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[Viewpoint]

Very entertaining lets watch the GC people choose their leader, which one is more likely to have the vision desire or determination to display a stance unknown to GCs in order to compromise and find a solution??

Viewpoint, can you tell me what compromises you have made from your rights in order to achieve solution? You have made none, and on the contrary you demand to gain even more on our loss.

We have made a ton of compromises, but you will accept nothing short of partition, and this is why a solution can not be found.

Non recognition,

Your hijacking of the "RoC"

Slaughter of TCs

Living in ghettos for 11 years

Discriminaiton by GCs

Persecution

The attempted gifting of my country to Greece come to mind.

Why don't you just give up and let some other TC represent you because you're as boring and predictable as Grivas' long decomposed grandma...

If you have any arguement to put forward do so if not shut the fuck up we can all play the rude scarcastic game you play.

[Piratis]

When were you given the opportunity to build a united Cyprus 1571?

We were not given any opportunities at all. We were discriminated and oppressed.

your venom for what happened 500 years ago is well known on the forum thats just another good reason why a union with people of your mental capacity should be so water tight that it will not allow you to repeat the mistakes of the past, your every comment indicates you wish to take control of the whole island and do us a favor by letting us reside like foreigners in our own country.

My venom? In every post you keep crying about your suffering and trying to use it as an excuse, but I can't talk about ours? And I am not talking about what happened 500 years ago, I am also talking about what is happening today and for the last 34 years.
What I ask from you is not to be foreigners, but equal Cypriot citizens without the racist discriminations you insist upon.

Well that aint never gonna happen, we all have to make compromises for our misktakes your is loss of life and land ours is life and recognition, so as long as the vision and desire to agree a solution does not materialize we will continue on as we are.

You never had the right for a separate recognition, but we always had the right to our own land.

The compromise would be to,

Give up the TRNC

Give up the protection of the Turkish Army

So "give up" some of your illegalities, not a single of your rights. On the other hand you ask from us to compromise even our basic human and democratic rights!

Risk our future

Risk being dragged into debate and termoil by GCs to getting agreements overturned or amended.

Risk being attacked by GC fanatics

I could say the same VP, or maybe you don't have fanatics on your side? Thats a risk you took 430 years ago when you came to Cyprus, you can't now grab our land and violate our rights just because you don't want to take any risks.

[michalis5354]

For me the only DIFFERENCE is Ideology. All the rest are more or less the same.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

We were not given any opportunities at all. We were discriminated and oppressed.

1960 was the only opportunity we had allbeit not perfect but nothing ever is, it an opporunity to build trust and harmony can you truthly say that is what the GCs were trying to do or was they totally wrong in signing a document they had no intention of honouring and at the first opportunity wanted to eradicate the TCs in everyway possible.

Have you ever sat down with the older generation TCs and listened to what they have to say about the GCs and what they got up t back then? or is it that you dismiss your communities role in being the element that has caused the division you complain of today, and you so conveneiently label illegal whereas we see it as safe haven untill a time when GCs can understand and accomadate our genuine concerns and the righ to be heard.

My venom? In every post you keep crying about your suffering and trying to use it as an excuse, but I can't talk about ours? And I am not talking about what happened 500 years ago, I am also talking about what is happening today and for the last 34 years.
What I ask from you is not to be foreigners, but equal Cypriot citizens without the racist discriminations you insist upon.

Do you deny that your role in our past history has created today? and that you continued lack of vision understanding or will to solve the issue contributes to partition?

You never had the right for a separate recognition, but we always had the right to our own land.

We had the right to fight back and survive and that is exactly what we did and what we will never regret. What we do regret is the lost opportunity to build a united Cyprus where we were considered equals and not a hinderence to Hellenic aspirations.

So "give up" some of your illegalities, not a single of your rights. On the other hand you ask from us to compromise even our basic human and democratic rights!

Just as soon as we agree a settlement where we are guaranteed and effective say in our own future and that you are unable to brush us to one side just as you attemtpted to do so in the past.

I could say the same VP, or maybe you don't have fanatics on your side? Thats a risk you took 430 years ago when you came to Cyprus, you can't now grab our land and violate our rights just because you don't want to take any risks.

You are totally right and I would agree to any conditions that would provide for the safety and well being of GCs and you claim the same?

[Oracle]

For over 400 years Cyprus was oppressed and its people murdered at a whim and without excuse, with no recriminations and no courts to appeal to for justice ... but for a mere dozen years the TCs claim they were victimised by the GCs ........ and just for that, they expect a compensation of nearly half the island to hide from the GC "aggressors".

[Viewpoint]

For over 400 years Cyprus was oppressed and its people murdered at a whim and without excuse, with no recriminations and no courts to appeal to for justice ... but for a mere dozen years the TCs claim they were victimised by the GCs ........ and just for that, they expect a compensation of nearly half the island to hide from the GC "aggressors".

Exactly that, at the first opportunity to become people we messed up big time, the result of today stems directly from your own actions and the continued division also has your finger prints allover it, no one is innocent in this mess.

[Oracle]

For over 400 years Cyprus was oppressed and its people murdered at a whim and without excuse, with no recriminations and no courts to appeal to for justice ... but for a mere dozen years the TCs claim they were victimised by the GCs ........ and just for that, they expect a compensation of nearly half the island to hide from the GC "aggressors".

Exactly that, at the first opportunity to become people we messed up big time, the result of today stems directly from your own actions and the continued division also has your finger prints allover it, no one is innocent in this mess.

The opportunity to become "people" came to us a few million years ago ... some of us took it back then.

If you messed up that is your problem Chimp! I mean Chum!

[Piratis]

For over 400 years Cyprus was oppressed and its people murdered at a whim and without excuse, with no recriminations and no courts to appeal to for justice ... but for a mere dozen years the TCs claim they were victimised by the GCs ........ and just for that, they expect a compensation of nearly half the island to hide from the GC "aggressors".

Exactly that, at the first opportunity to become people we messed up big time, the result of today stems directly from your own actions and the continued division also has your finger prints allover it, no one is innocent in this mess.

The opportunity to become "people" came to us a few million years ago ... some of us took it back then.

If you messed up that is your problem Chimp! I mean Chum!

Viewpoint means that when they deny to us our right to live as people thats totally fine for him. His problem is only when the TCs have some problems too.

The root of the problem Viewpoint is that Turkey and UK are oppressing the Cypriots and deny to Cypriots their freedom and self determination with the help of your minority. Cyprus would have no problem at all if those two countries had not occupied and oppressed our island.

So don't pretend to be the victims that now need to be rewarded on the expense of most Cypriots. You are the aggressors and despite this we are willing to forgive your past and present crimes against us, so we will finally move on with peace, democracy and no racist discriminations. We are even willing to make compromises from our rights in order to achieve this.

On the other hand, not only you are not willing to make compromises from any of your rights, but no the contrary you want to use force and blackmail in order to have gains on our loss.

So Viewpoint, lets decide: Are we going to judge people based on the past and punish and reward accordingly? If that was the case then you have to be punished 100 times more, for your 100 times more crimes against us, not to be rewarded on our loss.

Or, we can just leave the excuses from the past behind, and finally accept human rights for all, democracy and no racist discriminations?

[kurupetos]

I vote Makarios!!!

[Natty]

I vote Makarios!!!

Hold up, when did we time travel back to the sixties?!?