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[Kikapu]

Ability to sell one's property does not amount to restitution or compensation for the damage of not having access and enjoyment of it for 34 years. The above refers only to the ability to sell the property. There is no reference to people who simply want their property back and to have unfettered access and enjoyment of it.

There is also the other problem. The situation where GCs are "free" to basically divest themselves of their land in the north while TCs remain owners of their land in the south. Another instance of the motto "masters of the north partners in the south" which was the story all along.

In case anyone asks, the RoC is not free to implement a similar plan for TC properties in the south because that would be a violation of TC human rights as it limits their enjoyment of property. And that is another instance of double standards, but we got used to that.

Note- the word enjoyment in legal talk means more than having a party on your land.

Can TCs get there property back today? or do they have to wait and reside in the south 6 months to have the right to apply to GCs courts? You are throwing stones but living in a glass house.

"NO DOUBLE DIPPING ALLOWED"

How can that be the case when the "RoC" does not recognize anything the TRNC does? or does not want to work with our institutions to stop double dipping?

VP, think about it. If the TC's were able to get their properties in the South, or even sell them for a good price, they will be able to take the money out of their properties in the South, while continue living in the properties that belong to the GC's in the North, or even sell those also and move to another country. If all the TC's did this, where is the incentive to look for a solution. It will be more like, "I got mine back and I still got yours". With all the GC properties being bought and sold in the North now is totally meaningless, because at the end of the day, when there is a settlement, every GC owner of their property will be recognised and they will themselves decide on whether to keep it, sell it, or rent it out, even if they have no desires to ever move back to their properties, and the same will be the case with the TC's and their properties in the South, which to my thinking, large majority will not want to move back, and that is just one more reason, as to why I think a True Federation is best all around. The TC's will be in the North and the GC's in the South, and few from each side living in each others back yard in a country called CYPRUS.

[halil]

Ability to sell one's property does not amount to restitution or compensation for the damage of not having access and enjoyment of it for 34 years. The above refers only to the ability to sell the property. There is no reference to people who simply want their property back and to have unfettered access and enjoyment of it.

There is also the other problem. The situation where GCs are "free" to basically divest themselves of their land in the north while TCs remain owners of their land in the south. Another instance of the motto "masters of the north partners in the south" which was the story all along.

In case anyone asks, the RoC is not free to implement a similar plan for TC properties in the south because that would be a violation of TC human rights as it limits their enjoyment of property. And that is another instance of double standards, but we got used to that.

Note- the word enjoyment in legal talk means more than having a party on your land.

Can TCs get there property back today? or do they have to wait and reside in the south 6 months to have the right to apply to GCs courts? You are throwing stones but living in a glass house.

"NO DOUBLE DIPPING ALLOWED"

How can that be the case when the "RoC" does not recognize anything the TRNC does? or does not want to work with our institutions to stop double dipping?

VP, think about it. If the TC's were able to get their properties in the South, or even sell them for a good price, they will be able to take the money out of their properties in the South, while continue living in the properties that belong to the GC's in the North, or even sell those also and move to another country. If all the TC's did this, where is the incentive to look for a solution. It will be more like, "I got mine back and I still got yours". With all the GC properties being bought and sold in the North now is totally meaningless, because at the end of the day, when there is a settlement, every GC owner of their property will be recognised and they will themselves decide on whether to keep it, sell it, or rent it out, even if they have no desires to ever move back to their properties, and the same will be the case with the TC's and their properties in the South, which to my thinking, large majority will not want to move back, and that is just one more reason, as to why I think a True Federation is best all around. The TC's will be in the North and the GC's in the South, and few from each side living in each others back yard in a country called CYPRUS.

Kikapu,
İt was on the Turkish and Greek Cypriots papers other day . That their selling Turkish Cypriots properties in Limassol. Only i can remmember the Turkish called name for the village .İt is called BEŞEVLER. something starts with five in Greek.

[halil]

Ability to sell one's property does not amount to restitution or compensation for the damage of not having access and enjoyment of it for 34 years. The above refers only to the ability to sell the property. There is no reference to people who simply want their property back and to have unfettered access and enjoyment of it.

There is also the other problem. The situation where GCs are "free" to basically divest themselves of their land in the north while TCs remain owners of their land in the south. Another instance of the motto "masters of the north partners in the south" which was the story all along.

