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[Oracle]

The system in the UK meant I could never have the party I voted for ... the Liberal Democrats ... assume power.

So they have just two swinging parties playing with taxation and meddling in other countries, and not much else in terms of policy.

[michalis5354]

Does any know when the current Greek national anthem be replaced to a Cypriot National Anthem? and When the Greek Flags be removed from the street? I hope our New president follows what he preaches and not say one thing and do another the next day....Otherwise we are going to watch a Comedy. Lets wait and see....

Again may I repeat Despite the above collusion DUSI has won a big % of other parties. If you think you can ignore all these people that have accepted K philosophy you will get a big slap on the face....

[Oracle]

As if our constitution says that regardless of what the people want or vote for, this small party in the centre will be in every single govt whether the people want them there or not.!

It is no "small party" and it is not just one party. The center as a whole represents about 1/3rd of the people of Cyprus. Another 3rd is the the right, and another 3rd is the left. Two of these 3rds have to cooperate in order to elect a government. If you don't want the center in the government then you have to cooperate with the other extreme. You are free to do it if you and they wish. But obviously being on the opposite extremes makes such cooperation implausible.

Pirati, thee is nothing wrong with a 2 party system. The US and the UK are doing absolutely fine with it. It actually promotes democracy and makes sure that smaller parties are no respresented in a govt when a party with a much larger percentage is kept out.

Democratically who should be represented more in govt today? The 33% of DISY supporters or the 15% of DEKO supporters? I say the more we move to the 2 larger parties the closer these 2 parties will be forced to move to each other. This will make up the gap left behind by the smaller central parties and will ensure that you get te govt you vote for...not the govt 15% voted for.

Soryy DT. but what you say doesn't make sense.

Christofias was voted by 53%+ of the people, not 15%.

In order to get 50%+ then obviously you have make a proposal that will be acceptable by the majority. If you have an extreme position, while it might satisfy some people at a higher degree, it will not satisfy at all some others, and therefore you will not have a 50%+ support.

And if we had just 2 parties, and those parties were forced to move close to each other, then the citizens would have what options? Just two parties that are more or less the same? You find this democratic?

If DISY and AKEL agree, and they disagree with the other 3rd, then there is nothing in our system that stops AKEL and DISY to partner and leave the other 3rd out.

Interesting argument, but how can you call te Democrats and the Republicans undemocratic? Or the conservatives and Labour?

My point is that a party such as EDEK with 7-8% of the vote is now in govt with a minister or two. DEKO with a 15% vote is now in govt with 30% of the ministerial jos in the govt. DISY with 33% of the vote is not. Thats undemocratic the fact that 8% of the vote can affect and take govt deicsions whereas 33% is sidelined.

53% + 7% + 15% = 75% of the population are represented in Government ...

Good going ....

[DT.]

As if our constitution says that regardless of what the people want or vote for, this small party in the centre will be in every single govt whether the people want them there or not.!

It is no "small party" and it is not just one party. The center as a whole represents about 1/3rd of the people of Cyprus. Another 3rd is the the right, and another 3rd is the left. Two of these 3rds have to cooperate in order to elect a government. If you don't want the center in the government then you have to cooperate with the other extreme. You are free to do it if you and they wish. But obviously being on the opposite extremes makes such cooperation implausible.

Pirati, thee is nothing wrong with a 2 party system. The US and the UK are doing absolutely fine with it. It actually promotes democracy and makes sure that smaller parties are no respresented in a govt when a party with a much larger percentage is kept out.

Democratically who should be represented more in govt today? The 33% of DISY supporters or the 15% of DEKO supporters? I say the more we move to the 2 larger parties the closer these 2 parties will be forced to move to each other. This will make up the gap left behind by the smaller central parties and will ensure that you get te govt you vote for...not the govt 15% voted for.

Soryy DT. but what you say doesn't make sense.

Christofias was voted by 53%+ of the people, not 15%.

In order to get 50%+ then obviously you have make a proposal that will be acceptable by the majority. If you have an extreme position, while it might satisfy some people at a higher degree, it will not satisfy at all some others, and therefore you will not have a 50%+ support.

And if we had just 2 parties, and those parties were forced to move close to each other, then the citizens would have what options? Just two parties that are more or less the same? You find this democratic?

If DISY and AKEL agree, and they disagree with the other 3rd, then there is nothing in our system that stops AKEL and DISY to partner and leave the other 3rd out.

Interesting argument, but how can you call te Democrats and the Republicans undemocratic? Or the conservatives and Labour?

My point is that a party such as EDEK with 7-8% of the vote is now in govt with a minister or two. DEKO with a 15% vote is now in govt with 30% of the ministerial jos in the govt. DISY with 33% of the vote is not. Thats undemocratic the fact that 8% of the vote can affect and take govt deicsions whereas 33% is sidelined.

