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[Natty]

Kifeas thank you for your description of each candidate. For someone who is living abroad and has a good (ish) grasp of the Greek Language, but perhaps not good enough to follow exactly what is being said in the debates and on the news, having someone clarifying the differences of each person is a real help in understanding what direction either, as president, would take us in in the future.

I, like yourself do not know who would be best, I flit between both on a regular basis, so I'm slightly nervous, but I suppose I just have to hope that whoever is chosen, will be able to do some good and get us on the right track for a fair, workable solution to the Cyprus problem...

[Viewpoint]

For over 400 years Cyprus was oppressed and its people murdered at a whim and without excuse, with no recriminations and no courts to appeal to for justice ... but for a mere dozen years the TCs claim they were victimised by the GCs ........ and just for that, they expect a compensation of nearly half the island to hide from the GC "aggressors".

Exactly that, at the first opportunity to become people we messed up big time, the result of today stems directly from your own actions and the continued division also has your finger prints allover it, no one is innocent in this mess.

The opportunity to become "people" came to us a few million years ago ... some of us took it back then.

If you messed up that is your problem Chimp! I mean Chum!

If you had half a brain you would have worked out that I meant one people.....but you choose to continue your mission of hate and bloody mindedness to play with words rather than respond to the content of the post.

[Oracle]

For over 400 years Cyprus was oppressed and its people murdered at a whim and without excuse, with no recriminations and no courts to appeal to for justice ... but for a mere dozen years the TCs claim they were victimised by the GCs ........ and just for that, they expect a compensation of nearly half the island to hide from the GC "aggressors".

Exactly that, at the first opportunity to become people we messed up big time, the result of today stems directly from your own actions and the continued division also has your finger prints allover it, no one is innocent in this mess.

The opportunity to become "people" came to us a few million years ago ... some of us took it back then.

If you messed up that is your problem Chimp! I mean Chum!

If you had half a brain you would have worked out that I meant one people.....but you choose to continue your mission of hate and bloody mindedness to play with words rather than respond to the content of the post.

Viewpoint your content is null and void ......

I knew exactly what you meant ... and unfortunately I knew exactly what your answer would have been, had I chosen to reply as Piratis very generously did to you.

I offered a view .... you chose to return with your usual predictable echo ... and instead I chose to end it!

I don't think you know what you want.

If you were truly happy with what you have ... you would not be here letting off steam ... as I am, because I am not happy!

Then you declare the "TRNC" is wonderful and is the preferred option.

You are a contradiction.

Are you happy or are you not?

Do you want something better or do you not?

Are you looking for a solution or are you not?

[Viewpoint]

For over 400 years Cyprus was oppressed and its people murdered at a whim and without excuse, with no recriminations and no courts to appeal to for justice ... but for a mere dozen years the TCs claim they were victimised by the GCs ........ and just for that, they expect a compensation of nearly half the island to hide from the GC "aggressors".

Exactly that, at the first opportunity to become people we messed up big time, the result of today stems directly from your own actions and the continued division also has your finger prints allover it, no one is innocent in this mess.

The opportunity to become "people" came to us a few million years ago ... some of us took it back then.

If you messed up that is your problem Chimp! I mean Chum!

Viewpoint means that when they deny to us our right to live as people thats totally fine for him. His problem is only when the TCs have some problems too.

The root of the problem Viewpoint is that Turkey and UK are oppressing the Cypriots and deny to Cypriots their freedom and self determination with the help of your minority. Cyprus would have no problem at all if those two countries had not occupied and oppressed our island.

So don't pretend to be the victims that now need to be rewarded on the expense of most Cypriots. You are the aggressors and despite this we are willing to forgive your past and present crimes against us, so we will finally move on with peace, democracy and no racist discriminations. We are even willing to make compromises from our rights in order to achieve this.

On the other hand, not only you are not willing to make compromises from any of your rights, but no the contrary you want to use force and blackmail in order to have gains on our loss.