In case anyone asks, the RoC is not free to implement a similar plan for TC properties in the south because that would be a violation of TC human rights as it limits their enjoyment of property. And that is another instance of double standards, but we got used to that.

Note- the word enjoyment in legal talk means more than having a party on your land.

Can TCs get there property back today? or do they have to wait and reside in the south 6 months to have the right to apply to GCs courts? You are throwing stones but living in a glass house.

"NO DOUBLE DIPPING ALLOWED"

How can that be the case when the "RoC" does not recognize anything the TRNC does? or does not want to work with our institutions to stop double dipping?

VP, think about it. If the TC's were able to get their properties in the South, or even sell them for a good price, they will be able to take the money out of their properties in the South, while continue living in the properties that belong to the GC's in the North, or even sell those also and move to another country. If all the TC's did this, where is the incentive to look for a solution. It will be more like, "I got mine back and I still got yours". With all the GC properties being bought and sold in the North now is totally meaningless, because at the end of the day, when there is a settlement, every GC owner of their property will be recognised and they will themselves decide on whether to keep it, sell it, or rent it out, even if they have no desires to ever move back to their properties, and the same will be the case with the TC's and their properties in the South, which to my thinking, large majority will not want to move back, and that is just one more reason, as to why I think a True Federation is best all around. The TC's will be in the North and the GC's in the South, and few from each side living in each others back yard in a country called CYPRUS.

Kikapu,
İt was on the Turkish and Greek Cypriots papers other day . That their selling Turkish Cypriots properties in Limassol. Only i can remmember the Turkish called name for the village .İt is called BEŞEVLER. something starts with five in Greek.

Kikapu,
here is the news for u. This news is translated from ALİTHİA news paper.
http://www.yeniduzengazetesi.com/index. ... e/Haberler

Güney’deki Türk mülkleri Rum yetkililerin gözdesi

Bir Rum bakanın da aralarında bulunduğu Rum devlet memurları ve siyasilerin, Güney’de kalan Kıbrıs Türk mülklerini usulsüz şekilde satın aldıkları ve zengin oldukları bildirildi. ALİTHİA, “Devlet Memurları Usulsüz Şekilde Kıbrıs Türk Mülkü Satın Alıyor – Konumlarını Kullanarak Zengin Oluyorlar” başlıklı haberinde, Güney’de kalan Türk mülklerinin Rum devlet memurlarını ve siyasilerini “bozduğunu” yazdı.

Gazete, Rum devlet memurlarının ve siyasilerin, kendilerinin ve yandaşlarının çıkarına hizmet ederek “millî davada ciddi sorunlar yarattıkları” yorumunu yaptığı haberinde, Kıbrıslı Türklerin elinde bulunan çok büyük miktardaki arazinin son yıllarda Rumların eline geçtiğini ve böylece, ileri sürdükleri “toplamda 450 bin dönüm” olan Kıbrıs Türk mülklerinin azaldığını yazdı, özetle şunları kaydetti: “Konumlarını güçlerini ve Kıbrıslı Türklerin ihtiyaçlarını istismar eden devlet yetkililerinin arasında eski bir bakan ve milletvekilleri de var. Usulsüz şekilde Kıbrıs Türk mülkü satın alarak mülklerini çoğalttılar. Paha biçilemeyen Kıbrıs Türk mülklerini nasıl satın aldılar? Kıbrıs Türk mülkü satışına, ancak mülk sahibi 1974’ten önce yurtdışına göçmüş ise izin verildiği biliniyor.

[Kikapu]

Ability to sell one's property does not amount to restitution or compensation for the damage of not having access and enjoyment of it for 34 years. The above refers only to the ability to sell the property. There is no reference to people who simply want their property back and to have unfettered access and enjoyment of it.

There is also the other problem. The situation where GCs are "free" to basically divest themselves of their land in the north while TCs remain owners of their land in the south. Another instance of the motto "masters of the north partners in the south" which was the story all along.

In case anyone asks, the RoC is not free to implement a similar plan for TC properties in the south because that would be a violation of TC human rights as it limits their enjoyment of property. And that is another instance of double standards, but we got used to that.

Note- the word enjoyment in legal talk means more than having a party on your land.

