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[DT.]

Kifeas, your comment on my question above please.

Your question is irrelevant! The two cases are not comparable!

WHy is is irrelevant Kifeas? Why where you so shocked and horrified at the Hellenic flags and yet you have not uttered one word at the Red flags, the CCCP flags, the Che Guevara Flags, the Cuban flags and the Venezuelan flags?

WHy is it irrelevant Kifeas? We're all anxious to hear.

Because they do not carry the same connotations as the Greek flags do in our case! Because the few Che Guevara banners (I haven't seen any Cuban or Venezuelan flags) were not there instead of the RoC flags, like the case of Greek flags in the other scenario! Because the few other flags -besides the thousands of Cypriot flags and some Greek ones, do not send the same negative messages to the other Communities in Cyprus! Because even the TC leftists in the north do carry Che Guevara flags, and at least there just one common symbol that both GCs and TCs will carry, even if this is Che Guevara’s face! Because! Because! Because!

Check the Republics consitution. Respect to the cutlural heritage of the people of this country both Turkish and Greek. I don't remember CCCP flags being part of this.

Congratulations everyone. We've been re-formatted to a nauseating scale, when a flag that denotes our cultural and ethnic background can make so many of you sick to your stomachs, and close your eyes to the xenomania brought in by those you support.
I can remember the struggles Che had on behalf of the Cypriot people.!

Respect to our country's flag, but while across the green line they're draping themselves in their Turkish flags and Pac-Man flashes on our mountain night after night our Neo-Cypriots take offence to a Hellenic symbol.

This is what we've become, the Cypriot people deserve all they get. And now you may feel free to quote after VP and remind me of EOKA B and all the other negative images this symbol brings you, while I try to explain to my son what the hell is a CCCP flag and why our president seems to identify with it.

And by the way, the Greek flags observed in ELeftheria and at the DEKO offices where just that, carried by your beloved party supporters of DEKO.

The flag is not so disgusting when its carried by DEKO though is it?

[Kifeas]

Kifeas, your comment on my question above please.

Your question is irrelevant! The two cases are not comparable!

WHy is is irrelevant Kifeas? Why where you so shocked and horrified at the Hellenic flags and yet you have not uttered one word at the Red flags, the CCCP flags, the Che Guevara Flags, the Cuban flags and the Venezuelan flags?

WHy is it irrelevant Kifeas? We're all anxious to hear.

Because they do not carry the same connotations as the Greek flags do in our case! Because the few Che Guevara banners (I haven't seen any Cuban or Venezuelan flags) were not there instead of the RoC flags, like the case of Greek flags in the other scenario! Because the few other flags -besides the thousands of Cypriot flags and some Greek ones, do not send the same negative messages to the other Communities in Cyprus! Because even the TC leftists in the north do carry Che Guevara flags, and at least there just one common symbol that both GCs and TCs will carry, even if this is Che Guevara’s face! Because! Because! Because!

Check the Republics consitution. Respect to the cutlural heritage of the people of this country both Turkish and Greek. I don't remember CCCP flags being part of this.

Congratulations everyone. We've been re-formatted to a nauseating scale, when a flag that denotes our cultural and ethnic background can make so many of you sick to your stomachs, and close your eyes to the xenomania brought in by those you support.
I can remember the struggles Che had on behalf of the Cypriot people.!

Respect to our country's flag, but while across the green line they're draping themselves in their Turkish flags and Pac-Man flashes on our mountain night after night our Neo-Cypriots take offence to a Hellenic symbol.

This is what we've become, the Cypriot people deserve all they get. And now you may feel free to quote after VP and remind me of EOKA B and all the other negative images this symbol brings you, while I try to explain to my son what the hell is a CCCP flag and why our president seems to identify with it.

DT, do not play the fool! Are you seriously saying that the proclamation of the president of the Republic of Cyprus, under an ocean of Hellenic Republic flags and an absolute zero number of Cypriot flags, is the same with what you saw tonight?

[Viewpoint]

The "enemy" is very confused right now they cant stop laughing , it is their biggest win so far on the Cyprob arena . They cant believe their luck !!!

Their win was last week. Today we just managed to minimize the loss by choosing the "yesno" instead of the "yes".

