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[Kifeas]

Uzan,

Not hat I agree with your reaction but please make sure you quote the right person as I didn't post the paragraph you attribute to me in your above posting.

[Kifeas]

double posting.

[Kifeas]

LOOK gate locked because we didn't want you to come to our side.Now we can shut the gates any time we want,and you have to show passport to come to uor side.

Uzan,

When your community builds a Salamina, a Soloi, a St. Hilarion castle, a Buffavento castle, a St. Barnabas monastery, an Apostolos Andreas monastery, a Lapithos, a kyrenia castle, and all the rest of the ancient monuments that you promote to the tourists but simultaneously hide to them the fact that they are the cultural heritage of the Greek Cypriots, then you will be ethically and morally allowed to call the north, your side. Until then, you cannot claim it to be your side, as it belongs to all Cypriots (in fact much more to the GCs) and we will never recognise to you such a right.

[metecyp]

In 1975, one year after, although this fear continued to exist, it was not to the same extent like in 1974, nor it was the only reason why TCs moved to the south. That is why I said a little bit of one reason, a little bit of another reason, etc. I believe I gave a fair description to the climate in 1975 and the reasons why TC decided to move north.

So after 1 year of all the violence, you expected TCs to fully feel safe? Even i n 1975, the wounds were fresh and the fear was strong and many TCs chose to move to the north MAINLY because of the fear and insecurity...other reasons existed but it's not like "a little bit of fear, a little bit of greediness, a little bit of force from TMT" as you're trying to suggest. That's all I have to say about the topic.

[metecyp]

When your community builds a Salamina, a Soloi, a St. Hilarion castle, a Buffavento castle, a St. Barnabas monastery, an Apostolos Andreas monastery, a Lapithos

Since when St. Hilarion or Buffavento belonged solely to Greek Cypriots? Yet another refreshing thesis from Kifeas...so I guess Turkey should give back western Anatolia to Greece because it has Ephesous in it and it doesn't belong to Turks??

[Kifeas]

So after 1 year of all the violence, you expected TCs to fully feel safe? Even i n 1975, the wounds were fresh and the fear was strong and many TCs chose to move to the north MAINLY because of the fear and insecurity...other reasons existed but it's not like "a little bit of fear, a little bit of greediness, a little bit of force from TMT" as you're trying to suggest. That's all I have to say about the topic.

Some times I wonder if we really speak the same language metecyp. Did I say that I expected the TCs to feel fully safe in 1975? Find me the line please.

[metecyp]

Ok Kifeas, maybe we should stop talking about this topic because instead of trying to understand what I'm esentially trying to say, you pick one word and talk about it. I give up.

[Kifeas]

Since when St. Hilarion or Buffavento belonged solely to Greek Cypriots? Yet another refreshing thesis from Kifeas...so I guess Turkey should give back western Anatolia to Greece because it has Ephesous in it and it doesn't belong to Turks??

They were Byzantine (Greek Orthodox) castles, built by the hands of the ancestors of the GCs, before the TC community ever made it’s appearance in Cyprus. As you are aware, the TC community appeared as an entity only after the Ottomans conquered Cyprus. Before that only the one Cypriot community existed and it is the ancestors of the GC community of today.

[cannedmoose]

When your community builds a Salamina, a Soloi, a St. Hilarion castle, a Buffavento castle, a St. Barnabas monastery, an Apostolos Andreas monastery, a Lapithos, a kyrenia castle, and all the rest of the ancient monuments that you promote to the tourists but simultaneously hide to them the fact that they are the cultural heritage of the Greek Cypriots, then you will be ethically and morally allowed to call the north, your side. Until then, you cannot claim it to be your side, as it belongs to all Cypriots (in fact much more to the GCs) and we will never recognise to you such a right.

Although I appreciate the sentiments expressed in your post Kifeas, I'm surprised that you claim St. Hilarion, Buffavento and Kyrenia castles as some uniquely GC heritage. If I'm correct, they were established by the Byzantines (i.e. a shared Greco-Turkish heritage) and largely improved and strengthened by the Lusignans, by whom the majority of the structures we see today were built. Thus, you could say that they are visible vestiges of the enslavement of Orthodox Christian Cypriots by their Catholic overlords who forced them to trek up into the mountains to build these forts...

I appreciate that the inhabitants of the island at the time were almost exclusively Greek-speaking, Orthodox Christians, but remember that many of these were the ancestors of todays Turkish Cypriots - not all Turkish Cypriots draw their lineage from mainland Turkey, so they have a stake in this history too.

[Kifeas]

Ok Kifeas, maybe we should stop talking about this topic because instead of trying to understand what I'm esentially trying to say, you pick one word and talk about it. I give up.

I understand what you want to say metecyp. You want to say that the only or the most important reason that TCs moved north in 1975 is because of the oppression and fear of GC attacks. I am say that this was perhaps a reason, at least for some, but not the only reason as there were other equally important reasons like gaining more properties, better houses, etc.