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Turkish Cypriot bill permits sale of Greek Cypriot property

Postby halil » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:20 pm

parliamentary commission in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC) began discussions this week on a bill that would allow Greek Cypriot property owners to sell their property in the KKTC to the current residents.
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Turkish Cypriot bill permits sale of Greek Cypriot property to residents
A parliamentary commission in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC) began discussions this week on a bill that would allow Greek Cypriot property owners to sell their property in the KKTC to the current residents.

The bill is another step by KKTC officials to resolve the property disputes that complicate settlement efforts in Cyprus, divided between a Greek Cypriot south and a Turkish Cypriot north. In 2006 KKTC authorities announced the formation of a special committee to handle property complaints from Greek Cypriots and provide, when deemed necessary, compensation for the property they had to abandon in the Turkish north following Turkey's intervention in the island in 1974.
The new bill, if enacted in parliament, will provide a further remedy to property complaints from Greek Cypriots. It allows sale of the property to current users by former Greek Cypriot owners provided that the users have been in possession of the property for at least three years. The KKTC parliament's Legal and Political Affairs Commission began discussing the bill on Wednesday, the Anatolia news agency reported, but it was not clear when it will be brought to the parliament floor for a vote.

Property disputes constitute one of the most complicated aspects of the decades-old Cyprus problem. Cyprus' continuing division is an obstacle for Turkey's efforts to join the European Union.



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Postby shahmaran » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:58 pm

So what will they find to cry about next, one cant help but wonder :roll:
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:17 pm

The deprivation of the property for 34 years to start. You got to read the European Charter of human rights and refer to some of the case law of the ECHR about free and unfettered enjoyment of property.

Modern legal systems recognise the unique nature of real property and therefore in real property cases they often give remedies for restitution in rem, that is in the return of the specific property and not for damages.

Are you going to condemn these systems as incorigible complainers too Shah?

This Turkish insistence on holding on to other peoples' property is peculiar. Where does it come from?
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Postby pantheman » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:19 pm

shahmaran wrote:So what will they find to cry about next, one cant help but wonder :roll:


Shah, you are a crack pot, I read this article today and I have to say, well fuck me, any back door will do now huh?

The commission has failed so now we will buy the poor suckers. Anything to get your claws in deeper and you say you want a solution? Yeah right now you are taking the piss.

Such hypocrisy is amazing and you guys still have the cheek to stand there saying we don't want re-unification.

Yeah, go ahead, add more complecations, anything to stop a solution as long as you have your own way the GC can just die and disappear.

Well, I have news for you buster, this one GC here is going no where, I will keep on sticking it to you until you see some sense.

Cheeky bastards
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:23 pm

Ability to sell one's property does not amount to restitution or compensation for the damage of not having access and enjoyment of it for 34 years. The above refers only to the ability to sell the property. There is no reference to people who simply want their property back and to have unfettered access and enjoyment of it.

There is also the other problem. The situation where GCs are "free" to basically divest themselves of their land in the north while TCs remain owners of their land in the south. Another instance of the motto "masters of the north partners in the south" which was the story all along.

In case anyone asks, the RoC is not free to implement a similar plan for TC properties in the south because that would be a violation of TC human rights as it limits their enjoyment of property. And that is another instance of double standards, but we got used to that.

Note- the word enjoyment in legal talk means more than having a party on your land.
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Re: Turkish Cypriot bill permits sale of Greek Cypriot prope

Postby Kikapu » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:28 pm

halil wrote:parliamentary commission in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC) began discussions this week on a bill that would allow Greek Cypriot property owners to sell their property in the KKTC to the current residents.
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Turkish Cypriot bill permits sale of Greek Cypriot property to residents
A parliamentary commission in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC) began discussions this week on a bill that would allow Greek Cypriot property owners to sell their property in the KKTC to the current residents.

The bill is another step by KKTC officials to resolve the property disputes that complicate settlement efforts in Cyprus, divided between a Greek Cypriot south and a Turkish Cypriot north. In 2006 KKTC authorities announced the formation of a special committee to handle property complaints from Greek Cypriots and provide, when deemed necessary, compensation for the property they had to abandon in the Turkish north following Turkey's intervention in the island in 1974.
The new bill, if enacted in parliament, will provide a further remedy to property complaints from Greek Cypriots. It allows sale of the property to current users by former Greek Cypriot owners provided that the users have been in possession of the property for at least three years. The KKTC parliament's Legal and Political Affairs Commission began discussing the bill on Wednesday, the Anatolia news agency reported, but it was not clear when it will be brought to the parliament floor for a vote.

Property disputes constitute one of the most complicated aspects of the decades-old Cyprus problem. Cyprus' continuing division is an obstacle for Turkey's efforts to join the European Union.




So, let me get this straight. Anyone who has been living on a GC land or property will have the option to buy the GC out, if the GC owner is willing to sell. So far so good.

