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[shahmaran]

Very nice description Tess, excellent!

Phoenix you are still avoiding the question and dodging the facts, ridiculous.

I do no need to harp on about anything you say, because there is nothing you say that makes me re question known facts since your arguments (if we can even call them arguments) are so bigoted and so inaccurate that they do absolutely nothing creative and raise no good points. (except for fools like Pansyman and Paliometexo)

You have absolutely no idea about the history of Cyprus, you are stuck with a few horrible childhood memories that you build your every idea up on and follow them to your racist views, but i guess you know all this already, I'm just wasting my time by stating the obvious, but some things are better put out on the open rather then just "known about" quietly.

You still view us as the historical invaders hence why no matter what violence the GC's ever commit it will always be regarded as "defence" since they are fighting "foreigners on their homeland"!

Well there is no limit to the depth of the sick and twisted mentality you hold. I should use this as a signature to remind the world of the kind of mentality we have to deal with on this island but this would further justify the need of a partition, and i know you are a minority even amongst your own people, you are a disgrace for Cyprus and humanity!

In fact you are the epitome of the Cypriot problem!

I have no time for you when I've answered all your questions but you don't like the answers.

You cannot move beyond your recalcitrant position and turn to attacking me instead. I'm not worried nor whining ... just don't have time for irrelevances.

I take it this signals the end of your input ......

...... unless you have some views on anything other than my character.

You have not answered anything Phoenix, you are still dodging and escaping and since others also notice it, meaning i am not alone, no wonder you have no time for anything that would go against everything you believe in, not many people would, it takes a great amount of courage to do so, which i very much doubt you hold.

[purdey]

Maybe standing back and forgetting about emotional issues,this might well be a way forward.

[Oracle]

You have not answered anything Phoenix, you are still dodging and escaping and since others also notice it, meaning i am not alone, no wonder you have no time for anything that would go against everything you believe in, not many people would, it takes a great amount of courage to do so, which i very much doubt you hold.

As I said .... when you don't like my answers ...... you fall back on saying I have not answered. There's no pleasing some people

So long as you and tessinshit are in agreement shah ... that's all that matters. You have allied with the intellectual powerhouse of the forum .... Next stop ..... Bubbles

[shahmaran]

I need not make allies with anyone matey, i dont know anyone here.

And its not that your answers are unsatisfactory, you just simply HAVE NOT answered any of them, i have put forward many questions and all i got back was some shit about the 60s agreement and how the understanding of "defence" in the GC books was to dump DEFENCELESS villages into mass graves, along with some more colorful words, but all of this does not add up to be as worthy as a dried piece of crap on the side of the road.

Come to think of it neither do you.

But if you are OK with your answers on the matter then so am i, i was just hoping maybe you could change my views on you, i admit i was being a little too optimistic.

But it was still worth trying simply to expose you even further.

[Oracle]

I need not make allies with anyone matey, i dont know anyone here.

And its not that your answers are unsatisfactory, you just simply HAVE NOT answered any of them, i have put forward many questions and all i got back was some shit about the 60s agreement and how the understanding of "defence" in the GC books was to dump DEFENCELESS villages into mass graves, along with some more colorful words, but all of this does not add up to be as worthy as a dried piece of crap on the side of the road.

Come to think of it neither do you.

But if you are OK with your answers on the matter then so am i, i was just hoping maybe you could change my views on you, i admit i was being a little too optimistic.

But it was still worth trying simply to expose you even further.

Shah ... why would I have personal experiences on what you are talking about ...... As far as I am concerned you are talking a load of bollocks as usual.

But if you want me to trawl the Internet to find data, dates, numbers, events ...... I am sure I can do that much like everybody else.

You can too. .... so why ask me?

You can look at Turkish links!
And guess what ... I can look at Greek links ...

Then we can compare links ...

But that's not my style.

It's not that I can't give you data ... it's that I won't.

It achieves very little.

You look ... I look.

I am more concerned about reasons, rights and wrongs. Then solutions.