Do you really think we would come and reward those that asked the people to vote "yes" in the referendum Miltiades? What message that would send? Personally I think those people should have resigned. They didn't, and thats their right, but they can't expect to rule Cyprus today when just a few years ago they were willing to sell us out despite knowing full well that the majority of the people was against that plan.

Thats right Piratis, why stop there? I voted no as well but I can name at least 4 people in my family that voted yes. I remeber that day, one of them said "whatever I vote i fear I will regret it, I don't know what tomorrow will bring for either one of these decisions.."

Why don't we round them up as well Piratis and make sure they will never have a political career in this country? Maybe we can insert a microchip in their arm to be able to identify them.

WHEREN'T YOU THE ONE THAT ASKED A FEW POSTS AGO "WHY CAN'T WE RESPECT DEMOCRACY?"

I'll teach you a little something about democracy Piratis, you respect the loser more than the winner. He's the one you need to bring across.

I voted YES and also regret my vote not because the AP was bad but because I really thought GCs also wanted to compromise and resolve this matter once and for all. They had Turkey on the run but failed to vote them out, Turkey came out the victor she always performs best when forced into a corner.

[DT.]

Kifeas, your comment on my question above please.

Your question is irrelevant! The two cases are not comparable!

WHy is is irrelevant Kifeas? Why where you so shocked and horrified at the Hellenic flags and yet you have not uttered one word at the Red flags, the CCCP flags, the Che Guevara Flags, the Cuban flags and the Venezuelan flags?

WHy is it irrelevant Kifeas? We're all anxious to hear.

Because they do not carry the same connotations as the Greek flags do in our case! Because the few Che Guevara banners (I haven't seen any Cuban or Venezuelan flags) were not there instead of the RoC flags, like the case of Greek flags in the other scenario! Because the few other flags -besides the thousands of Cypriot flags and some Greek ones, do not send the same negative messages to the other Communities in Cyprus! Because even the TC leftists in the north do carry Che Guevara flags, and at least there just one common symbol that both GCs and TCs will carry, even if this is Che Guevara’s face! Because! Because! Because!

Check the Republics consitution. Respect to the cutlural heritage of the people of this country both Turkish and Greek. I don't remember CCCP flags being part of this.

Congratulations everyone. We've been re-formatted to a nauseating scale, when a flag that denotes our cultural and ethnic background can make so many of you sick to your stomachs, and close your eyes to the xenomania brought in by those you support.
I can remember the struggles Che had on behalf of the Cypriot people.!

Respect to our country's flag, but while across the green line they're draping themselves in their Turkish flags and Pac-Man flashes on our mountain night after night our Neo-Cypriots take offence to a Hellenic symbol.

This is what we've become, the Cypriot people deserve all they get. And now you may feel free to quote after VP and remind me of EOKA B and all the other negative images this symbol brings you, while I try to explain to my son what the hell is a CCCP flag and why our president seems to identify with it.

DT, do not play the fool! Are you seriously saying that the proclamation of the president of the Republic of Cyprus, under an ocean of Hellenic Republic flags and an absolute zero number of Cypriot flags, is the same with what you saw tonight?

1) How do you know that it would be a sea of Greek flags? AKEL managed to make all that red dissapear the past week and they only came up today. From what my brother in law says, the Cypriot flags where given out by EDON and people were told to carry them. The same would have been done by Kasoulides....Or is AKEL the only party who can afford a PR firm????
2) There was a minority of Cyprus flags today. DId you not mind? (the majority of white flags with the yellow in the middle where CHristofias flags which said "Fair solution, Fair society,") The rest were red, and the others were Green Omonoia Flags!

[Piratis]

The "enemy" is very confused right now they cant stop laughing , it is their biggest win so far on the Cyprob arena . They cant believe their luck !!!

Their win was last week. Today we just managed to minimize the loss by choosing the "yesno" instead of the "yes".

Do you really think we would come and reward those that asked the people to vote "yes" in the referendum Miltiades? What message that would send? Personally I think those people should have resigned. They didn't, and thats their right, but they can't expect to rule Cyprus today when just a few years ago they were willing to sell us out despite knowing full well that the majority of the people was against that plan.

Thats right Piratis, why stop there? I voted no as well but I can name at least 4 people in my family that voted yes. I remeber that day, one of them said "whatever I vote i fear I will regret it, I don't know what tomorrow will bring for either one of these decisions.."