53% + 7% + 15% = 75% of the population are represented in Government ...

Good going ....

I see your maths is as good as your diplomatic skill

[Oracle]

As if our constitution says that regardless of what the people want or vote for, this small party in the centre will be in every single govt whether the people want them there or not.!

It is no "small party" and it is not just one party. The center as a whole represents about 1/3rd of the people of Cyprus. Another 3rd is the the right, and another 3rd is the left. Two of these 3rds have to cooperate in order to elect a government. If you don't want the center in the government then you have to cooperate with the other extreme. You are free to do it if you and they wish. But obviously being on the opposite extremes makes such cooperation implausible.

Pirati, thee is nothing wrong with a 2 party system. The US and the UK are doing absolutely fine with it. It actually promotes democracy and makes sure that smaller parties are no respresented in a govt when a party with a much larger percentage is kept out.

Democratically who should be represented more in govt today? The 33% of DISY supporters or the 15% of DEKO supporters? I say the more we move to the 2 larger parties the closer these 2 parties will be forced to move to each other. This will make up the gap left behind by the smaller central parties and will ensure that you get te govt you vote for...not the govt 15% voted for.

Soryy DT. but what you say doesn't make sense.

Christofias was voted by 53%+ of the people, not 15%.

In order to get 50%+ then obviously you have make a proposal that will be acceptable by the majority. If you have an extreme position, while it might satisfy some people at a higher degree, it will not satisfy at all some others, and therefore you will not have a 50%+ support.

And if we had just 2 parties, and those parties were forced to move close to each other, then the citizens would have what options? Just two parties that are more or less the same? You find this democratic?

If DISY and AKEL agree, and they disagree with the other 3rd, then there is nothing in our system that stops AKEL and DISY to partner and leave the other 3rd out.

Interesting argument, but how can you call te Democrats and the Republicans undemocratic? Or the conservatives and Labour?

My point is that a party such as EDEK with 7-8% of the vote is now in govt with a minister or two. DEKO with a 15% vote is now in govt with 30% of the ministerial jos in the govt. DISY with 33% of the vote is not. Thats undemocratic the fact that 8% of the vote can affect and take govt deicsions whereas 33% is sidelined.

53% + 7% + 15% = 75% of the population are represented in Government ...

Good going ....

I see your maths is as good as your diplomatic skill

..... are you disputing my vital statistics

[Piratis]

Interesting argument, but how can you call te Democrats and the Republicans undemocratic? Or the conservatives and Labour?

I didn't say they are undemocratic, but that what we have here is better since it gives more options to the citizens, instead of one option in two slightly different versions.

My point is that a party such as EDEK with 7-8% of the vote is now in govt with a minister or two. DEKO with a 15% vote is now in govt with 30% of the ministerial jos in the govt. DISY with 33% of the vote is not. Thats undemocratic the fact that 8% of the vote can affect and take govt deicsions whereas 33% is sidelined.

It is not sidelined, it lost the elections. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't have elections and each party should get ministers according to its power in the parliamentary elections?

If we had a two party system with one party at 51% and another at 49% it would mean that the 51% would get the 100% of the ministers, and the 49% would get nothing. How is that different?

[DT.]

not if we're going to start talking about your behind again.

[Piratis]

Does any know when the current Greek national anthem be replaced to a Cypriot National Anthem? and When the Greek Flags be removed from the street? I hope our New president follows what he preaches and not say one thing and do another the next day....Otherwise we are going to watch a Comedy. Lets wait and see....

Again may I repeat Despite the above collusion DUSI has won a big % of other parties. If you think you can ignore all these people that have accepted K philosophy you will get a big slap on the face....

Where did you read that Christofias "preached" to change the anthem?? Not in some SMS or email send by Kasoulides I hope!!

[DT.]

Does any know when the current Greek national anthem be replaced to a Cypriot National Anthem? and When the Greek Flags be removed from the street? I hope our New president follows what he preaches and not say one thing and do another the next day....Otherwise we are going to watch a Comedy. Lets wait and see....

Again may I repeat Despite the above collusion DUSI has won a big % of other parties. If you think you can ignore all these people that have accepted K philosophy you will get a big slap on the face....

Where did you read that Christofias "preached" to change the anthem?? Not in some SMS or email send by Kasoulides I hope!!

I haven't heard him say that either but with a few gestures of goodwill from the other side to match, this wouldn't be a bad idea.(the anthem)

[michalis5354]

So If you are not willing to change the Greek National Anthem that violates Independence what makes you any different that those nationalist DUSI who are flying the Greek flags. Double Standards and inconsitent policies!