I have my opinions, and that's what I discuss.

That way I refine my views.

You want data for your villages ......... go seek!

[shahmaran]

I don't want data, i just want to hear your opinions, because they are usually so one sided that you totally ignore the "cause and effect" side of things, so every time you blame the Turks for something, i then give you the opposite "cause" or the "effect" but you always ignore it and continue spreading bullshit like you have done nothing and we just HAPPENED to invade Cyprus, and we just HAPPENED to kill everyone, and we just HAPPENED to bury ourselves into mass graves and the island just HAPPENED to be divided by the Turks, and so on.

THATS what I'm talking about, i know exactly what happened here, i have done my homework long time ago from various sources, I'm just curious to know your sources and reasoning behind your racist bollocks, if there is any that is

I think you talk purely out of emotion and grudge, which holds no water in this debate unfortunately, because there will always be someone who has been more hurt then you have and there is no end to it, at least you are lucky to be here to tell the story, not everyone is that lucky.

Yet your "all for defense" excuse was my all time favourite here, keep them coming Phoenix, i am your greatest fan.

[repulsewarrior]

OP, you seem intelligent, and I agree with shah. If you really cared you'd have made your comments to me, i too have said a piece about "blend". ...and i am waiting for you to come inside the kitchen we have, and cook.

my offer of cake half white and half black and blended sits there on a plate for your viewing, with few there to make the lunch when we will all be hungry. i suggest you help me make it better, before serving it to guests, all of you who like to cook as well.

Ms. O, are you that kind of cook who leaves out ingredients from the recipe, or do you help.
iknow iknow, too many cooks spoil the broth, that's what they say, but this is different because we are cypriots, aren't we?, it is the way of everything we get done; we are all family whenever we eat together.


Welcome welcome! all of you, come to eat!

[Oracle]

I don't want data, i just want to hear your opinions, because they are usually so one sided that you totally ignore the "cause and effect" side of things, so every time you blame the Turks for something, i then give you the opposite "cause" or the "effect" but you always ignore it and continue spreading bullshit like you have done nothing and we just HAPPENED to invade Cyprus, and we just HAPPENED to kill everyone, and we just HAPPENED to bury ourselves into mass graves and the island just HAPPENED to be divided by the Turks, and so on.

THATS what I'm talking about, i know exactly what happened here, i have done my homework long time ago from various sources, I'm just curious to know your sources and reasoning behind your racist bollocks, if there is any that is

I think you talk purely out of emotion and grudge, which holds no water in this debate unfortunately, because there will always be someone who has been more hurt then you have and there is no end to it, at least you are lucky to be here to tell the story, not everyone is that lucky.

Yet your "all for defense" excuse was my all time favourite here, keep them coming Phoenix, i am your greatest fan.

Shah ... you admit you can access the data .... I also can access the data.

However, you are way younger than me ... and I have had a whole lot of experiences you have not ... but I do not bash you about your lack of experience.

Unfortunately, I also know there are many GCs that have suffered worse than me ... but because I know how my experience with the Turks has ruined certain aspects of my life ... I can extrapolate and sympathise with the awful, unbearable hurt they must be going through.

But what of you?

You, who was not even born when any of these "interesting" conflicts were being enacted .... what is you alethiometer ... your compass of truth ...

What pushes your buttons...

How do you decide, without personal experience to guide you, what issues to address?

Why are you so angry when you are living in the perfect set-up ... and have never had personal experience of these evil GCs?

At least I know for a fact the Turks were out to kill me .... that's what pushes my button!

So go on shah .... make my day ..... tell me why you are angry?

[Oracle]

OP, you seem intelligent, and I agree with shah. If you really cared you'd have made your comments to me, i too have said a piece about "blend". ...and i am waiting for you to come inside the kitchen we have, and cook.

my offer of cake half white and half black and blended sits there on a plate for your viewing, with few there to make the lunch when we will all be hungry. i suggest you help me make it better, before serving it to guests, all of you who like to cook as well.

