at all that both of them do not equally wish, intent or aim to a better solution plan! It only has to do with who has the better chances!

I know some of you will ask, why then didn’t you vote for Kasoulides, and instead you cast a blank ballot? I did not vote for Kasoulides, because my consciousness wouldn’t allow me to be associated in a direct and positive way with the ocean of Hellenic republic flags that will cover the Eleftheria stadium tonight –instead of the flags of the country for which the elections are held, should Kasoulides wins the presidency of the country. This does not have to do with me being “anti-Greek” in any way or form! I will gladly give lessons on Greekness or Hellenism to every little asshole that grabs the flag of the Hellenic republic (that’s what it is -and not the flag of Hellenism itself) and uses it for every stupid and unsuitable reason and purpose! It is politically wrong and sends all the wrong and negative messages, both internally and internationally, if tonight (should Kasoulides wins) the flags of our country will not be the vast majority during the celebrations –set aside to be the non existing ones, instead of those of another country! It weakens our positions and diminishes our chances for a proper solution to the Cyprus issue! It is about time in this country we stop letting the forest to be burned, in order save the tree (na afinoume synexos to gamo kai na pigainoume gia pournaria!)
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Postby Oracle » Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:42 pm

I am honestly not trying to be provocative with this one, I really would like to know the answer.

How many Greeks are there resident in Cyprus?

Since being here I've met quite a few mainland Greeks in just a small community, and I am not naturally gregarious.

Yes, and one of them has a Greek flag, flying by his sea-side villa.

How many of these Greek flag-flying Kassoulides voters are likely to be mainland Greeks, or married to them?

Maybe it is not the Cypriots flying the Greek flags.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:45 pm

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Oracle wrote:Why do you think International preference is for partition? That would have happened by now if that was the case.

Because the US/UK/EU, and Russia are more interested in pleasing Turkey than Cyprus. Most of the above countries have tried EVERYTHING possible so far, except for an invasion of their own, to partition the island.
Where have you been?

So Mr Political clueless analyst , who once referred to the efforts of the UK Cypriots of lobbying their MPs as futile and an excuse to get together for a piss up , tell us why all these Western nations that you abhor so much have so far been reluctant to recognise the "TRNC"
You suffer from the same decease that half or more of all Cypriots suffer. That decease of compulsive self destruction , like the drivers for instance too fucking thick to understand road rules and too fucking stupid to understand that Cyprus is a tiny island that on its own CAN NOT SURVIVE .We need the West , not the Arabs , Moldova, Cuba , Swaziland
with which nations we are currently in alliance !!
Mr Bullshitter you need the bloody West to keep you and your likes in the comfort that you have been accustomed with.

Instead of making the foolhardy assumption that the US supports the RoC by not recognizing the “TRNC” and patting yourself on the back, you should really be asking why the US/UK/Russia and others are ALLOWING Turkey to remain here illegally despite decades old UN resolutions.
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:14 pm

We need the Americans and the British because they are an integral part in the solution process. If GR or anyone else cannot understand this simple thing then we will end up losing big time, for good!
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Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:07 pm

Get Real! wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:Why do you think International preference is for partition? That would have happened by now if that was the case.

Because the US/UK/EU, and Russia are more interested in pleasing Turkey than Cyprus. Most of the above countries have tried EVERYTHING possible so far, except for an invasion of their own, to partition the island.
Where have you been?

So Mr Political clueless analyst , who once referred to the efforts of the UK Cypriots of lobbying their MPs as futile and an excuse to get together for a piss up , tell us why all these Western nations that you abhor so much have so far been reluctant to recognise the "TRNC"
You suffer from the same decease that half or more of all Cypriots suffer. That decease of compulsive self destruction , like the drivers for instance too fucking thick to understand road rules and too fucking stupid to understand that Cyprus is a tiny island that on its own CAN NOT SURVIVE .We need the West , not the Arabs , Moldova, Cuba , Swaziland
with which nations we are currently in alliance !!
Mr Bullshitter you need the bloody West to keep you and your likes in the comfort that you have been accustomed with.

Instead of making the foolhardy assumption that the US supports the RoC by not recognizing the “TRNC” and patting yourself on the back, you should really be asking why the US/UK/Russia and others are ALLOWING Turkey to remain here illegally despite decades old UN resolutions.

Work it for yourself genious. !!!
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Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:14 pm

Bananiot wrote:We need the Americans and the British because they are an integral part in the solution process. If GR or anyone else cannot understand this simple thing then we will end up losing big time, for good!

Bananiot , nothing about the Cypriot mentality when it comes to the interests of our nation surprises me . There is so much "personal" politics in every Cypriot that blinkers their vision and destracts them from doing what is good for the entire nation , not what will be good for their immediate family should so and so wins , jobs for the son , the daughter , benefits for me me me me !
How on earth anyone with enan kokon sinapeos noun ,GR comes to mind , fail to see that WE NEED THE WEST ON OUR SIDE . We need to lobby and pester the powerful and influential nations without the restrains that would be in place should a Communist come to power in Cyprus. I suppose there are many who dismiss this element as not important , well let us hope that their philosophy is not put to the test.
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Re: Choosing between the two!

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:36 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Kifeas wrote:Choosing between the two!

On Sunday, we are called upon making a difficult decision on who will be our leader for the next 5 years, in anticipation that this will not become a reality due to having a solution of the Cyprus issue before the end of the term!

I find both candidates to be fairly honest and sincere, with good intentions and desire to serve the best interests of our country, much like Papadopoulos and all previous elected leaders were!

I will try to identify the strong points of each candidate that are of the most relevance to the long sought solution of the Cyprus problem, the most important issue lying in front of the GC society for so many decades.