So, if someone built a home on a donum of GC land that they bought for dirt cheap prices, will now have to pay today's going rate for that land, which may be in the thousands. I can't wait to see the expression on the faces of all the foreigners when this happens. So, what is to stop these people of not wanting to buy out the original GC owner and just ignore them and continue living on the GC land that they bought for dirt cheap.??

So we are back to the "property commission board" that has proven to be unworkable.

It allows sale of the property to current users by former Greek Cypriot owners provided that the users have been in possession of the property for at least three years.


Well here is the catch, it seems. To avoid having to buy out any GC from their property, all one has to do, is to turn over the property once every 2 years and 364 days.!! This is not about solving anything that has to do with GC properties but more like generating cash for the "TRNC" through money collected on selling and buying properties in the North. This may well be, because the property market in the North is drying up, so the present properties needs to be "regurgitated" to bring much needed funds to the "TRNC". This is not about helping the GC's, but rather trying to rip off all the "property owners" who are now occupying GC properties, which most happens to be TC's and the settlers, as well as some foreigners. This has to be an idea given birth to by the real estate agents to keep themselves in business who may have convinced the politicians on how much money this will generate for the "state" through taxes and fees.

Very clever indeed.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:31 pm

Nikitas wrote:Ability to sell one's property does not amount to restitution or compensation for the damage of not having access and enjoyment of it for 34 years. The above refers only to the ability to sell the property. There is no reference to people who simply want their property back and to have unfettered access and enjoyment of it.

There is also the other problem. The situation where GCs are "free" to basically divest themselves of their land in the north while TCs remain owners of their land in the south. Another instance of the motto "masters of the north partners in the south" which was the story all along.

In case anyone asks, the RoC is not free to implement a similar plan for TC properties in the south because that would be a violation of TC human rights as it limits their enjoyment of property. And that is another instance of double standards, but we got used to that.

Note- the word enjoyment in legal talk means more than having a party on your land.


Can TCs get there property back today? or do they have to wait and reside in the south 6 months to have the right to apply to GCs courts? You are throwing stones but living in a glass house.
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:36 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Ability to sell one's property does not amount to restitution or compensation for the damage of not having access and enjoyment of it for 34 years. The above refers only to the ability to sell the property. There is no reference to people who simply want their property back and to have unfettered access and enjoyment of it.

There is also the other problem. The situation where GCs are "free" to basically divest themselves of their land in the north while TCs remain owners of their land in the south. Another instance of the motto "masters of the north partners in the south" which was the story all along.

In case anyone asks, the RoC is not free to implement a similar plan for TC properties in the south because that would be a violation of TC human rights as it limits their enjoyment of property. And that is another instance of double standards, but we got used to that.

Note- the word enjoyment in legal talk means more than having a party on your land.


Can TCs get there property back today? or do they have to wait and reside in the south 6 months to have the right to apply to GCs courts? You are throwing stones but living in a glass house.


"NO DOUBLE DIPPING ALLOWED"
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:43 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Ability to sell one's property does not amount to restitution or compensation for the damage of not having access and enjoyment of it for 34 years. The above refers only to the ability to sell the property. There is no reference to people who simply want their property back and to have unfettered access and enjoyment of it.

There is also the other problem. The situation where GCs are "free" to basically divest themselves of their land in the north while TCs remain owners of their land in the south. Another instance of the motto "masters of the north partners in the south" which was the story all along.

In case anyone asks, the RoC is not free to implement a similar plan for TC properties in the south because that would be a violation of TC human rights as it limits their enjoyment of property. And that is another instance of double standards, but we got used to that.

Note- the word enjoyment in legal talk means more than having a party on your land.


Can TCs get there property back today? or do they have to wait and reside in the south 6 months to have the right to apply to GCs courts? You are throwing stones but living in a glass house.


"NO DOUBLE DIPPING ALLOWED"


How can that be the case when the "RoC" does not recognize anything the TRNC does? or does not want to work with our institutions to stop double dipping?
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Postby shahmaran » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:49 pm

pantheman wrote:
shahmaran wrote:So what will they find to cry about next, one cant help but wonder :roll:


Shah, you are a crack pot, I read this article today and I have to say, well fuck me, any back door will do now huh?

The commission has failed so now we will buy the poor suckers. Anything to get your claws in deeper and you say you want a solution? Yeah right now you are taking the piss.

Such hypocrisy is amazing and you guys still have the cheek to stand there saying we don't want re-unification.

Yeah, go ahead, add more complecations, anything to stop a solution as long as you have your own way the GC can just die and disappear.

Well, I have news for you buster, this one GC here is going no where, I will keep on sticking it to you until you see some sense.

Cheeky bastards


Don't be so dramatic Pansyman, why would i ever want a bright little soul like you to "die and disappear", you can come live side by side with me i do not care a bit, just keep your Greesy fingers out of my life and all will be sweet and dandy ;)
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