Ms. O, are you that kind of cook who leaves out ingredients from the recipe, or do you help.
iknow iknow, too many cooks spoil the broth, that's what they say, but this is different because we are cypriots, aren't we?, it is the way of everything we get done; we are all family whenever we eat together.


Welcome welcome! all of you, come to eat!

RW
I love your comments ... I sample but do not attempt to modify ... with posts.

Your views are essential ... but not necessarily delectable.

I want to blend, to prevent future diversification from the single aim of humankind, which is to enjoy this one life we have on our beautiful planet.

You've caught my attention with food ... my other great passion.

So is your solution ... if we all ate together ... we are less likely to fight together?

Because I think I might agree!

[shahmaran]

I don't want data, i just want to hear your opinions, because they are usually so one sided that you totally ignore the "cause and effect" side of things, so every time you blame the Turks for something, i then give you the opposite "cause" or the "effect" but you always ignore it and continue spreading bullshit like you have done nothing and we just HAPPENED to invade Cyprus, and we just HAPPENED to kill everyone, and we just HAPPENED to bury ourselves into mass graves and the island just HAPPENED to be divided by the Turks, and so on.

THATS what I'm talking about, i know exactly what happened here, i have done my homework long time ago from various sources, I'm just curious to know your sources and reasoning behind your racist bollocks, if there is any that is

I think you talk purely out of emotion and grudge, which holds no water in this debate unfortunately, because there will always be someone who has been more hurt then you have and there is no end to it, at least you are lucky to be here to tell the story, not everyone is that lucky.

Yet your "all for defense" excuse was my all time favourite here, keep them coming Phoenix, i am your greatest fan.

Shah ... you admit you can access the data .... I also can access the data.

However, you are way younger than me ... and I have had a whole lot of experiences you have not ... but I do not bash you about your lack of experience.

Unfortunately, I also know there are many GCs that have suffered worse than me ... but because I know how my experience with the Turks has ruined certain aspects of my life ... I can extrapolate and sympathise with the awful, unbearable hurt they must be going through.

But what of you?

You, who was not even born when any of these "interesting" conflicts were being enacted .... what is you alethiometer ... your compass of truth ...

What pushes your buttons...

How do you decide, without personal experience to guide you, what issues to address?

Why are you so angry when you are living in the perfect set-up ... and have never had personal experience of these evil GCs?

At least I know for a fact the Turks were out to kill me .... that's what pushes my button!

So go on shah .... make my day ..... tell me why you are angry?

Don't get me wrong madam i am far from being angry, i do not need to be angry, even if that's how it comes across to be, lets just blame it on the Internet chat.

On the other hand, yes i am much younger then you and i never claim to know it all, no one does but i believe i am old enough to be able to differentiate good from evil, right from wrong, and from where i am standing you are wrong, never mind the age, it doesn't take a 90 year old wise guy to spot racist tendencies from ones words now does it?

My set up is far from perfect, i was born into a conflict which I'm yet to see the end of but people like you advocate otherwise with total disregard of the innocent by standers here, sweeping us all with the same brush.

Now if i, and everyone else here thought like you did, then there would be no chance for a solution here what so ever, making you a part of the problem and that's a fact!

We would all be perpetuating other peoples grudge and hate to the next generation, i mean just look at Palio, the guy is even younger than me and he is literally out to kill the Turks

Now that's my understanding of right and wrong madam, i can put emotions to a side and search after the right thing to do, can you, with your years of experience and wisdom, say the same thing about yourself?

And don't tell me how much the Turks made you suffer because my family has suffered a LOT and do not hold the same views as you do, and I'm sure they are not the only ones, but you are one of a kind.

So that's one way of looking at it, or you can just continue spreading one sided propaganda as you keep doing, no problem, ill just contradict everything you say as usual, and ill do it with pleasure.

But in reality that makes you look a LOT younger then i am, because it is simply irrational logic pursued by a so called elderly woman.