Why don't we round them up as well Piratis and make sure they will never have a political career in this country? Maybe we can insert a microchip in their arm to be able to identify them.

WHEREN'T YOU THE ONE THAT ASKED A FEW POSTS AGO "WHY CAN'T WE RESPECT DEMOCRACY?"

I'll teach you a little something about democracy Piratis, you respect the loser more than the winner. He's the one you need to bring across.

DT., I clearly said: "Personally I think those people should have resigned. They didn't, and thats their right". So where did you see anything about "round ups" and "microchips"? Also I am talking about the leaders, not regular people. In other countries in Europe if a party had asked from its people, in a very important referendum, to vote in one way, and the great majority of them voted in a different way, then the leaders of that party would have resigned. The same would happen to the leaders of one of the biggest parties if they failed to elect a goverment twice. Can you imagine the Conservatives in UK or the Socialists in Germany to loose the elections twice and their leaderships not to resign? DISY claims to be the most European party, but I don't see them showing this with actions. Thats their right of course, I am expressing my opinion, nothing more than that. It is up to them to decide what they want to do in their own party. But if they make the wrong moves and the opposite extreme is elected then they shouldn't complain and blame others.

[DT.]

The "enemy" is very confused right now they cant stop laughing , it is their biggest win so far on the Cyprob arena . They cant believe their luck !!!

Their win was last week. Today we just managed to minimize the loss by choosing the "yesno" instead of the "yes".

Do you really think we would come and reward those that asked the people to vote "yes" in the referendum Miltiades? What message that would send? Personally I think those people should have resigned. They didn't, and thats their right, but they can't expect to rule Cyprus today when just a few years ago they were willing to sell us out despite knowing full well that the majority of the people was against that plan.

Thats right Piratis, why stop there? I voted no as well but I can name at least 4 people in my family that voted yes. I remeber that day, one of them said "whatever I vote i fear I will regret it, I don't know what tomorrow will bring for either one of these decisions.."

Why don't we round them up as well Piratis and make sure they will never have a political career in this country? Maybe we can insert a microchip in their arm to be able to identify them.

WHEREN'T YOU THE ONE THAT ASKED A FEW POSTS AGO "WHY CAN'T WE RESPECT DEMOCRACY?"

I'll teach you a little something about democracy Piratis, you respect the loser more than the winner. He's the one you need to bring across.

DT., I clearly said: "Personally I think those people should have resigned. They didn't, and thats their right". So where did you see anything about "round ups" and "microchips"? Also I am talking about the leaders, not regular people. In other countries in Europe if a party had asked from its people, in a very important referendum, to vote in one way, and the great majority of them voted in a different way, then the leaders of that party would have resigned. The same would happen to the leaders of one of the biggest parties if they failed to elect a goverment twice. Can you imagine the Conservatives in UK or the Socialists in Germany to loose the elections twice and their leaderships not to resign? DISY claims to be the most European party, but I don't see them showing this with actions. Thats their right of course, I am expressing my opinion, nothing more than that. It is up to them to decide what they want to do in their own party. But if they make the wrong moves and the opposite extreme is elected then they shouldn't complain and blame others.

NO one's complaining or blaming others. DISY has offered a hand of cooperation to AkEL. The only people I've heard blaming others are DEKO supporters who are blaming DISY for making them vote for AKEL!!

As if our constitution says that regardless of what the people want or vote for, this small party in the centre will be in every single govt whether the people want them there or not.!

[Piratis]

As if our constitution says that regardless of what the people want or vote for, this small party in the centre will be in every single govt whether the people want them there or not.!

It is no "small party" and it is not just one party. The center as a whole represents about 1/3rd of the people of Cyprus. Another 3rd is the the right, and another 3rd is the left. Two of these 3rds have to cooperate in order to elect a government. If you don't want the center in the government then you have to cooperate with the other extreme. You are free to do it if you and they wish. But obviously being on the opposite extremes makes such cooperation implausible.

[DT.]

As if our constitution says that regardless of what the people want or vote for, this small party in the centre will be in every single govt whether the people want them there or not.!

It is no "small party" and it is not just one party. The center as a whole represents about 1/3rd of the people of Cyprus. Another 3rd is the the right, and another 3rd is the left. Two of these 3rds have to cooperate in order to elect a government. If you don't want the center in the government then you have to cooperate with the other extreme. You are free to do it if you and they wish. But obviously being on the opposite extremes makes such cooperation implausible.