Can TCs get there property back today? or do they have to wait and reside in the south 6 months to have the right to apply to GCs courts? You are throwing stones but living in a glass house.

"NO DOUBLE DIPPING ALLOWED"

How can that be the case when the "RoC" does not recognize anything the TRNC does? or does not want to work with our institutions to stop double dipping?

VP, think about it. If the TC's were able to get their properties in the South, or even sell them for a good price, they will be able to take the money out of their properties in the South, while continue living in the properties that belong to the GC's in the North, or even sell those also and move to another country. If all the TC's did this, where is the incentive to look for a solution. It will be more like, "I got mine back and I still got yours". With all the GC properties being bought and sold in the North now is totally meaningless, because at the end of the day, when there is a settlement, every GC owner of their property will be recognised and they will themselves decide on whether to keep it, sell it, or rent it out, even if they have no desires to ever move back to their properties, and the same will be the case with the TC's and their properties in the South, which to my thinking, large majority will not want to move back, and that is just one more reason, as to why I think a True Federation is best all around. The TC's will be in the North and the GC's in the South, and few from each side living in each others back yard in a country called CYPRUS.

Kikapu,
İt was on the Turkish and Greek Cypriots papers other day . That their selling Turkish Cypriots properties in Limassol. Only i can remmember the Turkish called name for the village .İt is called BEŞEVLER. something starts with five in Greek.

Halil,

For a person who works for news station and posts endless amounts of pointless articles for us to read, you could have gotten little bit more information for us to read regarding on selling of TC properties in the South. So, come on Halil, get the information before the afternoon press time ....

[shahmaran]

Wow, talk about shooting the messenger

[Kikapu]

Ability to sell one's property does not amount to restitution or compensation for the damage of not having access and enjoyment of it for 34 years. The above refers only to the ability to sell the property. There is no reference to people who simply want their property back and to have unfettered access and enjoyment of it.

There is also the other problem. The situation where GCs are "free" to basically divest themselves of their land in the north while TCs remain owners of their land in the south. Another instance of the motto "masters of the north partners in the south" which was the story all along.

In case anyone asks, the RoC is not free to implement a similar plan for TC properties in the south because that would be a violation of TC human rights as it limits their enjoyment of property. And that is another instance of double standards, but we got used to that.

Note- the word enjoyment in legal talk means more than having a party on your land.

Can TCs get there property back today? or do they have to wait and reside in the south 6 months to have the right to apply to GCs courts? You are throwing stones but living in a glass house.

"NO DOUBLE DIPPING ALLOWED"

How can that be the case when the "RoC" does not recognize anything the TRNC does? or does not want to work with our institutions to stop double dipping?

VP, think about it. If the TC's were able to get their properties in the South, or even sell them for a good price, they will be able to take the money out of their properties in the South, while continue living in the properties that belong to the GC's in the North, or even sell those also and move to another country. If all the TC's did this, where is the incentive to look for a solution. It will be more like, "I got mine back and I still got yours". With all the GC properties being bought and sold in the North now is totally meaningless, because at the end of the day, when there is a settlement, every GC owner of their property will be recognised and they will themselves decide on whether to keep it, sell it, or rent it out, even if they have no desires to ever move back to their properties, and the same will be the case with the TC's and their properties in the South, which to my thinking, large majority will not want to move back, and that is just one more reason, as to why I think a True Federation is best all around. The TC's will be in the North and the GC's in the South, and few from each side living in each others back yard in a country called CYPRUS.

Kikapu,
İt was on the Turkish and Greek Cypriots papers other day . That their selling Turkish Cypriots properties in Limassol. Only i can remmember the Turkish called name for the village .İt is called BEŞEVLER. something starts with five in Greek.

Kikapu,
here is the news for u. This news is translated from ALİTHİA news paper.
http://www.yeniduzengazetesi.com/index. ... e/Haberler

Güney’deki Türk mülkleri Rum yetkililerin gözdesi

Bir Rum bakanın da aralarında bulunduğu Rum devlet memurları ve siyasilerin, Güney’de kalan Kıbrıs Türk mülklerini usulsüz şekilde satın aldıkları ve zengin oldukları bildirildi. ALİTHİA, “Devlet Memurları Usulsüz Şekilde Kıbrıs Türk Mülkü Satın Alıyor – Konumlarını Kullanarak Zengin Oluyorlar” başlıklı haberinde, Güney’de kalan Türk mülklerinin Rum devlet memurlarını ve siyasilerini “bozduğunu” yazdı.

