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[shahmaran]

Very nice description Tess, excellent!

Phoenix you are still avoiding the question and dodging the facts, ridiculous.

I do no need to harp on about anything you say, because there is nothing you say that makes me re question known facts since your arguments (if we can even call them arguments) are so bigoted and so inaccurate that they do absolutely nothing creative and raise no good points. (except for fools like Pansyman and Paliometexo)

You have absolutely no idea about the history of Cyprus, you are stuck with a few horrible childhood memories that you build your every idea up on and follow them to your racist views, but i guess you know all this already, I'm just wasting my time by stating the obvious, but some things are better put out on the open rather then just "known about" quietly.

You still view us as the historical invaders hence why no matter what violence the GC's ever commit it will always be regarded as "defence" since they are fighting "foreigners on their homeland"!

Well there is no limit to the depth of the sick and twisted mentality you hold. I should use this as a signature to remind the world of the kind of mentality we have to deal with on this island but this would further justify the need of a partition, and i know you are a minority even amongst your own people, you are a disgrace for Cyprus and humanity!

In fact you are the epitome of the Cypriot problem!

[purdey]

I though Tess was from UP North (England),with her knowledge of lug worms and alike...

[shahmaran]

PHOENIX, why do you constantly avoid the violence which was equally perpetuated by the GC's and just as equally barbaric?

She doesn't answer any questions like this because she suffers from selective dyslexia, anything that even hints at any GC wrongdoing is totally ignored.
Tess

Tess,

I have often wondered about you with great interest. Here you are, an Irish girl living with your TC partner in the "TRNC" and very often have also adopted the point of views of those living in the "TRNC", as your above post suggests.

Do you realise, that you would be talking differently had you met and lived with a GC partner in the RoC.

Just an observer from a distance.

Come on Kikapu, dont compare everyone to yourself, one does not NEED to be a TC nor affiliated to one, in order to actually see the truth, just like one does not not need to be a TC in order to not see the truth either.

[tessintrnc]

I though Tess was from UP North (England),with her knowledge of lug worms and alike...

I was brought up in Leigh on Sea Essex - which is a small fishing village near Southend on sea, I was raised on cockles and mussells, with the odd winkle thrown in as well !!!

[Kikapu]

Really ....

If "New Orleans" and "Seattle" where as close in proximity as "TC" and "GC" villages would be ..... you will soon see how your system would oscillate out of control.

There's no problem in having Starbucks coffee from Seattle and a Jambalaya dish from New Orleans at your dinner table Oracle.

The truth is, I really don't know what is it, that was in your statement that you were trying to make. One minute you wanted to "blend" and the next minute, you find two different places not to your liking if they are a little different from each other.

A little variety may spice up your life a little Oracle.

Hate Starbucks, love most other things!

This was raised to your point, that everyone is doing well mixing, with total freedom of movement in the USA ... I do not agree with this view.

It is only because the US is so vast that the different people are well placed from each other, hence the Seattle / N.O. analogy.

Due to Cyprus' size, close proximity of people whose differences are highlighted, instead of "blended", would lead to continual problems.

I believe your federal system instead of my "blend" system would keep leading to conflicts. My system is left of yours.

After blending, then we would start to see people's individual differences ...... which are more interesting.

Having lived in California for 25 years, I concider it as my "home state", but I have also travelled to many other states many times and have enjoyed being there, even though I would not chose to leave California for vast majority of other states, even though I'm an American. That is a personal freedom. One stays where they feel comfortable and not forced to. Even more important, no one prevents one from settling where they want to live. There are no conflicts in that. Same would apply in Cyprus. Most TC's will chose to live in the North and most GC's will chose to live in the South, but under a True Federation where every person will be able to make the choice to live where ever the hell they feel comfortable, and so they should. It will be a gradual "blending" that you are talking about. There may never be a complete "blending" as you like but at the end of the day we will all be Cypriots regardless and some will call the North their "home state" and others calling the South their "home state"..

[Oracle]

Very nice description Tess, excellent!

