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[garbitsch]

You made a generalisation, by ignoring the T.C immigrants. I am not insane, thanks God, but yes you are! I call insane to the people who destroy Turkish Cypriot houses, but on the other hand call Turkish Cypriots "thieves" just because they live in former Greek Cypriot property.

[cannedmoose]

You are a completely irrational person as can be clearly seen in my post dd 17/4/05. I am specialised in treating Insanes like you.

And I think many others are steadily reaching the conclusion that you are simply an ill-mannered and intolerant individual MicAtCyp. The condescending tone you adopt to anyone who disagrees with your rather slanted point of view is almost unbelievable at times. I'd suggest that you chill out a bit, we're all on here because we want to discuss issues, you don't have to pick a fight with people who don't share your opinions, that's something you should have learned at kindergarten man.

I know this will make no difference to your stance, but I just wanted to say how disappointing it is to see an obviously intelligent person like yourself behaving in such a manner. It demeans you, it really does.

[-mikkie2-]

Moose,

I wouldn't confuse MicAtCyps combative tone with him being a person with a slanted point of view. Read his posts CAREFULLY! He may be condesending at times but quite frankly some people deserve it.

Sure enough, there are many TC's that look upon themselves as guardians of what they were given. I'm sure MicAtCyp knows this. But many have also profitted and many foreigners are profitting too at the expense of all of us.

When i visited Morphou I did get a different impression. One TC invited me into the house he was living in. We sat and talked and contrary to what most TC's will tell you, he wants to go back to Paphos! He wants his land back. He went to the land registry in the south and they confirmed to him that the land and property was still his. (would a GC refugee be told the same if they asked the 'authorities' in the north?) He was quite prepared to wait for a solution so that he could go back because HE FELT A VICTIM OF 74 (not by GC's but a victim of the Turkish invasion). It is a myth propagated by many in the north that no TC's would want to go and live in the south again. I'm sure plenty would. I suspect that most TC's though would be happy to keep what they have got because it is worth MUCH more than what they left behind. It cannot be right to have people profitting from other peoples misfortune.

The solution in Cyprus should not be based on a land grab under the guise of 'political equality'. I have stated many times before that political equality is achievable without having to compromise basic human rights.

[magikthrill]

I'm not sure if it was discussed yet (so many threads pop up!) but here is an update on the Orams:

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=40499

My favorite part:

Lawyers for Linda and David Orams had argued that the property was bought in good faith

Yes and when I shoplift that is also done in good faith.

On a sidenote,
what court requested their house be demolished exactly?

[metecyp]

He was quite prepared to wait for a solution so that he could go back because HE FELT A VICTIM OF 74 (not by GC's but a victim of the Turkish invasion).

He felt victim of the Turkish invasion, what a lie! That's why he packed his stuff and escaped to the north to Turks!?! He felt victim of the violence in 1974 and he didn't feel safe in the south among GCs after seeing what happenned to TCs in Atlilar, Murataga, Sandallar and Dohni. Got it?

[cannedmoose]

Oram update from CNA today...

Local Court orders British couple to demolish house in occupied Cyprus
CNA - Nicosia-Cyprus - 20/4/2005 09:48

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Local Court orders British couple to demolish house in occupied Cyprus

Nicosia, Apr 20 (CNA) -- Nicosia District Court has upheld a previous decision that ordered a British couple, living in Turkish occupied Cyprus, to demolish the luxurious villa they had built illegally on land, owned by a Greek Cypriot refugee.

''The Court, having heard at two separate hearings the positions of the two sides, decided to reject the claim by the British couple to annul its previous decision,'' Constantinos Kantounas, lawyer of the Greek Cypriot refugee, has told CNA.

In November last year the Court ordered Linda and David Orams to demolish the house and pay compensation to Greek Cypriot Meletis Apostolides. The Court ruling was not enforced because of the Orams' appeal against it.

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Not sure if this changes anything since de facto jurisdiction doesn't exist, I'll leave the implications to any legal brains out there.

[-mikkie2-]

He felt victim of the Turkish invasion, what a lie! That's why he packed his stuff and escaped to the north to Turks!?! He felt victim of the violence in 1974 and he didn't feel safe in the south among GCs after seeing what happenned to TCs in Atlilar, Murataga, Sandallar and Dohni. Got it?

THIS IS NOT A LIE. HE TOLD ME HIMSELF!

He did not escape anything. He was not attacked by GC's, he wasn't under threat of anything. THIS IS THE MYTH TC's LIKE TO PROPAGATE!!!! He went north UNDER DURESS. All he wants to do is go back to his land.

I met this man, he invited me into his house and we talked. WHY SHOULD I LIE?

[cannedmoose]

Yes and when I shoplift that is also done in good faith.

Is that a confession Thrill? I'll email your pic to the stores on Rodeo Drive

[Viewpoint]

-mikkie2-

He did not escape anything. He was not attacked by GC's, he wasn't under threat of anything. THIS IS THE MYTH TC's LIKE TO PROPAGATE!!!! He went north UNDER DURESS. All he wants to do is go back to his land.

What a load of rubbish, why didnt he stay put and not leave his land, if he felt comfortable and unthreatened by GCs he could have stayed in place and protected his land and lived there for the last 31 years. Why doesnt he go back now, the south is in the EU he can live with you guys under your laws and ho so democratic and safe"RoC" with all his rights in tact?.

[garbitsch]

I totally agree with you VP. Turkey had "occupied" the northern part of Cyprus not the southern part. How comes was he affected by the "invasion" in South?? Did the army force him to abandon his property in south and made him move to north? How could this be possible? And yes, he can now go and claim his property and live there peacefully. But Bananiot once said the T.Cs cannot reclaim their properties in South so easily. Besides, one person's "different view" does not change the facts.