So Viewpoint, lets decide: Are we going to judge people based on the past and punish and reward accordingly? If that was the case then you have to be punished 100 times more, for your 100 times more crimes against us, not to be rewarded on our loss.

Or, we can just leave the excuses from the past behind, and finally accept human rights for all, democracy and no racist discriminations?

Piratis can you see the difference for you its living as people for us its just a few problems can you ont already see you are discriminating, where were yu when we were suffering in ghettos fearing for our lives?? where was the democracy and human rights you promote today? where will you be when I am discriminated against by GCs in a united Cyprus will stay silent and smirk when I am living in a GC state?

So according to you if Turkey and the UK were to leave us lone then everything would be ok? what if I do not feel safe? from GCs that wanted vegence for what happened 500 years ago let alone only 34 years, how do you think that makes us feel? we woudl feel exposed and at risk without the protection of Turkey and your demanding for their removal before a comprehensive solution is another indication that you wish to exploit their abesence to take control of the whole island using tactics of the past and excluding us from having a say in our own future, we will not all this to happen.

Could you kindly explain to us what it is we want to gain on your expense in a comprehensive solution? and why you object so fiercly to us having the right to have an effective say in our own future???

[Viewpoint]

For over 400 years Cyprus was oppressed and its people murdered at a whim and without excuse, with no recriminations and no courts to appeal to for justice ... but for a mere dozen years the TCs claim they were victimised by the GCs ........ and just for that, they expect a compensation of nearly half the island to hide from the GC "aggressors".

Exactly that, at the first opportunity to become people we messed up big time, the result of today stems directly from your own actions and the continued division also has your finger prints allover it, no one is innocent in this mess.

The opportunity to become "people" came to us a few million years ago ... some of us took it back then.

If you messed up that is your problem Chimp! I mean Chum!

If you had half a brain you would have worked out that I meant one people.....but you choose to continue your mission of hate and bloody mindedness to play with words rather than respond to the content of the post.

Viewpoint your content is null and void ......

I knew exactly what you meant ... and unfortunately I knew exactly what your answer would have been, had I chosen to reply as Piratis very generously did to you.

I offered a view .... you chose to return with your usual predictable echo ... and instead I chose to end it!

I don't think you know what you want.

If you were truly happy with what you have ... you would not be here letting off steam ... as I am, because I am not happy!

Then you declare the "TRNC" is wonderful and is the preferred option.

You are a contradiction.

Are you happy or are you not?

Do you want something better or do you not?

Are you looking for a solution or are you not?

You obviously do not know me well at all, I am here to test my belief that we all deserve partition as we prove over and over again how wide the chasm is between our communities...I truly believed in unification before the borders opened and the referendum took place but now as I have stated before am a partionists as I cannot see unifying with people like yourself, you help me to realize I am 100% correct in believing what I do.

[Piratis]

For over 400 years Cyprus was oppressed and its people murdered at a whim and without excuse, with no recriminations and no courts to appeal to for justice ... but for a mere dozen years the TCs claim they were victimised by the GCs ........ and just for that, they expect a compensation of nearly half the island to hide from the GC "aggressors".

Exactly that, at the first opportunity to become people we messed up big time, the result of today stems directly from your own actions and the continued division also has your finger prints allover it, no one is innocent in this mess.

The opportunity to become "people" came to us a few million years ago ... some of us took it back then.

If you messed up that is your problem Chimp! I mean Chum!

Viewpoint means that when they deny to us our right to live as people thats totally fine for him. His problem is only when the TCs have some problems too.

The root of the problem Viewpoint is that Turkey and UK are oppressing the Cypriots and deny to Cypriots their freedom and self determination with the help of your minority. Cyprus would have no problem at all if those two countries had not occupied and oppressed our island.

So don't pretend to be the victims that now need to be rewarded on the expense of most Cypriots. You are the aggressors and despite this we are willing to forgive your past and present crimes against us, so we will finally move on with peace, democracy and no racist discriminations. We are even willing to make compromises from our rights in order to achieve this.