Phoenix you are still avoiding the question and dodging the facts, ridiculous.

I do no need to harp on about anything you say, because there is nothing you say that makes me re question known facts since your arguments (if we can even call them arguments) are so bigoted and so inaccurate that they do absolutely nothing creative and raise no good points. (except for fools like Pansyman and Paliometexo)

You have absolutely no idea about the history of Cyprus, you are stuck with a few horrible childhood memories that you build your every idea up on and follow them to your racist views, but i guess you know all this already, I'm just wasting my time by stating the obvious, but some things are better put out on the open rather then just "known about" quietly.

You still view us as the historical invaders hence why no matter what violence the GC's ever commit it will always be regarded as "defence" since they are fighting "foreigners on their homeland"!

Well there is no limit to the depth of the sick and twisted mentality you hold. I should use this as a signature to remind the world of the kind of mentality we have to deal with on this island but this would further justify the need of a partition, and i know you are a minority even amongst your own people, you are a disgrace for Cyprus and humanity!

In fact you are the epitome of the Cypriot problem!

I have no time for you when I've answered all your questions but you don't like the answers.

You cannot move beyond your recalcitrant position and turn to attacking me instead. I'm not worried nor whining ... just don't have time for irrelevances.

I take it this signals the end of your input ......

...... unless you have some views on anything other than my character.

[tessintrnc]

PHOENIX, why do you constantly avoid the violence which was equally perpetuated by the GC's and just as equally barbaric?

She doesn't answer any questions like this because she suffers from selective dyslexia, anything that even hints at any GC wrongdoing is totally ignored.
Tess

Tess,

I have often wondered about you with great interest. Here you are, an Irish girl living with your TC partner in the "TRNC" and very often have also adopted the point of views of those living in the "TRNC", as your above post suggests.

Do you realise, that you would be talking differently had you met and lived with a GC partner in the RoC.

Just an observer from a distance.

I understand what you are saying Kikapu, but I actually have a sister -in-law who lives in upper Paphos (for almost 18 years now) from whom I learn't a great deal about the Cyprus problem. In past posts you will find that I actually disagree with many of my TC friends regarding the land problem, the selling and disposing of former Greek Cypriot properties etc etc. However, I do accept that if it wasn't for the Turkish
intervention that many, many more Turkish Cypriots would have been slaughtered. Many hundreds were, already living in appalling conditions in enclaves before 1974 "kicked off" as it were. Many Greek Cypriots died after the Turkish troops landed - but then they were facing a professional army, not village men with out-dated rifles and farm implements with which to defend themselves. So lets just say that I will agree to disagree on certain points. But unlike some on the forum - I am not blind or deaf to others experiences and points of view.
Tess

[Kikapu]

PHOENIX, why do you constantly avoid the violence which was equally perpetuated by the GC's and just as equally barbaric?

She doesn't answer any questions like this because she suffers from selective dyslexia, anything that even hints at any GC wrongdoing is totally ignored.
Tess

Tess,

I have often wondered about you with great interest. Here you are, an Irish girl living with your TC partner in the "TRNC" and very often have also adopted the point of views of those living in the "TRNC", as your above post suggests.

Do you realise, that you would be talking differently had you met and lived with a GC partner in the RoC.

Just an observer from a distance.

Come on Kikapu, dont compare everyone to yourself, one does not NEED to be a TC nor affiliated to one, in order to actually see the truth, just like one does not not need to be a TC in order to not see the truth either.

I see things from the point of Right and Wrong Shah. I have no problem stating the truth as I see it. My accusers only complain that I pick only on the "TRNC" and not so much on the RoC, as much as I did before. My accusers are not disproving in what I say, only they don't want to hear in what I say. They do not want to hear the truth, because it is painful for them to do so.

As far as Tess goes, I was just making the observation and making a "quantum leap" on how she would have acted had she meet a GC man and living in the RoC instead.

I still would have made the same comments as I did in my original post to Tess, had she been living in the RoC with a GC partner.