Pirati, thee is nothing wrong with a 2 party system. The US and the UK are doing absolutely fine with it. It actually promotes democracy and makes sure that smaller parties are no respresented in a govt when a party with a much larger percentage is kept out.

Democratically who should be represented more in govt today? The 33% of DISY supporters or the 15% of DEKO supporters? I say the more we move to the 2 larger parties the closer these 2 parties will be forced to move to each other. This will make up the gap left behind by the smaller central parties and will ensure that you get te govt you vote for...not the govt 15% voted for.

[Piratis]

As if our constitution says that regardless of what the people want or vote for, this small party in the centre will be in every single govt whether the people want them there or not.!

It is no "small party" and it is not just one party. The center as a whole represents about 1/3rd of the people of Cyprus. Another 3rd is the the right, and another 3rd is the left. Two of these 3rds have to cooperate in order to elect a government. If you don't want the center in the government then you have to cooperate with the other extreme. You are free to do it if you and they wish. But obviously being on the opposite extremes makes such cooperation implausible.

Pirati, thee is nothing wrong with a 2 party system. The US and the UK are doing absolutely fine with it. It actually promotes democracy and makes sure that smaller parties are no respresented in a govt when a party with a much larger percentage is kept out.

Democratically who should be represented more in govt today? The 33% of DISY supporters or the 15% of DEKO supporters? I say the more we move to the 2 larger parties the closer these 2 parties will be forced to move to each other. This will make up the gap left behind by the smaller central parties and will ensure that you get te govt you vote for...not the govt 15% voted for.

Soryy DT. but what you say doesn't make sense.

Christofias was voted by 53%+ of the people, not 15%.

In order to get 50%+ then obviously you have make a proposal that will be acceptable by the majority. If you have an extreme position, while it might satisfy some people at a higher degree, it will not satisfy at all some others, and therefore you will not have a 50%+ support.

And if we had just 2 parties, and those parties were forced to move close to each other, then the citizens would have what options? Just two parties that are more or less the same? You find this democratic?

If DISY and AKEL agree, and they disagree with the other 3rd, then there is nothing in our system that stops AKEL and DISY to partner and leave the other 3rd out.

[DT.]

As if our constitution says that regardless of what the people want or vote for, this small party in the centre will be in every single govt whether the people want them there or not.!

It is no "small party" and it is not just one party. The center as a whole represents about 1/3rd of the people of Cyprus. Another 3rd is the the right, and another 3rd is the left. Two of these 3rds have to cooperate in order to elect a government. If you don't want the center in the government then you have to cooperate with the other extreme. You are free to do it if you and they wish. But obviously being on the opposite extremes makes such cooperation implausible.

Pirati, thee is nothing wrong with a 2 party system. The US and the UK are doing absolutely fine with it. It actually promotes democracy and makes sure that smaller parties are no respresented in a govt when a party with a much larger percentage is kept out.

Democratically who should be represented more in govt today? The 33% of DISY supporters or the 15% of DEKO supporters? I say the more we move to the 2 larger parties the closer these 2 parties will be forced to move to each other. This will make up the gap left behind by the smaller central parties and will ensure that you get te govt you vote for...not the govt 15% voted for.

Soryy DT. but what you say doesn't make sense.

Christofias was voted by 53%+ of the people, not 15%.

In order to get 50%+ then obviously you have make a proposal that will be acceptable by the majority. If you have an extreme position, while it might satisfy some people at a higher degree, it will not satisfy at all some others, and therefore you will not have a 50%+ support.

And if we had just 2 parties, and those parties were forced to move close to each other, then the citizens would have what options? Just two parties that are more or less the same? You find this democratic?

If DISY and AKEL agree, and they disagree with the other 3rd, then there is nothing in our system that stops AKEL and DISY to partner and leave the other 3rd out.

Interesting argument, but how can you call te Democrats and the Republicans undemocratic? Or the conservatives and Labour?

My point is that a party such as EDEK with 7-8% of the vote is now in govt with a minister or two. DEKO with a 15% vote is now in govt with 30% of the ministerial jos in the govt. DISY with 33% of the vote is not. Thats undemocratic the fact that 8% of the vote can affect and take govt deicsions whereas 33% is sidelined.