On the other hand, not only you are not willing to make compromises from any of your rights, but no the contrary you want to use force and blackmail in order to have gains on our loss.

So Viewpoint, lets decide: Are we going to judge people based on the past and punish and reward accordingly? If that was the case then you have to be punished 100 times more, for your 100 times more crimes against us, not to be rewarded on our loss.

Or, we can just leave the excuses from the past behind, and finally accept human rights for all, democracy and no racist discriminations?

Piratis can you see the difference for you its living as people for us its just a few problems can you ont already see you are discriminating, where were yu when we were suffering in ghettos fearing for our lives?? where was the democracy and human rights you promote today? where will you be when I am discriminated against by GCs in a united Cyprus will stay silent and smirk when I am living in a GC state?

So according to you if Turkey and the UK were to leave us lone then everything would be ok? what if I do not feel safe? from GCs that wanted vegence for what happened 500 years ago let alone only 34 years, how do you think that makes us feel? we woudl feel exposed and at risk without the protection of Turkey and your demanding for their removal before a comprehensive solution is another indication that you wish to exploit their abesence to take control of the whole island using tactics of the past and excluding us from having a say in our own future, we will not all this to happen.

Could you kindly explain to us what it is we want to gain on your expense in a comprehensive solution? and why you object so fiercly to us having the right to have an effective say in our own future???

VP, where did you see me seeking vengeance? You accuse us that we slougtered you and we made you suffer, and I simply reminded you that you have done and continue doing today way worst things, for way more time. Or maybe you want to allow you to fake our history, and present yourselves as the victims, and us as the agressors, when the truth is the contrary? And yes, if Turks and British had never come to Cyprus with the purpose of occupying our island and enslaving us there wouldn't be any problem today.


I don't want to gain anything on your expense. Nothing at all. What I want is what belongs to us and nothing more than that. On the other hand it is you who is seeking vengeance and who is trying by force to gain on our loss what does not belong to you but belongs to us.

[Nikitas]

Like all previous GC contenders for the presidency, these two know squat about military power and its use. This has been the major deficiency of our leaders. Talk alone never gets you anywhere. No ally is willing to risk his neck for us. Turkey is not going to pull out as a result of any agreement no matter what the content is, and no matter how much is ceded to the TC community. Turkey wants a permanent presence on the island and a hand in its affairs in perpetuity. Overturning this plan is the point of the exercise. Coming to an agreement with TCs is the easy part because they are Cypriots.

And no, I am not advocating going to war. I am referring to understanding what military power is and how it is used and what its limitations are, so that we know how to negotiate with those that have military power.

Between the two, I really have trouble choosing. A French medical degree or a Russian PhD, hell of a choice.

[Viewpoint]

For over 400 years Cyprus was oppressed and its people murdered at a whim and without excuse, with no recriminations and no courts to appeal to for justice ... but for a mere dozen years the TCs claim they were victimised by the GCs ........ and just for that, they expect a compensation of nearly half the island to hide from the GC "aggressors".

Exactly that, at the first opportunity to become people we messed up big time, the result of today stems directly from your own actions and the continued division also has your finger prints allover it, no one is innocent in this mess.

The opportunity to become "people" came to us a few million years ago ... some of us took it back then.

If you messed up that is your problem Chimp! I mean Chum!

Viewpoint means that when they deny to us our right to live as people thats totally fine for him. His problem is only when the TCs have some problems too.

The root of the problem Viewpoint is that Turkey and UK are oppressing the Cypriots and deny to Cypriots their freedom and self determination with the help of your minority. Cyprus would have no problem at all if those two countries had not occupied and oppressed our island.

So don't pretend to be the victims that now need to be rewarded on the expense of most Cypriots. You are the aggressors and despite this we are willing to forgive your past and present crimes against us, so we will finally move on with peace, democracy and no racist discriminations. We are even willing to make compromises from our rights in order to achieve this.