[Kikapu]

PHOENIX, why do you constantly avoid the violence which was equally perpetuated by the GC's and just as equally barbaric?

She doesn't answer any questions like this because she suffers from selective dyslexia, anything that even hints at any GC wrongdoing is totally ignored.
Tess

Tess,

I have often wondered about you with great interest. Here you are, an Irish girl living with your TC partner in the "TRNC" and very often have also adopted the point of views of those living in the "TRNC", as your above post suggests.

Do you realise, that you would be talking differently had you met and lived with a GC partner in the RoC.

Just an observer from a distance.

I understand what you are saying Kikapu, but I actually have a sister -in-law who lives in upper Paphos (for almost 18 years now) from whom I learn't a great deal about the Cyprus problem. In past posts you will find that I actually disagree with many of my TC friends regarding the land problem, the selling and disposing of former Greek Cypriot properties etc etc. However, I do accept that if it wasn't for the Turkish
intervention that many, many more Turkish Cypriots would have been slaughtered. Many hundreds were, already living in appalling conditions in enclaves before 1974 "kicked off" as it were. Many Greek Cypriots died after the Turkish troops landed - but then they were facing a professional army, not village men with out-dated rifles and farm implements with which to defend themselves. So lets just say that I will agree to disagree on certain points. But unlike some on the forum - I am not blind or deaf to others experiences and points of view.
Tess

I'm glad you got what my post was all about Tess, unlike some who took it in a negative way.

Now I'm even more intrigued, that you have a sister-in-law in Paphos and I assume she is a GC and you have a brother who has been living in the RoC for the last 18 years, at least. This would be a great "test-control" to see how your brother sees the whole Cyprus situation with you. Can you get him to come on to the forum by any chance Tess.?

[Oracle]

PHOENIX, why do you constantly avoid the violence which was equally perpetuated by the GC's and just as equally barbaric?

She doesn't answer any questions like this because she suffers from selective dyslexia, anything that even hints at any GC wrongdoing is totally ignored.
Tess

Tess,

I have often wondered about you with great interest. Here you are, an Irish girl living with your TC partner in the "TRNC" and very often have also adopted the point of views of those living in the "TRNC", as your above post suggests.

Do you realise, that you would be talking differently had you met and lived with a GC partner in the RoC.

Just an observer from a distance.

I understand what you are saying Kikapu, but I actually have a sister -in-law who lives in upper Paphos (for almost 18 years now) from whom I learn't a great deal about the Cyprus problem. In past posts you will find that I actually disagree with many of my TC friends regarding the land problem, the selling and disposing of former Greek Cypriot properties etc etc. However, I do accept that if it wasn't for the Turkish
intervention that many, many more Turkish Cypriots would have been slaughtered. Many hundreds were, already living in appalling conditions in enclaves before 1974 "kicked off" as it were. Many Greek Cypriots died after the Turkish troops landed - but then they were facing a professional army, not village men with out-dated rifles and farm implements with which to defend themselves. So lets just say that I will agree to disagree on certain points. But unlike some on the forum - I am not blind or deaf to others experiences and points of view.
Tess

I'm glad you got what my post was all about Tess, unlike some who took it in a negative way.

Now I'm even more intrigued, that you have a sister-in-law in Paphos and I assume she is a GC and you have a brother who has been living in the RoC for the last 18 years, at least. This would be a great "test-control" to see how your brother sees the whole Cyprus situation with you. Can you get him to come on to the forum by any chance Tess.?

Of paramount importance is distinguishing between right and wrong.

The difficulty of doing this is not fully appreciated by some. By merely asserting that they see both sides, and have acquaintances from both sides, they desire this to suffice.

Accepting our limitations as humans to actually carrying out this monumental task, prevents some of us from fighting causes merely to antagonise those who have emotional issues with erring towards airing one point of view above another.

I would love to join a Chinese forum and berate the Chinese for what they have done to Tibet ... I too have friends from both sides ... but my limitations would be such, that I would be serving very little purpose other than feeling high and mighty ......