Kasoulides has a better chance in exercising pressure on Turkey through external factors, mainly through the EU and its member states, mainly because of his party strong affiliations with the European People’s party (EPP –Christian democrats) and the fact that it constitutes the biggest /strongest alliance in the EU. He is certainly capable of overturning to a large extent the whatever negative climate may exist in the EU, due to our very disserved and rightful rejection of the Anan plan.

His disadvantage is that he was one of the supporters of the plan in the referendum, and his case for the much needed major changes to its illegitimate partitionist and apartheid philosophy, may not be as convincing! Furthermore, his rightwing conservative affiliations with the nationalistic portion of the GC society -those that feel ashamed to carry the flag of their country even during their campaign efforts to elected the very president of this country, may not be as convincing to the TC society either!

Imagine on Sunday night, if Kasoulides wins the election, an Eleftheria stadium full of thousands of Hellenic Republic flags and almost zero flags of the country for which Kasoulides was elected as its president! Definitely not the best message to be send to the TC community and those in the international community whose sympathy we seek in order to solve the Cyprus problem on the basis of one sovereign and independed federal bi-communal country but of one (united) people (one nation-state;) as opposed to the illegitimate, apartheid and partitionist one fervently promoted by the Turks (Turkey and the TC leadership,) based on the invented “virgin-birth” concept of a loose federation (read confederation) between “two nations” (people) “two republics” (two semi-sovereign ethnically based territories) and two religions!

Christofias, on the other hand, appears to have the better chances in exactly the opposite directions, than Kasoulides! He is not as competent in winning much of the international support Kasoulides would have been able to achieve, however he is more trusted among the masses of the TC community (not the TC leadership servants of Turkey’s illegitimate interests over Cyprus –those will be the most scared ones from his election.) Christofias is capable of sending much more positive messages towards the other community, will be more welcoming and facilitating to their needs, he is rightfully viewed as more pro-Cypriot and less ethno-centric and nationalistic; one that is capable of motivating and even mobilizing more effectively the TC community in exercising internal pressure on Turkey and to its sub-servient nationalistic leadership!

It is a huge dilemma we are faced with! If you believe that a fair and lasting solution to the Cyprus issue will more easily come through external (international) pressure on Turkey, which will then be transferred onto the TC leadership to abandon its illegitimate ambitions visa vie the solution, then Kasoulides –despite his other handicaps -may definitely be a better choice! If on the other hand, you believe that such a solution may more easily come through an internal pressure on Turkey and the TC leadership, exercised by winning the TC community itself, then Christofias is definitely a better choice!

I am personally not sure what is better (more effective) of the two options! I wish one candidate alone would have possessed both qualities together! Unfortunately, each one is better in only one direction, and I do not know which one (direction) is the most effective! It is a difficult dilemma!

PS: Miltiades, please do not come to this thread with your outdated obnoxious anti-communist syndromes! No one in the international community takes Christofia’s “pro-communist” background as serious as you imagine!


As I said yesterday, choosing between the two is a very difficult decision, as each candidate has their pros and cons, which I briefly tried to analyze in my previous post. I have earlier today cast my vote. It was blank, and I wrote on it “the choice is an impossible one under the circumstances!” Being a leftist, I would have wished to have been able to vote for a leftist! However, after careful analysis of all the parameters, I have reached to the conclusion that Kasoulides has the better chances in bringing to us a solution plan reasonably better to the Anan plan, than Christofias does!

The probability to be led to a solution similar to the unacceptable provisions of the A-plan, runs higher with Christofias than it does with Kasoulides! Having said the above, I need to add that it does not mean at all that both of them do not equally wish, intent or aim to a better solution plan! It only has to do with who has the better chances!

I know some of you will ask, why then didn’t you vote for Kasoulides, and instead you cast a blank ballot? I did not vote for Kasoulides, because my consciousness wouldn’t allow me to be associated in a direct and positive way with the ocean of Hellenic republic flags that will cover the Eleftheria stadium tonight –instead of the flags of the country for which the elections are held, should Kasoulides wins the presidency of the country. This does not have to do with me being “anti-Greek” in any way or form! I will gladly give lessons on Greekness or Hellenism to every little asshole that grabs the flag of the Hellenic republic (that’s what it is -and not the flag of Hellenism itself) and uses it for every stupid and unsuitable reason and purpose! It is politically wrong and sends all the wrong and negative messages, both internally and internationally, if tonight (should Kasoulides wins) the flags of our country will not be the vast majority during the celebrations –set aside to be the non existing ones, instead of those of another country! It weakens our positions and diminishes our chances for a proper solution to the Cyprus issue! It is about time in this country we stop letting the forest to be burned, in order save the tree (na afinoume synexos to gamo kai na pigainoume gia pournaria!)


...bravo Mr.K.

...there can be no unity if the leadership panders to sentiment. if Kasoulides wishes to demonstrate his nature as a Cypriot, should he be the new President, he will have to remove this "pan Hellenic" identity from his slate. otherwise he will be a "Greek" representing Greek Cypriots, rather than a leader whose efforts are focused on unity.
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Postby michalis5354 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:57 pm

4 parties (AKEL, DIKO, EDEK, EDI ) colluded against 1 (DUSI) our party . Miltiades has descrived the scene very clearly. Deals have been done behind closed doors . We know all the KIPRIAKI NOOTROPIA. The SHEEPS.

Despite the above Kasoulides has managed to win a significant perectage from other parties. His philosophy has won and I need to congradulate him for this. I never believed in Communism and I will never do .

By the way my 87 y o Grand mother has voted as expected Christofias ...
I need to congratulate Kasoulides for this achievement despite this collusson.

DUSI has won and gets Stronger!
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