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[metecyp]

THIS IS NOT A LIE. HE TOLD ME HIMSELF!

He did not escape anything. He was not attacked by GC's, he wasn't under threat of anything. THIS IS THE MYTH TC's LIKE TO PROPAGATE!!!! He went north UNDER DURESS. All he wants to do is go back to his land.

I met this man, he invited me into his house and we talked. WHY SHOULD I LIE?

He literally told you that he was perfectly comfortable living in the south and he was forced to move? By whom? If he wasn't under threat, why did he leave?? Turkish soldiers didn't pull these people out of their houses in the south, did they? If he chose to stay, what would happen? He would be punished by Turks in the south??? What was he scared of? Do you have answers to these questions?

I didn't say you're lying. I said it is a lie by someone, you or him. If that's what he told you, then he's the liar. If someone is perfectly happy about their environment, why would he/she leave? It doesn't make sense.

Besides, don't talk about things that you don't know about, OK? How can you know that a TC might not feel threatened by GCs in the south right after 1974? Were you a TC living inside GC majority then? I wasn't born then but at least I can have a better feeling of what my community went through (Oh no, I'm not brainwashed from history books, I talked to or read about many people with real stories). Just think rationally. How could a TC living in the south feel safe when a whole village of TC children and women were killed in the north?? Or after Dohni massacre, how did you expect any TC to feel safe in the south? You talk about things that you don't know and then label us as MYTH creators because you fail to understand our point of view.

[Kifeas]

Metecyp,

Once the Turkish invasion concluded in 1974 and the Attila line was formed upon the ceasefire positions of the two sides, the next step of Turkey’s partition aims was to achieve the transfer of all the Turkish Cypriot population that inhabited the southern part into the north. A number of methods were implemented in order to convince the TCs to migrate into the northern part. The most important one was that of promises and lies. Remember that during those times, prior to 1974, nearly 70% of all the economical resources of Cyprus,(tourism and agricultural resources) were situated in the area that came under Turkish occupation. TCs were promised an abundance of fertile land, the best houses to choose from and on top of that, any financial aid that would be necessary to make the new start. Therefore, having also seen those masses of GCs that were sealed out of their properties and houses in the north and were at that time (1975) still living under the trees and in tents all over the south, it was not that difficult for any TC to be convinced to move into the north. Besides that, they were told that this was part of an agreement to partition Cyprus (obviously a lie) and for this reason they should live their properties and houses in the south for the GC refugees and for them to take GCs properties (obviously better properties on the average) in the north.

Little bit the promises for better land and houses, little bit the lies for an agreement, and little bit the fear of reprehension against them by GC refuges and bingo. What else do you need?

Why are you so surprised if some TCs that had some indeed good properties in the south have now regretted and wish to return? Especially if we take into consideration that not all of them were give equivalent properties in the north and some of them were even left with only papers in their hands because uncle Rauf wanted to satisfy the settlers and his buddies to the maximum. Haven’t all these things happened in the north? Why the surprise?

[garbitsch]

Kifeas, so you are saying that Turkish Cypriots were happy to live under the rule of Greek Cypriots, but they abondoned their homes, left their jobs and everything for the sake of good and beautiful houses? It's pity, if this is your point.

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas you dont sound very convincing and to be honest I think your approach is so basic that even you dont believe it. What sane person would leave their business home livelihood to journey to the north and start again with a promise of land and a future. The main factor was fear the fear for ones life and anger of GCs who for 11 years had been discriminating, persecuting and ethnically cleansing TCs out of Cyprus. FEAR and MISTRUST are the key words you seek.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas, so you are saying that Turkish Cypriots were happy to live under the rule of Greek Cypriots, but they abondoned their homes, left their jobs and everything for the sake of good and beautiful houses? It's pity, if this is your point.

My friend,
I do not know how old you are or whether you have been in Cyprus during those days, but the way you put your question above clearly shows that you are an outsider to the events and the climate of those days in Cyprus.

I suggest you find ordinary TCs and GCs (not politicians etc,) that have memories of those days from both the north and the south, seat down with them and speak.

From the moment you say that “It's pity, if this is your point.” I realise that you are an outsider. Therefore, I find it pointless to open this subject with you now because whatever I say you will contradict and confront it and certainly we will end no were.

[garbitsch]

Kifeas, don't worry I am a good listener. Besides I am a Turkish Cypriot and I depend my arguements on the accounts of my parents and other people that I have spoken with. Just like me, other T.C users do not agree with you too. Besides, I will only contradict you, whenever you say you are right, we are wrong. Now, please stop making assumptions about me and my past, but give a reply to my previous post.

[-mikkie2-]

The amount of bull***t that emanates from the TC quarter does shock me sometimes.

In 1975 when there was the population movement from south to north I remember seeing TC's hugging their GC's neigbours and crying as they were RELUCTANTLY being hearded on the UN trucks and busses to take them north. You seem to think that ALL TC's were politically motivated in their actions. Most people don't give a monkeys about politics. To suggest that ALL TC's moved north because they didn't agree or didn't want political 'domination' by GC's is one of the biggest myths that has been propagated by the TC elite and Turkey. Most ordinary people do not care about politics or politicians. All they want is to live a quiet, peaceful and productive life, not sitting there thinking about politics.

[garbitsch]

The amount of bull***t that emanates from the TC quarter does shock me sometimes.

In 1975 when there was the population movement from south to north I remember seeing TC's hugging their GC's neigbours and crying as they were RELUCTANTLY being hearded on the UN trucks and busses to take them north. You seem to think that ALL TC's were politically motivated in their actions. Most people don't give a monkeys about politics. To suggest that ALL TC's moved north because they didn't agree or didn't want political 'domination' by GC's is one of the biggest myths that has been propagated by the TC elite and Turkey. Most ordinary people do not care about politics or politicians. All they want is to live a quiet, peaceful and productive life, not sitting there thinking about politics.

No intention to piss you off, but still you cannot claim that Turkish Cypriots were happy under the Greek Cypriot rule, and they were forced to leave their homes and everything because of the Turkish Army!

[Kifeas]

No intention to piss you off, but still you cannot claim that Turkish Cypriots were happy under the Greek Cypriot rule, and they were forced to leave their homes and everything because of the Turkish Army!

You see! Even by the terms you use to bring accross your point show that you are an outsider and influenced by the conditioning books that you have read.

TCs were not living under the GC rule my friend. If they were living under any rule, it was the TMT rule that wanted to keep them under it’s control within the enclaves that they formed. From 1967 and onwards they had absolutely no reason not to return to their properties and engage into normal economic activities like the rest of the GCs. They may have been outside (not participating) in the RoCy government (they didn’t mind it anyway because they had formed their shadow TC administration,) but apart from that they were equal citizens like the all the rest of Cypriots. Live the “under the GC rule” philology outside your vocabulary and then maybe we can talk if you like.

And if you read my initial posting more carefully, you will notice that I didn’t exclude the factor of “fear” (real or technically generated,) from the reasons I gave.

[garbitsch]

I said "under GC rule" because there was a defacto domination of RoC by the Greek Cypriots. This was a fact. Since 1967, TCs might have no problem, but obviously they had a problem in 1974, when the EOKA B men killed T.C civilians in four villages. Beside, whoever I spoke with, they all talked about pre-74 G.C yoke. So, should I believe in these people, or some G.Cs in this forum?

Besides you said, "and little bit the fear of reprehension against them by GC refuges". So fear is just a very little reason.