Gazete, Rum devlet memurlarının ve siyasilerin, kendilerinin ve yandaşlarının çıkarına hizmet ederek “millî davada ciddi sorunlar yarattıkları” yorumunu yaptığı haberinde, Kıbrıslı Türklerin elinde bulunan çok büyük miktardaki arazinin son yıllarda Rumların eline geçtiğini ve böylece, ileri sürdükleri “toplamda 450 bin dönüm” olan Kıbrıs Türk mülklerinin azaldığını yazdı, özetle şunları kaydetti: “Konumlarını güçlerini ve Kıbrıslı Türklerin ihtiyaçlarını istismar eden devlet yetkililerinin arasında eski bir bakan ve milletvekilleri de var. Usulsüz şekilde Kıbrıs Türk mülkü satın alarak mülklerini çoğalttılar. Paha biçilemeyen Kıbrıs Türk mülklerini nasıl satın aldılar? Kıbrıs Türk mülkü satışına, ancak mülk sahibi 1974’ten önce yurtdışına göçmüş ise izin verildiği biliniyor.

Thanks Halil,

I'll wait for a second source to confirm this report.

[Kikapu]

Wow, talk about shooting the messenger

Just having fun with Halil Shas, that's all.

[halil]

Wow, talk about shooting the messenger

Just having fun with Halil Shas, that's all.

İt shows how you are and also show how you are looking one sided for everything.

[halil]

North ready to offer direct property sales
By Simon Bahceli

Easier process for Greek Cypriots to sell directly to Turkish Cypriots

THE Turkish Cypriot side plans to expand the powers of the controversial property commission to allow Greek Cypriots to sell their properties directly to Turkish Cypriots.

Until now the commission has been working on the basis of “exchange, compensation or return” when it comes to considering applications from Greek Cypriots.

The new move is designed to make it easier for Greek Cypriots who would be able to sell their properties to Turkish Cypriots, sources at the north’s Immovable Properties Commission said yesterday.

Speaking to the Cyprus Mail, a source within the Commission said the change in the law would mean that Greek Cypriots who own property in the north will be able to apply, along with a potential Turkish Cypriot buyer, to the Commission in order that a sale recognised by the north’s authorities can take place.

“The difference between this law and laws we have already put in place is that instead of the authorities paying the Greek Cypriot for his land, as happens in compensation cases, the Turkish Cypriot who wishes to use the land will pay the Greek Cypriot,” the source said, adding that cases covered by the new law will need the agreement of both the Turkish Cypriot buyer and the Greek Cypriot seller.

Although still under development, it appears there has already been agreement within the Turkish Cypriot ‘parliamentary legal and political affairs committee’ that the law will require that those Turkish Cypriots applying must have invested in the land for a minimum of three years prior to the application.

“Those who live on or who have invested on Greek Cypriot land will be able to apply, but we also hope to broaden it so that those who want to buy unused land adjacent to the land they already use can also apply,” the source said.

The move appears likely to further anger the Cyprus government which discourages Greek Cypriots from approaching the commission to ask for reinstatement of their property rights in the north. Despite this, around 310 Greek Cypriot acting under their own initiative have so far applied, asking for either the right to return to, sell or exchange the properties they were forced out of during the 1974 Turkish invasion. Since the commission came into existence in March 2006, over 30 cases have been resolved, the vast majority through financial compensation. Only two Greek Cypriots have actually chosen to move back to the north to live.

If the plan is implemented, it will mean that some Turkish Cypriots living in or running businesses on Greek Cypriot property might seek to legitimise their ownership of the property by paying the original Greek Cypriot owners for the right to do so. It is hoped that it will encourage Greek Cypriot owners, who have decided they do not want to return to their old homes, to offer selling their properties to the Turkish Cypriot occupants.
Sources at the commission said the authorities would not be available to help Turkish Cypriot applicants locate the Greek Cypriot owners. “Owners and potential buyers will have to find each other and come to us together,” the source said.