On the other hand, not only you are not willing to make compromises from any of your rights, but no the contrary you want to use force and blackmail in order to have gains on our loss.

So Viewpoint, lets decide: Are we going to judge people based on the past and punish and reward accordingly? If that was the case then you have to be punished 100 times more, for your 100 times more crimes against us, not to be rewarded on our loss.

Or, we can just leave the excuses from the past behind, and finally accept human rights for all, democracy and no racist discriminations?

Piratis can you see the difference for you its living as people for us its just a few problems can you ont already see you are discriminating, where were yu when we were suffering in ghettos fearing for our lives?? where was the democracy and human rights you promote today? where will you be when I am discriminated against by GCs in a united Cyprus will stay silent and smirk when I am living in a GC state?

So according to you if Turkey and the UK were to leave us lone then everything would be ok? what if I do not feel safe? from GCs that wanted vegence for what happened 500 years ago let alone only 34 years, how do you think that makes us feel? we woudl feel exposed and at risk without the protection of Turkey and your demanding for their removal before a comprehensive solution is another indication that you wish to exploit their abesence to take control of the whole island using tactics of the past and excluding us from having a say in our own future, we will not all this to happen.

Could you kindly explain to us what it is we want to gain on your expense in a comprehensive solution? and why you object so fiercly to us having the right to have an effective say in our own future???

VP, where did you see me seeking vengeance? You accuse us that we slougtered you and we made you suffer, and I simply reminded you that you have done and continue doing today way worst things, for way more time. Or maybe you want to allow you to fake our history, and present yourselves as the victims, and us as the agressors, when the truth is the contrary? And yes, if Turks and British had never come to Cyprus with the purpose of occupying our island and enslaving us there wouldn't be any problem today.


I don't want to gain anything on your expense. Nothing at all. What I want is what belongs to us and nothing more than that. On the other hand it is you who is seeking vengeance and who is trying by force to gain on our loss what does not belong to you but belongs to us.

A great twisting of words, have you ever spoken with the older TCs to hear the real story of what happened in the past to TCs, you seem to dismiss or belittle the suffering and discrimination suffered at the hands of the GCs, never forget your complaint is always against Turkey but ours is against you, theres a big difference.

Your vegence is the using of what happened 500 years ago to excuse what you did only 45 years.

The past we cannot change and the British and Turks are in Cyprus whether there influence is good or bad the result is the partition we have today, we cannot blame them purely for this as we have had the opportunity to unite but have pushed it away with the back of our hands. I do not want to gain anything on the loss of GCs but without being given a blue print of how I will be protected and how my community will have an effect say in our future we will never unite and you will continue to suffer by having the wealth and GC state you have always wanted a little smaller than you wished but yours all the same, and we will continue forward with Turkey in an unrecognized state, only with the blue print can we move forward, safeguards are vital to ensuring the mistakes of the past are not repeated and things are not left to chance.

[Oracle]

Your vegence is the using of what happened 500 years ago to excuse what you did only 45 years.

How little that was, compared to what you are doing to us this very minute ...

Ooohh for hindsight, if we had known how much you would have taken, how much you would have made us suffer for the little adjustments we wanted in order to improve our constitution ...

[Piratis]

VP, what did I twist my friend? You present your suffering and I present ours, do you have a problem with that? Isn't it a fact that Greek Cypriots are the ones who have been victimized the most and for the longest time, something that continues until today? Isn't it a fact that it is not the Cypriots who invaded Turkey or UK, but the other way around? So stop trying to present yourselves as the victims here.

I want no vengeance for the crimes you are committing against us today let alone for the ones you had committed in the past. What I want is our land and our rights.

And your safeguards can not overwrite our rights. We have suffered and continue to suffer from you WAY more than you did from us, but we do not ask that you should be ethnically cleansed, or have any of your human rights violated, so we will feel safe. What we ask from is democracy and human rights for all, and finally for our island to be free from foreign troops and foreign oppression.