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[Jerry]

This is crazy! Do you honestly think that the TC who "bought" our house near Bogazi for £150,000 a few years ago is going to pay us the same amount again PLUS the increase in value - say £250,000 in total. Where will he find the money and who in their right mind would pay £400,000 for a £250,000 house. I think the "TRNC" officials who thought this one up should go back to school to improve their arithmetic.

[Kikapu]

Ability to sell one's property does not amount to restitution or compensation for the damage of not having access and enjoyment of it for 34 years. The above refers only to the ability to sell the property. There is no reference to people who simply want their property back and to have unfettered access and enjoyment of it.

There is also the other problem. The situation where GCs are "free" to basically divest themselves of their land in the north while TCs remain owners of their land in the south. Another instance of the motto "masters of the north partners in the south" which was the story all along.

In case anyone asks, the RoC is not free to implement a similar plan for TC properties in the south because that would be a violation of TC human rights as it limits their enjoyment of property. And that is another instance of double standards, but we got used to that.

Note- the word enjoyment in legal talk means more than having a party on your land.

Can TCs get there property back today? or do they have to wait and reside in the south 6 months to have the right to apply to GCs courts? You are throwing stones but living in a glass house.

"NO DOUBLE DIPPING ALLOWED"

How can that be the case when the "RoC" does not recognize anything the TRNC does? or does not want to work with our institutions to stop double dipping?

VP, think about it. If the TC's were able to get their properties in the South, or even sell them for a good price, they will be able to take the money out of their properties in the South, while continue living in the properties that belong to the GC's in the North, or even sell those also and move to another country. If all the TC's did this, where is the incentive to look for a solution. It will be more like, "I got mine back and I still got yours". With all the GC properties being bought and sold in the North now is totally meaningless, because at the end of the day, when there is a settlement, every GC owner of their property will be recognised and they will themselves decide on whether to keep it, sell it, or rent it out, even if they have no desires to ever move back to their properties, and the same will be the case with the TC's and their properties in the South, which to my thinking, large majority will not want to move back, and that is just one more reason, as to why I think a True Federation is best all around. The TC's will be in the North and the GC's in the South, and few from each side living in each others back yard in a country called CYPRUS.

Kikapu,
İt was on the Turkish and Greek Cypriots papers other day . That their selling Turkish Cypriots properties in Limassol. Only i can remmember the Turkish called name for the village .İt is called BEŞEVLER. something starts with five in Greek.

Halil,

For a person who works for news station and posts endless amounts of pointless articles for us to read, you could have gotten little bit more information for us to read regarding on selling of TC properties in the South. So, come on Halil, get the information before the afternoon press time ....

Kikapu how about this one .By the way Village name was Pentakomou.

Police investigate land fraud
By Nigel Howarth on Feb 8, 2008 in Cyprus property news

LIMASSOL police have launched a second investigation into a 50-year-old man awaiting trial on charges of fraud, after a 63-year-old pensioner reported he had been swindled out of €5.5 million by the same Limassol contractor.

When Louis Sideras, a repatriated British Cypriot, heard that Andreas Sophocleous was awaiting trial on charges of obtaining money under false pretences, he informed police that he too was a victim of alleged fraud. He accused the 50-year-old of scamming him out of €5.5m.

According to Sideras, the 50-year-old acted as a go-between for Turkish Cypriots living in Australia, Canada and the Netherlands, offering to sell him plots of their land in the Limassol district between June and September of last year.

The pensioner claimed that Sophocleous had presented him with fake documents showing he had power of attorney and title deeds for Turkish Cypriot properties in Polemidia, Zygi, Paramythas, Mesa Yitonias, Pentakomou and Mari with the intention of selling them to him.

Sideras gave over five million euros for the properties, only to find that some of them did not exist. He was alerted to the alleged scam after hearing that Sophocleous was currently in Nicosia Central Prisons, awaiting trial for the charge of obtaining money under false pretences.

According to state broadcaster, CyBC, Sophocleous was arrested last month along with two relatives after a Land Registry official charged him with fraudulently extracting from him over €200,000 for the purchase of Turkish Cypriot properties. His trial date is set for February 22.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008

Halil,

What about that one Halil. It just goes to show, that illegal and fraudulent Turkish Cypriot land dealings in the South is illegal and offenders are sent to trial and hopefully to prison. What happens in the "TRNC", is with the blessing of the "government" in selling GC properties illegally.

So which side do you think is more honourable than the other.??

Don't worry Halil, that was a rhetorical question.!!

[Kikapu]

Wow, talk about shooting the messenger

Just having fun with Halil Shas, that's all.

İt shows how you are and also show how you are looking one sided for everything.

Halil,

You wanted to present the above story as the norm. Well, it is not and when ever TC land is involved in the South, it is from fraudulent means and not sponsored by the government, unless of course the TC owner themselves are selling their property to others...legally.. In fact, it is the government that goes after these people and prosecute them. Do the people in the "TRNC" get prosecuted for dealing in GC land, or are they in fact encouraged by the "TRNC". There is no one sided about this. There is only what is right and what is wrong. I'll let you try and figure out which one is which. I'm sure you will not tell us when you figure it out.

[halil]

Wow, talk about shooting the messenger

Just having fun with Halil Shas, that's all.

İt shows how you are and also show how you are looking one sided for everything.

Halil,

You wanted to present the above story as the norm. Well, it is not and when ever TC land is involved in the South, it is from fraudulent means and not sponsored by the government, unless of course the TC owner themselves are selling their property to others...legally.. In fact, it is the government that goes after these people and prosecute them. Do the people in the "TRNC" get prosecuted for dealing in GC land, or are they in fact encouraged by the "TRNC". There is no one sided about this. There is only what is right and what is wrong. I'll let you try and figure out which one is which. I'm sure you will not tell us when you figure it out.

Kikapu,
i am not trying show u that it was normal . also TC's lands are hands of the crooks . some how they have to find ways how to stop or cover people lost in one way . also many times i asked in this forum what happened to TC's houses and lands that they have left at 63 and 64 . who were using them . what will happen to their properties . who are the occupier of those lands . you have seen on this forum the name of the villages that TC's left at 63's.
Both side aims were different Kikapu ,
TRNC side gave deeds to people if it is legal or not is different argument . this people (TRNC side) have to keep life going on . No one is regreting that these properties weren't them. (kimse bu malların kendilerne ait olduğunu iddia etmiyor) These kind of the arguments will be end up only with solution agreements between two sides. That's why they were trying to find ways in all kind of the UN's plans and ideas.

[repulsewarrior]

...well if the land was sold through the Land Registry of the Republic, we would clearly see at least cooperation between the Sovereign State and an Authority which is its equal, at least in its enforcment. It would allow for the resolution of many cases, making some "Greeks" very rich from the land they sell where stands a hotel today, it may induce larger investments with the opportunity to buy this land in a secure manner. Much depends on the new President, and the willingness of Talat to build confidence with such recognition.

[repulsewarrior]

...as it is, as a piece of legislation, it is flawed. for this Authority to pass this matter it must recognise the existence of a figure which its Constitution ignores. Therefore, it is a recognition of the Republic of Cyprus and its Sovereignty over the land, the landowner whose registry of It rests with this State, or it is a bondoogle because it will settle nothing, adding another layer of uncertainty, for some who will face buying (and selling) where the title is not clear.