Whether or not the commission’s work will be recognised by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) remains to be seen, and although 30-odd cases have been resolved by the commission, the Turkish Cypriot authorities are anxiously awaiting a decision on a recent land exchange ruling by the commission between a Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot Mike Tymvios. According to sources at the commission, a ruling on whether Tymvios’ land swap was, from its point of view, a free and fair exchange is expected in April. The Turkish Cypriot side is also keenly waiting on word from the ECHR on whether resolutions made by the commission truly represent an effective local remedy to property disputes between Greek Cypriot refugees and the Turkish Cypriot authorities.



Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008

[halil]

Ability to sell one's property does not amount to restitution or compensation for the damage of not having access and enjoyment of it for 34 years. The above refers only to the ability to sell the property. There is no reference to people who simply want their property back and to have unfettered access and enjoyment of it.

There is also the other problem. The situation where GCs are "free" to basically divest themselves of their land in the north while TCs remain owners of their land in the south. Another instance of the motto "masters of the north partners in the south" which was the story all along.

In case anyone asks, the RoC is not free to implement a similar plan for TC properties in the south because that would be a violation of TC human rights as it limits their enjoyment of property. And that is another instance of double standards, but we got used to that.

Note- the word enjoyment in legal talk means more than having a party on your land.

Can TCs get there property back today? or do they have to wait and reside in the south 6 months to have the right to apply to GCs courts? You are throwing stones but living in a glass house.

"NO DOUBLE DIPPING ALLOWED"

How can that be the case when the "RoC" does not recognize anything the TRNC does? or does not want to work with our institutions to stop double dipping?

VP, think about it. If the TC's were able to get their properties in the South, or even sell them for a good price, they will be able to take the money out of their properties in the South, while continue living in the properties that belong to the GC's in the North, or even sell those also and move to another country. If all the TC's did this, where is the incentive to look for a solution. It will be more like, "I got mine back and I still got yours". With all the GC properties being bought and sold in the North now is totally meaningless, because at the end of the day, when there is a settlement, every GC owner of their property will be recognised and they will themselves decide on whether to keep it, sell it, or rent it out, even if they have no desires to ever move back to their properties, and the same will be the case with the TC's and their properties in the South, which to my thinking, large majority will not want to move back, and that is just one more reason, as to why I think a True Federation is best all around. The TC's will be in the North and the GC's in the South, and few from each side living in each others back yard in a country called CYPRUS.

Kikapu,
İt was on the Turkish and Greek Cypriots papers other day . That their selling Turkish Cypriots properties in Limassol. Only i can remmember the Turkish called name for the village .İt is called BEŞEVLER. something starts with five in Greek.

Halil,

For a person who works for news station and posts endless amounts of pointless articles for us to read, you could have gotten little bit more information for us to read regarding on selling of TC properties in the South. So, come on Halil, get the information before the afternoon press time ....

Kikapu how about this one .By the way Village name was Pentakomou.

Police investigate land fraud
By Nigel Howarth on Feb 8, 2008 in Cyprus property news

LIMASSOL police have launched a second investigation into a 50-year-old man awaiting trial on charges of fraud, after a 63-year-old pensioner reported he had been swindled out of €5.5 million by the same Limassol contractor.

When Louis Sideras, a repatriated British Cypriot, heard that Andreas Sophocleous was awaiting trial on charges of obtaining money under false pretences, he informed police that he too was a victim of alleged fraud. He accused the 50-year-old of scamming him out of €5.5m.

According to Sideras, the 50-year-old acted as a go-between for Turkish Cypriots living in Australia, Canada and the Netherlands, offering to sell him plots of their land in the Limassol district between June and September of last year.

The pensioner claimed that Sophocleous had presented him with fake documents showing he had power of attorney and title deeds for Turkish Cypriot properties in Polemidia, Zygi, Paramythas, Mesa Yitonias, Pentakomou and Mari with the intention of selling them to him.

Sideras gave over five million euros for the properties, only to find that some of them did not exist. He was alerted to the alleged scam after hearing that Sophocleous was currently in Nicosia Central Prisons, awaiting trial for the charge of obtaining money under false pretences.

According to state broadcaster, CyBC, Sophocleous was arrested last month along with two relatives after a Land Registry official charged him with fraudulently extracting from him over €200,000 for the purchase of Turkish Cypriot properties. His trial date is set for February 22.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008